MUTGR Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 http://mutigers.ocsn.com/sports/m-baskbl/s.../072203aaa.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 about time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_arete Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 with this issue. I thought AD Mike Alden had set up a committee consisting of athletic and non-athletic members to deal with disciplinary issues such as Clemons. I know I'm in the minority and will catch flak for this, but I'm sad to see Clemons go. Hopefully, he'll learn from his mistakes and somehow turn this sad chapter into a happy ending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 >with this issue. I thought AD Mike Alden had set up a >committee consisting of athletic and non-athletic members to >deal with disciplinary issues such as Clemons. I know I'm >in the minority and will catch flak for this, but I'm sad to >see Clemons go. Hopefully, he'll learn from his mistakes >and somehow turn this sad chapter into a happy ending. And this is the same guy who recently went on a witch hunt about SLU over stuff that never happened! "Sad to see Clemons go." I wonder if you would've felt that way if it was your daughter? What a fool! The entire Clemons affair from his recruitment until his last hooray at the President's pad is a disgrace. Maybe Ricky has time now to go back and get his high school dimploma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I didn't read the link, so I may be shooting from the hip here. But, I wonder if Ricky Bad Boy would have been released had he not hurt himself in an ATV accident? Just a thought. Mizzery hoops is starting to leave a very sour taste in my mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 aj, if it was an isolated one time mistake on clemons part, that is one thing. i am all for second chances. but this kid's history is full of "second chances". he should never have been brought to missouri in the first place. a dose of reality might be the only thing that wakes this kid up and the fact he now has virtually nothing waiting for him when he gets out of jail maybe it will finally now come to hit him. if missouri really cared about him, they could kick him off the basketball team but allow him to complete a degree. i would have been nothing but impressed with a gesture like that. sadly there is no mention of any such act in the press release. seems to me that ultimately missouri was only interested in ricky clemons the jump shooter, not ricky clemons the troubled youth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 starting? your palate is much more discriminating than mine! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 You've hated Missouri for a long time, even without the shenanigans in recent years. Other than the arrogance of some Missouri fans, what ever did Mizzou do to you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_arete Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 If Quin Snyder had the ultimate say, then I'd say Ricky is still there. However, there has been increasing pressure from the public, faculty, and administration to rid themselves of Ricky. We'll see if Ricky Clemons has this smoking gun that you've suggested he held. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I don't know if Roy has ever suggested that Ricky Clemons has some dirt on Missouri and its recruitment of him or not, but there are quite a few posters on tigerboard (Mizzou fans) who've been throwing that idea around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwd789 Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Alden adresses that issue in this article. http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascitystar/6359104.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Wow ... this is a telling passage from the KC article: "Missouri fans can only hope that there are no further revelations in the Clemons sage, one which included his receiving 24 college credit hours last summer, just prior to transferring to MU from the College of Southern Idaho. "I have been assured, by Quin and Lane Odom, that there are no situations out there," Alden said of any concerns that Clemons might have information involving his recruitment that would be of interest to the NCAA." Let me augment Alden's quote ..... "Let me assure you that if Quin and Lane's assurances go south, so too shall they." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Not a bad thought, aj ... however, screw public pressure .... you dismissed the kid from representing the university in a public venue. That's enough as far as public pressure is concerned. If you did truly care about him, I think you let him keep the scholarship and get his degree. They cut him loose hook, line and sinker. Even if he had his 'ship for this one year,as Alden said it can't even be used anyway, I'm willing to bet he'd flunk out or decline it anyway. Can't see this guy hanging too, too close to the place where it all ended. Besides, I'm sure he's the next Jordan as well ...... They;ve tried to end this association with a cleaver. Sounds like the internet is full of rumors of Ricky cleaving them back. Don't believe such an issue would be out of character for him. Just out of curisoity .... where is this guy from originally? I know it can't be Idaho. Just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I also feel sorry for Rickey. The only good thing in his life was basketball. That said he had no business going to MU in the first place. His admitance was a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I can't speak for Roy, but allow me to weigh in on why I have a dislike for Mizzou sports. First of all, my Dad doesn't like Mizzou, so he passed that on to me at a young age. As I have grown up I have been built up that dislike myself, and probably the biggest reason is the arrogance of Mizzou fans who say that since SLU is not as athletically strong as Mizzou, SLU is worthless and deserves no respect(sometimes they also add that since Mizzou is better athletically and that since SLU isn't at the Ivy League level or Wash. U's level, there is no reason for SLU to be given any respect or interest). Let me add one disclaimer though: This dislike is directed at Mizzou Athletics. I have family members who have gone to Mizzou who are very good, caring people who represent the University of Missouri well. Also, some of my classmates at DeSmet who went to Mizzou are good, upstanding human beings. It just is unfortunate that I can't say the same thing about everyone I know who is affiliated with the University of Missouri. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_arete Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 If memory serves me correctly, I believe he's just outside of Charlotte. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 He squarely put all of the blame (if there is any blame to be had) on Quin's shoulders if something does come up. Speaking hypothetically, if something did come out, he would have little choice but to discipline or even fire Quin, since it would mean that Quin flat-out lied to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 If there is any dirt, and I'm not saying there is, Clemmons effectively hold's Quin's job in his hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 thicks said, "Other than the arrogance of some Missouri fans, what ever did Mizzou do to you?" that's enough to justify my hatred right there. all those years of putdowns and refusal to play us. that's enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 I don't see how any body should think Mizzou should keep this guy on any sort of scholarship. He probably never deserved or should have gotten the opportunity to be there in the first place. He is an adult, responsible for his own actions. He was given an incredible opportunity that you or could not have gotten, based soley on his athletic ability. He screwed up and then lied about it. He was given another chance and lied to the school about his permission to be at the party. Sorry but I believe he needs to accept his well deserved release .... shut up and try to get his life on track. He has had enough chances Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 i thought it was extremely interesting that clemons refused to meet with alden face to face to discuss the matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 never underestimate the power of the insurance of having two extremely close boosters that are two of the richest men in the world. we will never hear a word. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted July 22, 2003 Share Posted July 22, 2003 Wow. It doesn't look like Alden is willing to go down with the ship if the USS Mizzou happened to spring a leak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 i agree. that one statement puts the spotlight on snyder and odom should clemons explode. the fact alden saw fit to make that statement imo speaks volumes. he has clearly drawn a line that would save his own a$$ and put all blame squarely on pretty q and odom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted July 23, 2003 Share Posted July 23, 2003 nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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