billiken_roy Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 minute ago, wgstl said: I don't see anything happening to her, she would have to step down. shows how bad the conference presidents and athletic directors are if they are satisfied with what has happened to the conference. no excuse.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 3 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: shows how bad the conference presidents and athletic directors are if they are satisfied with what has happened to the conference. no excuse.. At a time as fragile as now, one would think strides would be essential- Loychi was an improvement, but still a lot more to do. There was a tweet out the other day tha a D1 conf( cant remember which) is telling teams they have to carry a certain NET ranking or they will be penalized. I've always thought if we're not gonna cut ties with a school, they have to be forced to improve. WVBilliken and billiken_roy like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Personally think we should be focused on internal improvement of SLU, and not worried about the conference as a whole. Even with a stronger A-10, the last two years wouldn’t have led to bids. Internal performance, and department expectations, are a way bigger concern right now. bauman, stmdragons and Bizziken like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 23 minutes ago, wgstl said: At a time as fragile as now, one would think strides would be essential- Loychi was an improvement, but still a lot more to do. There was a tweet out the other day tha a D1 conf( cant remember which) is telling teams they have to carry a certain NET ranking or they will be penalized. I've always thought if we're not gonna cut ties with a school, they have to be forced to improve. Loyola brought down the conference NET/RPI/all rankings significantly in year 1. I wouldn't call it an improvement in any realm except having a program a little bit closer to St. Louis. Bizziken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, wgstl said: St Joes may be the best team... not a joke. Too early to tell, in my opinion. Rosters still are far from set. St Joes will be improved, but Duquesne, St. B, and VCU will be tough. We still need one solid BIG piece to be in the fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 22 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Too early to tell, in my opinion. Rosters still are far from set. St Joes will be improved, but Duquesne, St. B, and VCU will be tough. We still need one solid BIG piece to be in the fight. We have way too many unknowns to go into the season will an expectation of being anything even slightly higher than 6th. I do not see us getting a big much better that what we have, and unless we do, it doesn't look all that promising. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 33 minutes ago, JMM28 said: Loyola brought down the conference NET/RPI/all rankings significantly in year 1. I wouldn't call it an improvement in any realm except having a program a little bit closer to St. Louis. ya I mean this year sucked, but already they will be so much more improved next year, and they've had a lot of success recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 59 minutes ago, HoosierPal said: Too early to tell, in my opinion. Rosters still are far from set. St Joes will be improved, but Duquesne, St. B, and VCU will be tough. We still need one solid BIG piece to be in the fight. VCU, the flagship program, being down is going to be an unmitigated disaster. We are solidifying as a one-bid-league. Anyone wanting to seriously compete should be looking to jump ship(Dayton and VCU are standouts to be trying to get out of this nightmare) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Just now, Soderball said: VCU, the flagship program, being down is going to be an unmitigated disaster. We are solidifying as a one-bid-league. Anyone wanting to seriously compete should be looking to jump ship(Dayton and VCU are standouts to be trying to get out of this nightmare) VCU will not be down, they improved with the coaching hire. But really, all it did was separate us from the top even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, johnbj14 said: Personally think we should be focused on internal improvement of SLU, and not worried about the conference as a whole. Even with a stronger A-10, the last two years wouldn’t have led to bids. Internal performance, and department expectations, are a way bigger concern right now. you dont know that. if the conference net was stronger, the A-10 would get multiple at large bids. there have been years where we got 4 bids. we finished in the top 4 this past season. so it goes without saying a stronger conference with the same billiken finish might have garnered a bid. none of the big power conferences want to play us, so the only answer is to make the conference stronger to improve our profile. the fact the a-10 has collectively went backwards is unacceptable and the end result affects the entire conference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, Soderball said: VCU, the flagship program, being down is going to be an unmitigated disaster. We are solidifying as a one-bid-league. Anyone wanting to seriously compete should be looking to jump ship(Dayton and VCU are standouts to be trying to get out of this nightmare) It is too early to talk preseason polls, but you need to look at who VCU is bringing in. They have two starters from Utah State's At Large NCAA team, both who averaged double figures, Kuany Kuany-whom we had interest in, Joe Bamisile (if he gets a waiver), and two others. Ray Odom is a pretty decent coach. They will be one of the top tier A10 teams and will not be an "unmitigated disaster". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 1 hour ago, billiken_roy said: you dont know that. if the conference net was stronger, the A-10 would get multiple at large bids. there have been years where we got 4 bids. we finished in the top 4 this past season. so it goes without saying a stronger conference with the same billiken finish might have garnered a bid. none of the big power conferences want to play us, so the only answer is to make the conference stronger to improve our profile. the fact the a-10 has collectively went backwards is unacceptable and the end result affects the entire conference. The Billikens need to win more games, period. Good A-10, bad A-10, the current level of success for SLU isn’t enough. The team the last two seasons has not had enough to truly be an at-large candidate. 25 regular season wins has to be the benchmark. If we’re still missing the tournament and hitting that mark? Then it’s time to focus on the conference. CenHudDude and willie like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy II Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 -I agree that the first order of business needs to be win, win a lot more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 17 hours ago, johnbj14 said: The Billikens need to win more games, period. Good A-10, bad A-10, the current level of success for SLU isn’t enough. The team the last two seasons has not had enough to truly be an at-large candidate. 25 regular season wins has to be the benchmark. If we’re still missing the tournament and hitting that mark? Then it’s time to focus on the conference. 25 is a little unrealistic for a benchmark. 22/23 sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbj14 Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 12 minutes ago, wgstl said: 25 is a little unrealistic for a benchmark. 22/23 sure. Maybe benchmark was not the best word. 25 wins should be the goal. 22/23 wins keeps the program in this weird zone it’s in right now: possibly NIT team, but definitely not NCAA Tournament caliber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 28 minutes ago, johnbj14 said: Maybe benchmark was not the best word. 25 wins should be the goal. 22/23 wins keeps the program in this weird zone it’s in right now: possibly NIT team, but definitely not NCAA Tournament caliber. the difference is if 23 is the benchmark currently, Ford is on the hot seat because he fell below that. That said, After lookin at it by year, 24 is the goal. 24 would have been enough to get us there in 19/20 and 21/22. meaning you will get in more times than not with 24 wins. johnbj14 likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 35 minutes ago, wgstl said: the difference is if 23 is the benchmark currently, Ford is on the hot seat because he fell below that. That said, After lookin at it by year, 24 is the goal. 24 would have been enough to get us there in 19/20 and 21/22. meaning you will get in more times than not with 24 wins. Number of wins is not the issue - 24 wins with no signature ones will still leave you looking from the outside. Bottom line is Ford has yet to put any season together here that will get us in the dance and a NIT does nothing for me given how he has bumbled each of his trips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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