cheeseman Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Cheese, I know for a fact that it is not because of his English. Ok, all I am going by is what I heard RM say once this year but maybe he was not telling it all. I understand now that Nolan is a Jr. so why are people saying sign him so he can help next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I wish we could expect more from cory.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Ken R Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Really, are you saying he did not sign in the fall? He is in his junior year of high school. Could not have signed a LOI yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 This will be a good opportunity for RM to find an assistant who could open up a new recruiting pipeline. RM seems to have a lot of connections in Minn, Wi., Chicago and we've been active in Indianapolis. Whitesell also helps cover Chicago and apparently helped sway Carter our way. Harriman has the international thing, which BTW, is it time to land another one from Down Under for 2013? I would like to see us add an assistant with East Coast connections.Being in the A-10, I think that would make some sense. As we have more success, we will become more attractive. Xavier has been able to get some East Coast players over the years. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 i was positive about the program long before soderberg came to town. i am on record as stating i think romar and spoon and grawer were all three better for the program than soderberg. i am not negative about "THE PROGRAM". I admit i am negative about rickma. but not the program or the student athletes or saint louis university. you are probably right that is in conflict with scoldings i handed out prior to majerus coming to town. that's a shame that rickma has changed my overall everything is billiken blue attitude. oh well. at least i remain a fan, and i remain a booster of everything not rickma. i will continue to act the same until rickma changes his ways or leaves. i am planning to be a saint louis university booster long after he has left town. so i keep buying my tickets. i keep donating my money. i keep supporting the student athletes. i assume you are doing it all as well right Acey? Well, good. I'm glad you have finally admitted that you have not been consistent on this and that was my point. I just don't see how being so vocally critical of the coach on a message board is helping the program. The coach and "the program" are connected. We all know how you feel about him. No coach is above criticism, but why continue with the same criticisms (many of which are just of a personal nature and have nothing to do with bball) over and over? I'm sure potential recruits and their families stumble onto this board. I would think even you could recognize that success by RM could certainly help set the program up for more success for the next coach. If this coach fails, it could set the program way back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 -hopefully this one is now ended, until the next one in approx two weeks -although kudos to ace for getting roy to admit his 180 degree change (what is lost is how the hiring of a coach can make that change ok) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Well, good. I'm glad you have finally admitted that you have not been consistent on this and that was my point. I just don't see how being so vocally critical of the coach on a message board is helping the program. The coach and "the program" are connected. We all know how you feel about him. No coach is above criticism, but why continue with the same criticisms (many of which are just of a personal nature and have nothing to do with bball) over and over? I'm sure potential recruits and their families stumble onto this board. I would think even you could recognize that success by RM could certainly help set the program up for more success for the next coach. If this coach fails, it could set the program way back. when it fits the discussion i will bring it up everytime. deal with it acey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 btw acey, if it is bad that i did a 180 turn, i assume in hindsight you now are admitting you were terribly wrong in your criticism's in the soderberg days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 when it fits the discussion i will bring it up everytime. deal with it acey. ... and plenty of times when it doesn't fit the discussion. I won't always have to "deal with" because there is growing number of people to call out your b.s. like we saw earlier in this thread. Onward Majerus brigade... defeat the last of Sodie's soldiers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 ... and plenty of times when it doesn't fit the discussion. I won't always have to "deal with" because there is growing number of people to call out your b.s. like we saw earlier in this thread. Onward Majerus brigade... defeat the last of Sodie's soldiers! acey come on, you need to now admit you were wrong when you were negative towards our coach back in the day. come on. say it. you were wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 btw acey, if it is bad that i did a 180 turn, i assume in hindsight you now are admitting you were terribly wrong in your criticism's in the soderberg days? roy, YOU were the one who preached that it was a bad idea to be negative about our coach during the Sodie era, not me. I have been consistent, not you. I was right on the money, when I questioned why Sodie was "saving scholarships" while there were gaping holes on the roster. I was also correct in questioning why for several years Luke Meyer was our best option at the 4 and why Dwayne Polk was not only our starting point guard, but our only true point guard on the roster. It was never personal with Sodie, just questioning his inability to recruit after he signed TL and KL. When myself and others would raise some of these issues, that is when you would lecture us about how it wasn't good for us to be negative about the coach, as fans we should be ambassadors, etc. It turns out you didn't truly believe that principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 roy, YOU were the one who preached that it was a bad idea to be negative about our coach during the Sodie era, not me. I have been consistent, not you. I was right on the money, when I questioned why Sodie was "saving scholarships" while there were gaping holes on the roster. I was also correct in questioning why for several years Luke Meyer was our best option at the 4 and why Dwayne Polk was not only our starting point guard, but our only true point guard on the roster. It was never personal with Sodie, just questioning his inability to recruit after he signed TL and KL. When myself and others would raise some of these issues, that is when you would lecture us about how it wasn't good for us to be negative about the coach, as fans we should be ambassadors, etc. It turns out you didn't truly believe that principle. Quit feeding the troll, Ace. On any other subject my previous statement would be unfair.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 roy, YOU were the one who preached that it was a bad idea to be negative about our coach during the Sodie era, not me. I have been consistent, not you. I was right on the money, when I questioned why Sodie was "saving scholarships" while there were gaping holes on the roster. I was also correct in questioning why for several years Luke Meyer was our best option at the 4 and why Dwayne Polk was not only our starting point guard, but our only true point guard on the roster. It was never personal with Sodie, just questioning his inability to recruit after he signed TL and KL. When myself and others would raise some of these issues, that is when you would lecture us about how it wasn't good for us to be negative about the coach, as fans we should be ambassadors, etc. It turns out you didn't truly believe that principle. so let me get this straight, it is ok for you to be negative, but not me? sounds a little double standard. if you dont want to take back your negativity, i sure wont either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Well, we had a pretty decent thread going here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Well, we had a pretty decent thread going here. If only this were a bit more like your battle with MB73. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 If only this were a bit more like your battle with MB73. Ha! Well played, Ace. But let's be honest, is it really a battle when one side gets beaten down so often? I kid, i kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 so let me get this straight, it is ok for you to be negative, but not me? sounds a little double standard. if you dont want to take back your negativity, i sure wont either. I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to grasp. The idea that the board should all focus on the positive was YOUR guiding principle, not mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 I'm not sure why this is so difficult for you to grasp. The idea that the board should all focus on the positive was YOUR guiding principle, not mine. i dont know why this is so difficult for you to grasp. you attack me for being negative whenever i point out rickma's negatives and use the same rationale i used those years ago. so you need to admit you were wrong to be negative all those years ago or else i should be free to be negative all i want now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 i dont know why this is so difficult for you to grasp. you attack me for being negative whenever i point out rickma's negatives and use the same rationale i used those years ago. so you need to admit you were wrong to be negative all those years ago or else i should be free to be negative all i want now. It's kind of Rumsfeldian. There are false negatives and true negatives...........Guess which are which....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Did you not see WR asked to be subbed after running the court less than ten times. I certainly wouldn't say he had the energy of BC. Passion can be deemed a few ways - one of them as doing what it takes off the court to play on the court.I wouldn't equate energy with endurance or stamina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted February 6, 2012 Share Posted February 6, 2012 Back to the subject, we need a real intimidating inside big man, we never get them. Ironically, we need someone like Yancy Gates, my favorite thug, to make our team whole this year and next year. They cannot get into SLU or if they do, they do not last. Next year, Manning and Glaze? I hope so, but you have to show me. Last yr at this time, everyone said Barnett was the next Jimmer. Broy is correct that many posters have gone over the top in their criticism of Cassity. They never stop. Those people are pathetic. BUT he should not have named those two individuals in the ridiculous discussion about making room for a big. (real funny, Ace) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Something no one has mentioned is that our coaching staff should be much more stable this summer than last summer. Last summer we had Moser leaving, Jensen leaving, and Rick dealing with his mother's death. Having all our coaches around this summer can only help our player development.The coaches aren't allowed to work with the players during the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 The coaches aren't allowed to work with the players during the summer. -at all? i thought they could do individual or up to three players at a time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 -at all? i thought they could do individual or up to three players at a time? I'm not really sure, but you know there are ways around that. Crews is only supposed to be helping out for this year so he could technically work with the big guys since he wouldn't be a coach. Not saying it's right, but it happens. Based on what I've seen from Manning (which isn't much) he seems really mechanical when he's out there. If he can get more comfortable out there and really learn the offense, I think he'll be really good. I had to get to the game 4 hours early on Saturday and I saw Glaze working on post moves with the coaches. They seem like the really want him to be able to contribute next year. Jared Drew is supposed to be pretty good. He's 6'6 with a 6'10 wingspan. From what I've heard, he's a better shooter than Dwayne. (I agree with whoever said Dwayne needs to shoot a ton of shots this summer (free throws included)) I actually think he'll get a little bit of time next year. He could be at the 3 and Dwayne could be at the 4 in some lineup decisions. I don't really like Dwayne at the 4, but it could happen. A side note on Dwayne, he's a good rebounder but I notice that he likes to tip the ball to himself sometimes and sometimes it goes out of bounds or someone else grabs it. I remember one time in the Dayton game where KM got upset with Dwayne telling him to just grab the ball. It sounds like Keith Carter is a stud. I see Kwamain really mentoring him next year. Not sure how much he'll play with all the guards we have. Either him or JB will probably get Cassity type minutes next year. (the minutes that he's played recently) I hope JB can contribute next year. He still has the best looking shot in warmups and practice, but that hasn't translated to the game much. He'll need to really work hard this offseason. McCall and Jordair just continue to get better. We're going to have a great backcourt for a long time. Yes we're going to have a very good team next year, but we at least need a threat in the paint. I hope Manning or Glaze can do that. Rob and Cody can get better in the post but their game will always be from the perimeter I think. Not sure if Cory is going to develop into the player we hoped for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Pelican Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I wouldn't equate energy with endurance or stamina. It's like the difference between a roman candle (BC) and a bottle rocket (WR). His energy was a short, quick burst that didn't last long. I will say that the dude can tweet like no other which translates into serious energy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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