Bobby Metzinger Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Driving from Dallas to St. Louis today and stopped off at a Choctaw casino in BFO to collect my thoughts from last night and it is clear that Kyle Cassity needs to find some pine the rest of the way out. I'm sure the kid loves his Mom and Jesus and all that, but he need to love winning games for Saint Louis University first and foremost. Where is the desire? Chime in folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbizzle09 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Mods - Please ban Bobby Metzinger immediately for his continued assault on a deceased member of the equine species. His constant abuse to the remains of said horse not only disrupts it from being able to rest in peace, but is totally against the principles of the Jesuit faith and and the institution of Saint Louis University. I feel an example should be made of this particular poster. May the everlasting love and peace of Jesus be with all of you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Driving from Dallas to St. Louis today and stopped off at a Choctaw casino in BFO to collect my thoughts from last night and it is clear that Kyle Cassity needs to find some pine the rest of the way out. I'm sure the kid loves his Mom and Jesus and all that, but he need to love winning games for Saint Louis University first and foremost. Where is the desire? Chime in folks. After Remekun, he's got to be the player who has frustrated me the most this year. He's a senior, and it's time for him to step it up if he wants to make it to the big dance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamminJamalJohnson Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Driving from Dallas to St. Louis today and stopped off at a Choctaw casino in BFO to collect my thoughts from last night and it is clear that Kyle Cassity needs to find some pine the rest of the way out. I'm sure the kid loves his Mom and Jesus and all that, but he need to love winning games for Saint Louis University first and foremost. Where is the desire? Chime in folks. You are an idiot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 After Remekun, he's got to be the player who has frustrated me the most this year. He's a senior, and it's time for him to step it up if he wants to make it to the big dance. Cory only a junior. But I agree, at the beginning of the season when we played in Anaheim, I thought he maybe be good for 10-15 minutes of some quality time on the floor. Give us some defensive stops with some blocks, neutralize our opponents big man, maybe a few garbage points and be able to nail free throws. Lately, watching the UNM and UD game he has (other then maybe the FTs) come painfully short. He needs to bump up his game because if the season continues with him being a TO machine, give the nod to JM and see how he does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Driving from Dallas to St. Louis today and stopped off at a Choctaw casino in BFO to collect my thoughts from last night and it is clear that Kyle Cassity needs to find some pine the rest of the way out. I'm sure the kid loves his Mom and Jesus and all that, but he need to love winning games for Saint Louis University first and foremost. Where is the desire? Chime in folks.I don't know how to say this but, I AGREE WITH METZ!!! We cannot aford to play 4 against 5 when Cassity is on the floor. He refuses to shoot open shoots and no longer has a desire to drive to the hoop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I don't know if Mr. Metzinger is an idiot or not, but I don't see anything wrong with this post. He's right. Cassity has shown in the past that he's better than what he's been giving lately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If the Dayton announcers could tell the difference between Kyle and Cody, Kyle's name would not have been mentioned outside of the starting lineups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If the Dayton announcers could tell the difference between Kyle and Cody, Kyle's name would not have been mentioned outside of the starting lineups. They had me scratching my head on that as well, Brich. Sorry, but I've got to agree with Metz on KC. It's been 4 years of the same. What I can't get over is if you go back and look at those '76 games he was an entirely different player. I know RM didn't tell him not to take the open shot, so it falls on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Others have pointed out these very same facts about KC and CR in other threads. The reality remains true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Others have pointed out these very same facts about KC and CR in other threads. The reality remains true. I'd actually throw out KM as the most disappointing player so far. Outside of his 2 (or 3?) steals...he was brutal last night. The way he played the last 1:56 of regulation left A LOT to be desired. The way he was jacking up shots and turning the ball over he looked like TL III Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Maybe bench KM and KC for the GW game? We should be able to win that one with out them....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RB2.0 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Keep KC on the team but do not let him play anything other than garbage minutes. We are playing 4 on 5 when he's out there. Unlike KC, we NEED KM to play well to make noise in the conference. I do not believe we can afford to bench KM and have any success this year. He needs to man up, plain and simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusakAttack Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'd actually throw out KM as the most disappointing player so far. Outside of his 2 (or 3?) steals...he was brutal last night. The way he played the last 1:56 of regulation left A LOT to be desired. The way he was jacking up shots and turning the ball over he looked like TL IIIMost disappointing? I'm not gonna give you that one. He certainly hasn't been back to how he left after his second season but he is still the second best player on the team behind Conklin. Without him taking over we would have lost to a D2 school. His assists have been huge so far. I'll give you that he hasn't been unguardable or brilliant which we all expected from him, but he is still the floor general of this team. Yes he had a off night last night. Cassity has had more off nights this year than on nights. He is a waste on the floor at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 mitchell was the most disappointing player on the floor last night imo. too many missed shots, definitely outplayed by retread siu player. stupid fouls. cassity is what he is. no one ever promised he was going to be an offensive jaugernaut. he plays solid defense, doesnt make mistakes. currently he is 25th in the nation in assists to turnover ratio. i guarantee you if kyle wasnt doing what he is supposed to be doing, he wouldnt be playing considering we have plenty of guards with skills. to make the statement he should be benched or even more outrageously cut/released is crazy talk. we should be thrilled we have at least one player that consistently keeps his cool, runs the plays, plays the game. you can leap to the contention that jett or mccall would be so much better, mccall got burned on drives to the basket last night more than anyone but mitchell. jett doesnt appear can shoot beyond 4 feet. games like last night are won by your stars. as much as i love what mitchell and conklin have done this year, last night combined they shot bad, had terrible fouls and terrible decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHEESE Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Brian Daly's hands: Remove towel; Insert Ball. Problem solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 mitchell was the most disappointing player on the floor last night imo. too many missed shots, definitely outplayed by retread siu player. stupid fouls. cassity is what he is. no one ever promised he was going to be an offensive jaugernaut. he plays solid defense, doesnt make mistakes. currently he is 25th in the nation in assists to turnover ratio. i guarantee you if kyle wasnt doing what he is supposed to be doing, he wouldnt be playing considering we have plenty of guards with skills. to make the statement he should be benched or even more outrageously cut/released is crazy talk. we should be thrilled we have at least one player that consistently keeps his cool, runs the plays, plays the game. you can leap to the contention that jett or mccall would be so much better, mccall got burned on drives to the basket last night more than anyone but mitchell. jett doesnt appear can shoot beyond 4 feet. games like last night are won by your stars. as much as i love what mitchell and conklin have done this year, last night combined they shot bad, had terrible fouls and terrible decisions. Hasn't the part in bold already been proven false? I don't feel like doing the research, but I'm fairly certain that Moytoy, Skip, or B.hayes showed that Jett was shooting a fine percentage on non-layups. My bad if I am wrong. And I totally agree with you on KM & BC. They had to be the team's leaders last night and they completely failed. Looked liked KM just wanted to go 1 v. 1 with Dillard and Conklin missed way too many easy shots. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusakAttack Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 mitchell was the most disappointing player on the floor last night imo. too many missed shots, definitely outplayed by retread siu player. stupid fouls. cassity is what he is. no one ever promised he was going to be an offensive jaugernaut. he plays solid defense, doesnt make mistakes. currently he is 25th in the nation in assists to turnover ratio. i guarantee you if kyle wasnt doing what he is supposed to be doing, he wouldnt be playing considering we have plenty of guards with skills. to make the statement he should be benched or even more outrageously cut/released is crazy talk. we should be thrilled we have at least one player that consistently keeps his cool, runs the plays, plays the game. you can leap to the contention that jett or mccall would be so much better, mccall got burned on drives to the basket last night more than anyone but mitchell. jett doesnt appear can shoot beyond 4 feet. games like last night are won by your stars. as much as i love what mitchell and conklin have done this year, last night combined they shot bad, had terrible fouls and terrible decisions. running the offense and getting an open look and then passing it to someone who is guarded is not running the play imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 running the offense and getting an open look and then passing it to someone who is guarded is not running the play imo how much you want to bet that majerus tells probably most if not all the first open three look you get is not the time to shoot it. he was furious with both mitchell and evans last night when they each took a very quick open three in the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HusakAttack Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 how much you want to bet that majerus tells probably most if not all the first open three look you get is not the time to shoot it. he was furious with both mitchell and evans last night when they each took a very quick open three in the second half.he passed up good shots late in the shot clock too...c'mon roy you saw the same game I did. Nobody really played well for the Bills last night but this isn't the first time Cassity has folded in big games. He is a good shooter too which is what kills me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Cassity has had too many defensive lapses this year and imo has seemed even more reluctant to shoot or drive. At some point he has to begin to take what the defense gives him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccarthyirish7 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 how much you want to bet that majerus tells probably most if not all the first open three look you get is not the time to shoot it. he was furious with both mitchell and evans last night when they each took a very quick open three in the second half. That's not the case (unless it's ill advised or not a great look). He has repeatedly told Cassity to shoot the ball when's he open. He even said in public during an interview that when Kyle isn't allowed to shoot, I'll tell him....otherwise, if he's open he has to shoot and quit over-passing it. I'm paraphrasing this, but he wants and we all need Kyle to shoot...he's probably the best pure jump shooter on the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 A few stats 2010-2011 He shot the ball once every 4.40 minutes, shot a f/t once every 23 minutes and shot 3 - 2 pt fg's per game 2011-2012 He has shot the ball once every 6.21 minutes, shot a f/t once every 93 minutes and has shot 1.2 2 pt fg's per game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 look, while i am majerus' biggest detractor, i have always admitted he is a very good x's and o's basketball coach. if rickma thinks kyle cassity should get the minutes he is getting considering he has jett and mccall there to step in, by gosh, you got to believe he knows what is best. to vehemently insist cassity has to go is nothing short of attacking majerus coaching imo. there obviously are short comings to mccall and jett that are greater than the reluctance of kyle cassity to shoot. again, i am extremely p!ssed about last night's outcome as well. but cassity isnt at the top of my list of blame. he is part of it as i agree his numbers from last night cant be defended beyond he didnt make any mistakes. but there are others that can be blamed a hell of a lot more. last night was a team loss. they didnt shoot well. the bigs really did a bad job. they made the dayton stiffs look pretty darn good. my gosh, the lack of hustle by all the bigs not named conklin last night defending the back court picks was horrible. i think remeken and loe and ellis all got beat at least twice not hustling back after the initial jump out on the pick. some of the passes were just beyond explanation. i mean not even close. and those came from mitchell and jett. we missed way too many free throws. does no good for evans and conklin to make those drives to the basket to get contact if they cant make the free throws. and last, if everyone wants to blame cassity, then you got to blame the coaches that put him out there for 27 minutes. forget it and move on. the good news is that xu stumbled as well. so it's one less game they have to overcome on them. the bad news is it appears temple is real good. better than i expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Cassity has had too many defensive lapses this year and imo has seemed even more reluctant to shoot or drive. At some point he has to begin to take what the defense gives him +1 I said it early on and I'll say it again. Cassity gets burned one-on-one. His off-the-ball defense is good; he 'gets' it from an X and O standpoint. But when a good 2 or 3 from another team takes it right at him, he's helpless. I appreciate KC's A:TO ratio. However, when taken in the larger context, to me this is just the sign of a kid still terrified to take any chances. In 27 minutes last night, he had 0 points, 1 attempt, 1 rebound, 2 steals, 1 TO, and 2 fouls. That's mind boggling. Let's dig deeper... -Cassity has 4 FT attempts this year. 4. He is a starter. That 4 is not a typo. -In the past 6 games, Cassity has 10 points. He has scored 0 in 4 of those 6 games. Once again, none of that is a typo. -Cassity went 5 straight games without a foul (Portland to Arkansas State). Is that really a sign of good defense, or is he just hiding out there? -He has not hit a 3-pointer since December 7th vs. Vermont. -He went 3 straight games (Ill-Springfield to Arkansas State) without a rebound. I was fine with that when we were winning games. He's had 3 total rebounds in the past 2 losses. -Cassity has only played under 20 minutes once, and still managed to do everything (nothing?) I listed above. My advice would be: DO SOMETHING. His numbers are starting to remind me of kids on my grade school team whose parents were forcing them to play. They'd go out there and basically count down the seconds until they could get back on the bench. How else can a starter be putting up such miniscule numbers? One last thought: I was just telling Box I could almost - almost - accept his offensive numbers if he were John Redden, a guy who would draw the toughest defensive assignment and shut down the opposing team's best player. But that obviously is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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