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Just now, Lord Elrond said:
Give Centene the naming rights in exchange for Centene giving money directly into BVF
Money is fungible. Whether Centene gives money directly to the SLU Athletic Department or gives it to an NIL is kind of a moot point. If SLU had more than enough coming into the Athletic Department, they could easily tell a few key boosters to cut their contributions to SLU and increase their contributions to NIL. There are some tax games to be played, but as long as they can find some donors willing to do the NIL route it should be fine.
The big question, which many have already touched on, is whether this new requirement of having a large NIL base is going to come from additional donations to SLU/NIL or whether the net funds will be the same and cuts will have to be made in facilities and other sports because the Athletic Department now has a shortage. I suspect the net amount be contributed is somewhat higher, but cuts are coming.
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1 hour ago, Pistol said:
As long as sports are tied to college education, there's a somewhat logical length of time that a career can last. As toothless as the NCAA has become, I don't see careers stretching over the existing 6-year limit. But hey, you're the lawyer, not me.
By the way, midseason transfers already exist. I'm not sure why that's part of this particular argument.
I think cgelmacher's point is that at some point someone will sue and say they should be able to play college basketball as long as they want. If I or you can go to school as long as I want, why can't I also play basketball as long as I want? How dare the NCAA limit me to only 4 seasons. They can't limit me from transferring or getting paid or anything like that, so why are they limiting me from playing more than 4 years will be the argument.
As to whether people would want to play basketball at the college level indefinitely, of course they would. It's a far more attractive option for a 25 year old to play college basketball in the U.S. than to go over to some Eastern European country and play for $50k. Take a few classes for free, call yourself a "student athlete" and you can make $300k playing in the U.S. College basketball would be full of 25-30 year olds if allowed.
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13 hours ago, cheeseman said:
If this is true #1 that is a 25 times increase in one year if my math is correct. How can this kind of annual increases be sustainable even for the big boys.
Not every team is going to get a 25X increase. If you are a relative nobody team and all of a sudden become a top 25 team, you can expect a large increase.
Same goes for individual players. A player may be getting $20k a year somewhere, have a breakout season and be offered $500k somewhere else the next season. Of course the opposite could be true...a player may have a 200k deal then play poorly or get hurt and next year he is told he'll only be getting 50k or that he should hit the portal. There is a downside for players that don't perform as free agency every year for every player doesn't work out so well if you don't perform up to your contract.
The real question is how much will the entire pot of NIL funds grow each year. That's the true test of sustainability.
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1 hour ago, willie said:
Assuming this article is acurate Schertz's hiring wasn't the done deal we all believed.
I feel like there is maybe a little creative over-emphasizing on the uncertainty he had regarding SLU at the beginning and the value that he got out of him and May talking every day for the next few weeks. It's a smart thing to do because it makes him look like there was a larger chance he was going back to ISU and it makes Chris May look good. It's a win/win for him to cast it this way and all coaches are good salesmen.
I'm more inclined to believe that when Trilly and all the national media guys said it was close to a done deal shortly after they didn't make the dance, it was really done at that point.
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3 hours ago, cgeldmacher said:
James Cromwell, who played Logan Roy's crazy brother, is 6'7". Could be a rim protector if he has some hops.
Would he bring cousin Greg with him? That dude was quite tall.
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13 minutes ago, slubillikens43 said:
I haven't seen that he's been released from his NLI. He had an offer from ISU as well so I could see him still coming.
I have no inside info, but I'd be surprised if he still comes. An NLI signed in the fall under a different coach means pretty much nothing in today's world of portals and changing NIL offers (using NLI and NIL in one sentence is dangerous).
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2 hours ago, slu72 said:
I’m excited about Schertz. I think we hired Rick Jr. But right now there’s a lot of uncertainty in the college hoops world. Things will eventually come into focus especially in the A10. I do think if we land the 3-5 ISU players we’ll be a top 4 program. But as we’ve seen top 4 in the A10 guarantees only 1 bid. For a 2nd bid we’re gonna have to go like 15-3 and finish first or second. Then at least have to make the championship game in the tourney. My crystal ball can’t see that far out today.
If we land the majority of the ISU players, why would we expect anything other than to have a NET similar to what they had last year? They had a NET of 28 last year, only Dayton would have been higher. Not sure why you'd sell SLU short by lumping us in with teams 2-4 in the A-10 that had NETs in the 70-90 range.
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10 minutes ago, brianstl said:
Tough few days for the Sycamores. Getting hit with the hard reality of modern college basketball. It sucks and I would actually feel sorry for them if their board wouldn't have been such A$$es about everything over the past week or so. It is a fan base that was completely detached from reality. This all would have still happened even if Schertz would have stayed. That is why he knew he had to get out of there now and he was as nice as possible about it.
A few thoughts on ISU and the internet:
- I haven't gone over to the ISU message boards. I'm sure some of it has been nasty but it's to be expected.
- Fan bases don't speak as one unified voice and definitionally anyone that posts a lot on a message board is going to be an outlier. Taken further, if all you do is read the loudest, most obnoxious voices in a group that is already loud an obnoxious (i.e. internet posters) you are going to get a bad view of that fanbase/group.
- I've seen a lot of people on this board and twitter over the past few weeks say something along the lines "I/we won't react poorly if this happens to us in a few years because it means we will have had a great couple of years." I think that's complete B.S. If the same thing was happening to us that is happening to them, people would be naturally pissed and it only takes 5% of the posters to make an entire fanbase look crazy. Is Billikens.com and Billiken twitter really so unified in thought that 5% of this board couldn't make us look stupid and unreasonable???
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2 hours ago, billikenfan05 said:
I realize this is going to come off nitpicky but a bit of me doesn't like the attitude of talking about Schertz like that when he's been so adamant to not speak on the situation. Seems a bit rude. Idk. Not shooting the messenger, Drew.
It does seem a little nitpicky to me. Posters on here have been confidently posting for weeks that Schertz has already decided to come to SLU. I haven't had the chance to listen to your podcast in the last couple of weeks (sorry!) but I suspect you and Pete have said similar. Apologies if I'm wrong about that.
So posters and podcasters are allowed to speculate that Schertz is coming to SLU. But Frank on 590 isn't allowed to say something similar?
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8 minutes ago, Pistol said:
Maybe this is just me being selfish because my kids are off school and we're driving to see it, but I really hope they don't do the big announcement on Monday. The story will be buried by eclipse mania. Terre Haute is within the path of totality and STL is pretty close to it. Then the men's final is that night.
It has to be Sunday (well before the women's final) or Tuesday.
Friday and Saturday also work. I think we'll have our guy announced in the media by the time the men's final 4 tips. When the actual press-conference is, I'd bet on Monday morning.
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1 hour ago, thetorch said:
SLU reached out to Chris Mack and we were rebuffed. Vanderbilt was also told no. Mack wants a low pressure gig where he can win. He wasn't looking for a high major team or a team that wants to be high major.
Floyd and Tony despise SLU. It would be a shame if we missed out on a lot of players that come out of the V except none really do. Irons prepares his teams to win at the HS level. Once they leave Vashon they all flame out. Any present and future SLU coaches should just stay away.
Floyd went on several local media campaigns. After Melvin left SLU he did an interview with Irons on Sports Plus explaining his side of the story, assault charges, taking cash to play, etc etc. The one with McKinney's father was with the player Romar recruited that was ineligible, that Irons convinced to play on his semi pro team instead of sitting out a year and playing in college and then got shot shortly thereafter ending his career. There was also a big media campaign to get Joel Shelton to get an offer from SLU, if you get a second read up on Shelton fascinating story. It eats at Floyd and Tony that Bonner is the best player to come out of Vashon and the credit for his development, rightfully so, goes to Grawer. In the 40 years since with all their great teams they haven't produced a player even close to him.
That was Nick Kern (senior), right?
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4 minutes ago, brianstl said:
Unless something I was told before our season was even over was completely incorrect, there was no possibility of Schertz returning to ISU. If things didn't work out for him at SLU he was going to take a new job somewhere. He already had back plan in FAU because he knew it was going to be open if nothing worked out anywhere else.
I doubt ISU could have found a way to fix all of the issues Schertz saw with being able to keep the program at ISU sustainable beyond this season. It isn't just getting enough money to keep Schertz, it is not being able to have the funds and other things the players want to keep the team he built together.
Not to bag on ISU, but this is their best season is 45 years. He's taken them as far as anyone can reasonably expect. It's time for him to move on and I'm thrilled that he has apparently decided to do it with us.
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6 minutes ago, cheeseman said:
1. If he decides to stay at ISU what happens to the buyout in the MoU? - does ISU pay it? - or does it just not trigger?
2. I believe someone posted that May has still been interviewing - not sure who was mentioned.
3. I am still of the mind that the longer this goes the chances of us getting him drop - doesn't mean he won't come just that the chances decrease.
1. If the MoU exists, and multiple media reported that it does, then he isn't staying at ISU. The idea of him still deciding is really just Terre Haute media playing the party line and keeping the fan base happy during the NIT run.
2. One MBM saying that is not really credible IMO. If the deal is as done as we want it to be with a MoU then the last thing you want to do is piss off Schertz by word leaking that you are talking to someone else. I doubt May is talking to anyone at this point!
3. If the chances are 98% at this point, waiting till after ISU loses in the semi-finals moves it to what, 97%. If they win the whole thing it goes to 96.5%? Not sure how this falls apart but it is definitely going to last until at least April 2 and likely the way they are playing, April 4th. Just turn off the computer and check back in on April 5th.
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So are we rooting for or against ISU tonight?
I say against, time to get this thing truly finalized.
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In the last hour both Jeff Goodman and Pat Forde have tweeted about Richard Pitino being involved at Louisville. Now this article:
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4 hours ago, brianstl said:
They can always send out an email saying the announcement has been delayed. This email just makes sure their enough people available if ISU loses and they can announce next week.
This. I'm not sure why people are reading more into it than that.
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2 hours ago, cheeseman said:
I really think May 1st is too late. Heck that is 6 weeks out and all the good dominos will be falling in the next 2-3 weeks. This timeline is exactly what I was afraid of - the school or whoever is in charge (May) is planning to slow walk it. Coaches will drop their names out of consideration if they have to sit around and wait this long - other schools will take the some of our targets way. Nero fiddles while Rome burns. Big mistake!!!
Slufan13’s post was satire as he was making fun of courtside’s inside info by posting a lot of his own “info” that isn’t really insightful and has predictions that are nearly impossible to be wrong. For example, using a date of May 1 it’s impossible to be wrong. He wasn’t actually predicting it would take that long to hire a coach.
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Ace, you may be right, but what is the solution other than to win and win a lot. We aren't switching conferences any time soon and that has been well documented. So what can we really do besides win?
And places that I kind of disagree with you:
- I don't buy that the Mountain West is now a part of a new P6. They are having a great multi-year run but the A10 had the same 7-9 years ago and the AAC had it for a while too over the last 5 years. Time will tell if that conference has staying power, but I don't think I'd call it P6 yet.
- Indiana St. potentially getting screwed of a bid this year is criminal, but Dayton being a near lock given their resume shows the A10 still gets a certain amount of respect. I'm really not sure why Dayton is a lock, but they are.
- Florida Atlantic is a good example of what can still be done in this era of NIL, with a little bit of good fortune (i.e. a deep tourney run). Win and win big and the NIL money will start to flow.
There are no doubt that the new college landscape has a lot of challenges for smaller schools and I hate the new free agency every year for every player model, but it is what it is. Let's go get a coach that can when in this structure and it will all work out...
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1 hour ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said:
If they do it Sunday, that would allow Schertz to finish out the MVC if they're looking to him
plus there's a week gap before the NCAA.
I know we are just grasping at straws on the logic and whatnot, but there is no way that Schertz (or any other coach that will be in the NCAA tournament) is going to announce they are leaving their team for SLU until the NCAA tournament is over.
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Apologies if this has been brought up in another thread, but SLU really needs to do it's senior night activities before the game next Tuesday. A few reasons:
- It's an 8'oclock start which means there is plenty of time to do it before the game. And it's kind of late for most Billiken fans after the game. Even in the best of times, I don't want my kids out till 10:30 or later.
- We are playing Dayton and will almost certainly lose and probably get blown out. After the game is never fun when you lose and if it's like last night, 2/3 of the fans that show up will have already left. It's a safe bet that there will be more Dayton fans in Chaifetz at the end of the game than Billiken ones.
- As angry as we all are with the coaching, players such as T.J., Gibson, etc. deserve a good send-off.
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4 hours ago, cheeseman said:
Brad was involved. He was expecting Josh to come back from the trip to KY and sign with us the next day. This was all after he signed with W IL and then wanted out but could not get released. He then went to a JUCO and when he was ready to sign with another D1 school Brad was reinvolved and thought he had him. Brad supposedly felt somewhat betrayed.
Brad was fired in March of 2007. Josh committed to Kentucky in March of 2008.
From Wikipedia:
In March 2008, Western Illinois fired coach Derek Thomas, and Harrellson was released from his Letter of Intent in April of that year.[3] Harrellson first expressed interest in transferring to the University of Missouri, but the school had no basketball scholarships available.[10] He considered scholarship offers from Iowa, Iowa State, St. Louis, Indiana, Illinois and Kentucky.[10]His final decision was between St. Louis and Kentucky.[10] Despite his desire to stay close to home, in part because of his parents' recent divorce, Harrellson chose Kentucky because of the chance for better exposure, which would lead to an opportunity to play professional basketball.
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44 minutes ago, cheeseman said:
I am pretty sure that is what I said - Brad told him to wait until the Spring and the kid did not. Not sure what I said is different then what you posted.
Admittedly, I mis-read the last part of your post, but it definitely made it sound like Brad was involved when he made the decision to go to Kentucky. In truth, that was all under Majerus' time. Agreed, that Brad's mistake was not offering him in the fall before his high school season and hoping he could grab him in the spring.
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18 hours ago, cheeseman said:
He did not pass on Harrelson. He wanted him but Josh picked KY. Brad thought he had him but Josh wanted to go on a trip for fun to KY and surprise surprise something happened that changed his mind - wonder the pix we saw of him drinking with pretty KY coeds hanging on him had anything to do with it. Brad did tell him not to sign early but he did with Western IL. Brad probably screwed that up but he wanted to look around a bit and get him the spring but it was not to be.
Cheeseman, I think you are mis-remembering the timeline on Harrelson. Brad didn't show enough interest in him when he was in high school, or told him we'd like to see how senior year went. Either way, Harrelson was under recruited by SLU. He went on a visit to Western Illinois and committed to Derek Thomas. He then had a huge senior year and decided he didn't want to go to Western Illinois. Ended up doing one year at SWIC because Western Illinois wouldn't release him from his LOI.
By that time Majerus was the head coach at SLU. When he was eventually released by Western Illinois his recruitment blew up and it was indeed between SLU and Kentucky. The glitz and glamor of UK won out.
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5 hours ago, Basketbill said:
I do not think the law will say “unlimited” ability to transfer. Not sure what will happen, the ridiculous part is the inability of the NCAA to be timely. Did they not see this coming ? They made the rules, they have a responsibility, and they are failing.
I know everyone wants to pick on the NCAA and they are an easy target, but for about a 100 years they made rules (don't pay players, sit out for a year when transferring, academic qualifications to play, 4 years of eligibility) and everyone had to follow them or risk punishment if caught not following them. They have relaxed those rules over the past two decades but when they still try to set or enforce rules (no two time transfers) they get chewed up by the courts. It was well known going into this year that two time transfers were not going to be allowed unless in extreme circumstances. It's the legal system and congress that has basically said: you aren't allowed to make or enforce any of the rules. Absent congressional action to re-establish the NCAA as a proper rule making authority college sports will forever be changed...and not for the better.
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WELCOME HEAD COACH JOSH SCHERTZ!!
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Let’s say I was rich and told SLU I wanted to donate $100k to the athletic department. I could have a conversation with Chris May or Matt Hayden and ask them how much they want me to contribute to SLU directly and how much they’d like me to donate to the NIL.
if SLU knew that the NIL was short money they could tell me to donate it all to NIL. If the NIL was healthy and they needed money for the tennis team, they say give it to the school.
I’m certain this is already happening to some extent.