billiken_roy Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, SShoe said: The fact that we are now the country with the most confirmed cases in the world is a testament to how truly awful and inept this administration really is. or how much other nations (namesake china) are lying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said: Palm Beach county had two medical professionals test positive Yesterday, so a couple hospitals are undergoing directed testing for all the staff they contacted for the past four days. This virus is a hydra. hydra - another word i havent heard since freshman mythology class. god i hated that class. which begs the questions, "if cliff is using a mythological word like "hydra" is he secretly agreeing that the chinese flu virus seriousness is somewhat of a myth?" hmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: or how much other nations (namesake china) are lying Obviously that's a real question, but independent epidemiologists with the WHO at least seemed satisfied the numbers are real. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, SShoe said: Obviously that's a real question, but independent epidemiologists with the WHO at least seemed satisfied the numbers are real. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf china has banned all visitors and wont share anything. take them for what they are saying or too bad. but you believe what and who you want. i know i will. so you might as well also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 There are so many opportunities to incorporate elements of the famed Greek and Shakespeare tragedies here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 The only thing that Trump controls is the federal government's response. He can encourage the governors to re-open the economy. But this is the same person that assured the country that our 15 infected cases would soon be down to zero. We're over 85,000 cases and counting. Why should they believe him? Even the leading conservative magazine understands that Trump can't reopen the economy by speaking it into existence. https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/relax-trump-cant-re-open-the-economy/ Above all else, Trump can’t open up the economy because he was never empowered to shut it down. Governors and local government officials ask non-essential businesses to shutter, not the president. Trump can’t reopen all business through fiat. Governors have the power in these situations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 ive noticed they no longer are quoting the number of cases hospitalized. only confirmed and dead. hmmmmmm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BilliesBy40 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: ive noticed they no longer are quoting the number of cases hospitalized. only confirmed and dead. hmmmmmm. OK Boomer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiseAndGrind Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 20 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: ive noticed they no longer are quoting the number of cases hospitalized. only confirmed and dead. hmmmmmm. Roy who is they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 So we have what 1000 deaths so far..what about the flu? According to CDC, this year's flu season has led to at least 16 million medical visits and 350,000 hospitalizations. CDC found that the percentage of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness decreased to 5.3% in the week ending on Feb. 29, down from 5.5% the previous week. The national baseline for those visits is 2.4%. CDC estimated that there have been 20,000 deaths related to the flu so far this season. Just because there is a vacine these deaths are no problem???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, drkelsey55 said: So we have what 1000 deaths so far..what about the flu? According to CDC, this year's flu season has led to at least 16 million medical visits and 350,000 hospitalizations. CDC found that the percentage of outpatient visits for influenza-like illness decreased to 5.3% in the week ending on Feb. 29, down from 5.5% the previous week. The national baseline for those visits is 2.4%. CDC estimated that there have been 20,000 deaths related to the flu so far this season. Just because there is a vacine these deaths are no problem???? If we reach the same amount of COVID-19 infections as there are flu infections, a 1% mortality rate translates to 500,000 deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: If we reach the same amount of COVID-19 infections as there are flu infections, a 1% mortality rate translates to 500,000 deaths. So the flu deaths are ok?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 minute ago, drkelsey55 said: So the flu deaths are ok?? Compared to something that could produce 25x more deaths given the same number of infections, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said: Roy who is they? "Nasty question"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Flu deaths are a problem as well. That is why the CDC dishes out over $8 million a year in grants to help design the next year flu vaccine, and then the federal government last year paid to manufacture over 162 million immunizations, open sourced the “formula” so private industry could make another 7-10 million shots. This is why many insurance plans cover the cost on its entirety, or with a minuscule copay. Our company offered it free at work through a visiting nurse. The medical community does everything in its power to publicize, educate, immunize, and treat the common flu. Why do people not get the shot? Why, oh why, do we castigate the medical community for not doing enough about the flu? This is an utterly false canard(there is your new vocabulary word, Roy!) They do their damndest faced with the flu, and now they have corona. Medical professionals are getting sick at a higher rate than the general population. They need our help and PPE, not scorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 5 minutes ago, drkelsey55 said: So the flu deaths are ok?? We do have flu shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: If we reach the same amount of COVID-19 infections as there are flu infections, a 1% mortality rate translates to 500,000 deaths. You need 50,000,000 to get it to get to that man y deaths. You know that will happen how? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, drkelsey55 said: You need 50,000,000 to get it to get to that man y deaths. You know that will happen how? We don't. So the choices are 1) hope that it isn't as infectious as the flu and act accordingly or 2) assume that it has a comparable rate of infection based on our limited data and act accordingly. The epidemiology community is in camp #2. If you're not going to listen to your trained experts on the most important issues, what's the point of having them at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 $8 million vs $2 trillion plus shut down the country. Not even close reaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, billiken_roy said: or how much other nations (namesake china) are lying possibly the u.s. has done more testing therefore more confirmed cases? if testing is not widespread is there an accurate count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 85536 USA case = 3.3 million unemployed so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 rgbilliken likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Dr Kelsey, is your doctorate a PhD or an MD? Asking respectfully, as many MDs would not advance that observation this early in the epidemic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, drkelsey55 said: 85536 USA case = 3.3 million unemployed so far. Either accept the outcome of choice #2 or the the outcome of choice #1. But you have to choose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, drkelsey55 said: So the flu deaths are ok?? No one is saying that. What many are saying is that corona could overwhelm our health care infrastructure, which would result in far worse human and economic impacts than the seasonal flu. When is the last time the seasonal flu overwhelmed our system? rgbilliken and MusicCityBilliken like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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