billiken_roy Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 i think the relevance is that by simply naming names, and big names at that, it might finally shock and force the powers to be to actually do something. for example i am sure that the players association has drug their feet tremendously on any action and procedures that baseball has tried to implement. this "tell all" imo makes that more difficult to do. hopefully it forces the players association at minimum to work in concert with the owners to set standards and policies that will help police the problem going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I have been told Pujols will be named. No Pujols in the document. the list that was sent around earlier this morning is complete b.s.! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 No Pujols in the document. the list that was sent around earlier this morning is complete b.s.! Do you have the actual list? If so can you post it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 No Pujols in the document. the list that was sent around earlier this morning is complete b.s.!I am glad that is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Do you have the actual list? If so can you post it? Its not an acutal list. I suggest you go to mlb.com and look at the actual report. The majority of the info is nothing new. for instance, on Ankiel it just talks about how a newsday article talked about him getting HGH. I will say the stuff on Clemens is pretty damning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 i hope kshoe is correct. i tried to find the list in the last few minutes and all i found was about a 500 page pdf file (the actual mitchell report) that i know i am not reading. no total list that i have found at a number of sites since 1 pm. i will say that since the old list is not being circulated anymore that kshoe is at least right in the one being sent around this morning is probably not accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 if i remember correctly, john lennon felt that LSD "helped" his writing. did pretty good for himself while alive. you should try that. Good idea. I think it worked for Dock Ellis too, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 Here is the link to the report in pdf form. On page 127 is where they start listing the names. http://files.mlb.com/mitchrpt.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 i think the relevance is that by simply naming names, and big names at that, it might finally shock and force the powers to be to actually do something. for example i am sure that the players association has drug their feet tremendously on any action and procedures that baseball has tried to implement. this "tell all" imo makes that more difficult to do. hopefully it forces the players association at minimum to work in concert with the owners to set standards and policies that will help police the problem going forward. i think the relevance is that by simply naming names, and big names at that, it might finally shock and force the powers to be to actually do something. NFW, let me say again, NFW MLB does anything of substance (get the pun?) - what are they going to do? not a damn thing, they hired an ex-senator who just happens to be a friend of the commissoner to say we had a problem, so now everyone knows there was a problem, and it can all go away. i hope i am wrong and that mlb does some strong stuff (pun), but i just do not see it happening. i am sure that the players association has drug their feet - good one here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted December 13, 2007 Author Share Posted December 13, 2007 Cody McKay, Larry Bigbie, Vina, Jason Christiansen, Gary Bennett, and Rick Ankiel are the names that have Cardinal connections that I noticed on a quick review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 wnbc is where the morning list originated. i would think pujols would take action vs wnbc. i know i would if i was him unless wnbc issues a formal apology and explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 wnbc is where the morning list originated. i would think pujols would take action vs wnbc. i know i would if i was him unless wnbc issues a formal apology and explanation. Pujols and a bunch of others. Daryl Kile, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood and others were also on the list but didn't show up in the report. Roy, if you go to the pdf file you can use search feature and type in any names you want. You get nothing with Pujols but quite a bit when you search on Clemens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Pujols and a bunch of others. Daryl Kile, Mark Prior, Kerry Wood and others were also on the list but didn't show up in the report. Roy, if you go to the pdf file you can use search feature and type in any names you want. You get nothing with Pujols but quite a bit when you search on Clemens. I'm still waiting for some publication (or someone on here) to compile a quick list so I don't have to keep scrolling through the 409-page pdf. From what I've seen, the names aren't quite the caliber of the original list we saw in this thread. No Pujols is the key- that would have broken my heart. Some of the others are surprises, some not, some are too small of names to care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Majerus Magic Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I'm still waiting for some publication (or someone on here) to compile a quick list so I don't have to keep scrolling through the 409-page pdf. From what I've seen, the names aren't quite the caliber of the original list we saw in this thread. No Pujols is the key- that would have broken my heart. Some of the others are surprises, some not, some are too small of names to care. http://cbs2chicago.com/national/Mitchell.r...html#playerlist This is the list of players named Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 I'm still waiting for some publication (or someone on here) to compile a quick list so I don't have to keep scrolling through the 409-page pdf. From what I've seen, the names aren't quite the caliber of the original list we saw in this thread. No Pujols is the key- that would have broken my heart. Some of the others are surprises, some not, some are too small of names to care. From rotoworld.com Chad Allen, Rick Ankiel, David Bell, Mike Bell, Gary Bennett Jr, Larry Bigbie, Barry Bonds, Kevin Brown, Paul Byrd, Jose Canseco, Mark Carreon, Jason Christiansen, Howie Clark, Roger Clemens, Jack Cust, Brendan Donnelly, Chris Donnels, Lenny Dykstra, Matt Franco, Ryan Franklin, Eric Gagne, Jay Gibbons, Troy Glaus, Jason Grimsley, Jose Guillen, Jerry Hairston Jr, Matt Herges, Phil Hiatt, Glenallen Hill, Darren Holmes, Todd Hundley, David Justice, Chuck Knoblauch, Tim Laker Mike Lansing, Paul Lo Duca, Nook Logan, Gary Matthews Jr, Josias Mazanillo, Cody McKay, Kent Mercker, Bart Miadich, Hal Morris, Danny Neagle, Jim Parque, Andy Pettite. Adam Piatt, Todd Pratt, Stephen Randolph, Brian Roberts, John Rocker, Adam Riggs, F.P. Santangelo, David Segui, Scott Shoeneweis, Mike Stanton, Miguel Tejada, Ismael Valdez, Mo Vaughn, Fernando Vina, Ron Villone, Rondell White, Jeff Williams, Matt Williams, Todd Williams, Steve Woodard, Kevin Young Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzstldc Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 Here is a link to the FoxSports website which lists all those players mentioned on the report. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7560544...P>1=10734 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 billikenroy where did you get your list. Pujols and Kile were not on the list. Sorry hadn't read the would thread. See they are not on the list Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 billikenroy where did you get your list. Pujols and Kile were not on the list. Sorry hadn't read the would thread. See they are not on the list a fellow fantasy baseball league owner sent it to me this morning from the wnbc site. it is my understanding that by mid morning mlb had alerted wnbc their list was wrong and they took it down immediately. it would be interesting to know who posted that list at wnbc and what will happen to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provos528 Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 a fellow fantasy baseball league owner sent it to me this morning from the wnbc site. it is my understanding that by mid morning mlb had alerted wnbc their list was wrong and they took it down immediately. it would be interesting to know who posted that list at wnbc and what will happen to them. A Cub Fan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted December 13, 2007 Share Posted December 13, 2007 A Cub Fan! But that one did have Wood and Prior...well, then maybe it was a Cubs fan. They're still bitter about how that pair played out (and Prior is officially gone from the organization). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 I would not look at this list and think these are all the players who have used steroids, this list implicates those that used a certain few suppliers, go to golds gym and I bet you can find a supplier pretty quick. Go to mexico or peurto rico i bet you can find some of these medications pretty quickly!! This investigation should be seen as how widespread steroids can get from one or two trainers willing to cross the line. You cannot convince me that these are the only ones! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyRican Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Fitting that this list comes out the same day Eckstein signs a nice deal with the Bluejays. I bet JP is confident David is clean so he was willing to spend way too much for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 You cannot convince me that these are the only ones! I don't think Mitchell is using this report to convince anyone that these are the only ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GOSLU68 Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 count the players that have had direct tony larussa contact. that is a little concerning. remember when Ozzie and some others spent the winter with Joyner in California and bulked up to hit three home runs the next year? That was before TL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted December 14, 2007 Share Posted December 14, 2007 Moytoy I agree that Mitchell is not but I think what is lost on the media is the extent to which management looked the other way and in there silence gave consent. The one email from Lo Duca's agent to an LA Dodger official was eye opening. Management knew what was going on. Selig wants this to be the beginning of the end, but since this report did not even touch amphetamines, it seems while detailed, it's scope imho was too narrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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