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  1. 38 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:


    sorry my spelling isnt to your level of acceptance.   i said joe not john.   i would think most people would be smart enough to understand.  i spelled his last name wrong and i meant the guy who is the only living person to win a world series for the cubs and is now managing the angels.   not the crazy guy that used to coach football.   but at least you apparently are a good speller.   i am happy you got that going for you. 

    Roy it was aimed at the entire thread mostly misspelling Shildt (including the original poster) not just you.


  2. 46 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

    the above list is a fail.   no world series winner there.   

    Skip Schumaker won a World Series as a player in 2011. He drove in the only run in the Carpenter/Halladay NLDS game 5 duel.

    I would prefer Schumaker to another internal promotion. He had a long career as a role player (as have most good MLB managers) and has been part of playoff runs on other teams both as a player and coach.

    I do think ultimately Mozeliak runs the organization in order to be perpetually competitive but doesn't make the moves necessary to win the World Series and he doesn't appreciate a manager who challenges his authority even if that dynamic is a necessary component to win (the 2011 Cardinals don't win the WS if TLR doesn't go over Mo's head and get DeWitt to force Mo to trade Rasmus)

  3. The only way STL ends up with a team (plus stadium) is if the judgement/damages are so extreme ($5-10B) to the point that Kroenke defaults on his indemnification contract with the other owners...leaving them to hold the bag and willing to offer a team plus X billion dollars for stadium/facilities as a means to end the ordeal.


    The magnitude of the damages hinges on whether the increased value of the franchise as a result of the move are recoverable damages and/or are factored into the punitive damages. 


    It's not impossible but it's a long shot and many developments away in an absolute best case scenario. 


    My prediction is that the NFL and the Rams are humiliated in court and after many years of appeals the Kroenke estate pays STL and the lawyers $1-3B in damages.

  4. 7 minutes ago, brianstl said:

    I think at least a significant portion of the award would be limited on what it could be spent on by the fact it would be going to the St. Louis Regional Convention and Sports Complex Authority.  I think state statue limits that money to be spent on sports and convention facilities the authority itself operates or decides to build.

    The SLRCSCA or CVC or whatever is funded by the City and County, who are co-plaintiffs. I'm sure it'll be like the Simpsons trying to figure out how to spend the oil money (won't somebody please think of the children) when it comes to how to spend it, and I don't necessarily have confidence it will be spent well...but I just think if we're using it for a new stadium, we need a partner (a team) who is willing to help maintain it. 


  5. 31 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

    again, i hope that st louis is smart enough to pay off the dome and the soccer field with their settlement.

    and i believe they will settle.   the owners will not want their financials out.   particularly since they know they are going to lose.   they will settle.  

    i personally hate the nfl.  but we all know an nfl franchise is pretty much golden even if poorly run and an annual loser.   some billionaire is waiting to buy and wants to be in the snob club of an nfl owner.  thus if they want to include in the settlement a franchise plus a billion dollars why not take that?  

    again, i quit the nfl when all the kneeling started so i dont know a lot about it and really dont care about it.  wouldnt go to a game no matter what.   but i am fascinated by this suit and am watching the development very closely and very entertained.  

    The Dome will be paid off by the time the settlement is reached (or damages enforced).

    The owners can't just make Stan settle nor can they make the STL lawyers accept a settlement. If the owners know they are going to lose, surely the STL lawyers know they are going to win, so why settle unless the amount is greater than what think they can win.

    Why the owners include a permanent cut of their TV revenue in the settlement?

    So you didn't quit the NFL when Stan crapped on our city on his way out the door in 2016 but the final straw was African American players protesting police brutality? Gotcha.

  6. 30 minutes ago, brianstl said:

    A NFL team isn't a real flagship tenant.  It only fills ten days a year and it actually makes it harder to schedule other events because 20 weeks have to be blocked off the schedule annually until the NFL releases their schedule.


    I'm sure there is some truth to the argument that the Rams made it harder for the Dome to book events in the 2nd half of the year. That said, you start the year with 10 events already booked. In a normal lease situation - which I know we didn't have because we built a stadium without a tenant and had no leverage in negotiations with the Rams in 1994 - but in a normal lease situation the flagship tenant is on the hook for some of the maintenance/operating overhead.

    How many weeks a year is your 50k retractable roof going to have events?

    How many of those events would have gone to Enterprise or the Dome (or the MLS stadium) had the new venue not existed?

    How many other cities have a 50k+ retractable roof stadium without a sports team that plays their home games there?

    Now, if you can guarantee that we're going to get the Final 4 every so many years, and Wrestlemania so many years, and USMNT/USWNT World Cup qualifiers so many years, and it's built somewhere that will actually enhance downtown and not just cannibalize from other venues...then maybe it would be a good idea...

    It just seems like there would be better ways to spend the money that would benefit the region 52 weeks a year.

  7. 58 minutes ago, Slu let the dogs out? said:

    On the topic of NFL expansion to STL I could have sworn  Randy K responded to someone in a tweet that there is virtually no chance STL gets an expansion team because the NFL wants nothing to do with STL and STL wants nothing to do with the NFL which makes sense and is fine with me.  Perhaps I’m just back on my crazy pills, perhaps he subsequently erased it, but I don’t see it anymore. 

    I can’t believe there are people in STL that still want an NFL team. Do you guys like getting cucked too?

    re: St Louis getting a team

    I think going back a few years, when it became clear the LA Chargers were a problem in terms of generating so much less revenue than anyone else, combined with the STL lawsuit becoming a bigger threat, there was some "fixer" talk within NFL circles that couldn't we just solve both problems by moving the Chargers to St Louis?

    Spanos has no incentive to move. He's got a sweet lease in Stan's stadium. They can't make the Spanos move. They can't make him sell. Even if they could, who would be willing to step up and buy the team and own them in St Louis? It would need to be someone who already has a ton of credibility in St Louis and many billions of dollars and someone the owners would accept into their club.

    Expansion talk is also an extreme longshot for many of the same reasons. STL (if they win) will get a lump cash payment, not a team or any kind of perpetual cut of revenue.

    The reason the lawsuit is such a problem is that it's exposing that the NFL doesn't follow it's own relocation guidelines - which normally a private institutions guidelines would be far less important than a binding lease between a regional authority and a sports team...but the issue is that the relocation guidelines are part of the grand bargain decades ago that allows the NFL to maintain it's antitrust exemption. I'm not a legal scholar but my understanding is that damages are tripled in anti trust cases.

    re: The owners will just settle

    Easier said than done. Realize the only way the STL lawyers would settle is if the offer is greater than what they think they're going to win in trial (multiplied by their confidence factor that they will prevail). Stan is on the hook for it all anyway - so presumably he's the one who would have to settle.

    re: Building a stadium with the settlement money

    Don't build a stadium without a flagship tenant. That's what got us into this mess in the first place.

    We're not going to build a retractable roof 50k stadium to host Final Fours once every decade and the occasional soccer game that won't be as intimate as the venue a few blocks away.

  8. On 1/25/2004 at 4:35 PM, strode said:

    I cant tell someone to not use the name Iggy, but the guy using Iggy is not me. I dont post on this site. As a matter of fact, this is he first time I have visited the sight. Someone e mailed me and asked if I was posting on this site under the name Iggy. The answer is no. Just thought I would clear that up.

    Kenny Strode


  9. 1 hour ago, tarheelbilliken said:

    Did this just happen? I googled it and found nothing.

    I was not much aware of Ekker's post SLU career moves. Would have thought he be coaching at some nowheresville community college or selling Kias at a dealership in Ocala, Florida. Quite the contrary. Reading some of the clippings Ekker had a pretty active post-SLU basketball career. Coached at several Continental and USBL clubs. Was a advisor and assistant coach with the Magic.  Opened a basketball school with branches in China. Also wrote several books on his coaching philosphy.

    In fairness to Ekker, I wonder if he got anything in the way of administrative support.


  10. 43 minutes ago, cheeseman said:

    Good point - this reminds me of the issue in MN when the Cardinals last summer had to pause and people were claiming that some of the players went to a casino there and that is how they got it.  No cameras in the casino ever had any pictures of any Cardinals players having been there.  Now I guess the cameras could have missed them but honestly anybody who knows about casino security knows that would be very tough to pull off.

    The casino story was a smokescreen.

    There were reports from individuals that Carlos Martinez was at the Wheelhouse right before they got shut down the first time for not following protocols - and this was before anyone knew who tested positive or how much it would derail the season. Wainwright was out there in PR mode dismissing the casino story - but nobody in the media ever really dug into Carlos Martinez (and others?) clubbing activities leading to the team getting infected.

    Don't blame Gardner for having the audacity to call attention to it after we've never been given an adequate explanation for how the team got so infected after being so careful. At least Gardner had the sense to wait until after Selection Sunday so it would not be perhaps used against them by the committee.


  11. 18 minutes ago, wgstl said:

    How can you blame Ford for 19-20 lol. 

    They were not in line for an at-large bid in 19-20 before the pandemic hit.

    I like Ford and he's had to endure a lot of BS that's out of his control. The program/roster is in a good spot heading into next year.

    That said, his record is what it is. He's 0 for 5 having his team in a good spot to earn an at large bid.

  12. 1 hour ago, 3star_recruit said:

    Coach Ford has a great situation here:  full backing of the AD and our most prominent booster, an $80 million arena and a strong recruiting base.  We're one of the best mid-major jobs in basketball.

    Ford is a good fit for the program and the program is a good fit for him. If/when he starts making deep NCAA runs, there will naturally be suitors from the power conferences, but he's been there and he knows how tough it is to meet the expectations year in year out. He also knows he'll basically have a job for life here should he have that kind of success.

    He may one day leave but it would take a dream job opportunity. We should appreciate him, not take him for granted, but also not lose sleep over rumors/chatter about him moving/leaving.

  13. On 12/25/2020 at 2:48 PM, papal said:

    Thanks. Interesting that many of our greatest players on the turnover list.. I guess it shows that to be great you must be aggressive and that leads to turnovers.

    Here's that list re-ordered with made FG factored in, ranked by Ratio of FG + A to Turnovers - providing a bit more context for positives (made FG and assists) vs turnovers.


    Player FG A TO A/TO FG/TO (FG+A)/TO
    Claggett 657 347 246 1.411 2.671 4.081
    Waldman 189 295 120 2.458 1.575 4.033
    Ellis 329 99 107 0.925 3.075 4.000
    Douglass 766 279 267 1.045 2.869 3.914
    Bess 300 136 112 1.214 2.679 3.893
    Gray 694 279 250 1.116 2.776 3.892
    McCall 413 339 197 1.721 2.096 3.817
    Cobbin 365 143 135 1.059 2.704 3.763
    Lisch 516 325 224 1.451 2.304 3.754
    Cassity 234 320 148 2.162 1.581 3.743
    Dobbs 376 125 137 0.912 2.745 3.657
    Roder 158 353 144 2.451 1.097 3.549
    Crawford 327 144 136 1.059 2.404 3.463
    Mitchell 547 420 280 1.500 1.954 3.454
    Bonner 774 265 316 0.839 2.449 3.288
    Goodwin 490 353 265 1.332 1.849 3.181
    Highmark 549 245 251 0.976 2.187 3.163
    Willie 273 33 97 0.340 2.814 3.155
    French 464 187 209 0.895 2.220 3.115
    Burden 533 219 244 0.898 2.184 3.082
    Pee Wee 233 370 199 1.859 1.171 3.030
    Sloan 231 155 129 1.202 1.791 2.992
    Jett 453 422 295 1.431 1.536 2.966
    Newberry 267 424 234 1.812 1.141 2.953
    Fisher 324 436 262 1.664 1.237 2.901
    Evans 543 126 232 0.543 2.341 2.884
    Loe 342 153 174 0.879 1.966 2.845
    Roby 345 281 224 1.254 1.540 2.795
    Liddell 567 313 317 0.987 1.789 2.776
    Walker 217 350 206 1.699 1.053 2.752
    Burns 399 229 229 1.000 1.742 2.742
    Collins 76 229 113 2.027 0.673 2.699
    Love 307 122 164 0.744 1.872 2.616
    Perry 471 343 325 1.055 1.449 2.505
    Conklin 404 105 206 0.510 1.961 2.471
    Hughes 224 77 122 0.631 1.836 2.467
    Drejaj 273 272 221 1.231 1.235 2.466
    Vouyoukas 376 123 204 0.603 1.843 2.446
    Henderson 336 89 183 0.486 1.836 2.322
    McCauley 158 257 183 1.404 0.863 2.268
    LaTodd 180 401 338 1.186 0.533 1.719
  14. 3 hours ago, papal said:

    Not trying to be critical, but who is the Bills all-time turnover leader?  Jordair had a lot of turnovers early in his career,but improved a great deal later on.  Jim Roder had ?19 assists in a game;how many turnovers in that game.  Turnovers can also be misleading, since they are part of being an aggressive player-ie Goodwin;  who has best turnover/assist ratio? who has worst?

    1. LaTodd Johnson, 1979-80 to 1982-83 338
    2. Tommie Liddell, 2005-06 to 2008-09 317
    3. Anthony Bonner, 1986-87 to 1989-90 316
    4. Jordair Jett, 2010-11 to 2013-14 295
    5. Kwamain Mitchell, 2008-09 to 2012-13 280
    6. Monroe Douglass, 1985-86 to 1988-89 267
    7. Josh Fisher, 2000-01 to 2003-04 262
    8. Marque Perry, 1999-00 to 2002-03 260
    9. Roland Gray, 1985-86 to 1988-89 250
    10. Luther Burden, 1982-83 to 1984-85 244
    Not sure how far back turnovers are recorded, but this was the list headed into this season. Goodwin started the year just outside the top 10 with 240 and is currently 7th with 265 just 2 behind Monroe Douglass.

    Here's a bunch of Assist to Turnover ratios for players 1980s to present - I just looked up a bunch of guys, there might be somebody with a better ratio than H Waldman, but he and Roder were the only ones I could find better than Yuri Collins

    Waldman 2.458
    Roder 2.451
    Yuri 2.027
    Newberry 1.893
    Pee Wee 1.848
    McCall 1.720
    Walker 1.699
    Fisher 1.664
    Kwamain 1.500
    Lisch 1.450
    Jett 1.431
    Claggett 1.411
    McCauley 1.404
    Goodwin 1.332
    Drejaj 1.231
    LaTodd 1.186
    Gray 1.116
    Perry 1.055
    Douglass 1.045
    Burns 1.000
    Highmark 0.976
    Liddell 0.987
    Burden 0.897
    Bonner 0.838
    Love 0.744
    Hughes 0.631
    Big Mel 0.605
    Vouyoukas 0.603
    Willie 0.340

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