bauman Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 (edited) Hopefully this helps to keeps positions and available scholarships summarized in one spot. BY CLASS: (this year) Seniors : Roby, Anthony, Hines Juniors: AD, Foreman, Bess Sophomores: Santos (this will be his Class), Welmer, Graves, Bishop, Johnson Freshmen: Goodwin, French Available Scholarships: None With Gordon and Thatch coming in the following year, they will be taking two of the three Seniors scholarships (Roby, Hines and Anthony) meaning there is still one available scholarship in the 2018 Class. This all assumes no transfers out of the program, so any transfers out would add to the available scholarships for 2018. At least 3 scholarships will open up the following year (2019) when Foreman, AD and Bess finish their eligibility. BY POSITION; (2017-18) (2018-19) #5: Anthony, Foreman, French, Welmer Foreman, Santos, French, Welmer #4 French, Welmer, Johnson, Foreman, Bess Gordon, French, Welmer, Johnson, Bess #3 Bess, Johnson, Welmer, AD Bess, Johnson, Welmer, AD, Thatch #2 AD, Goodwin, Graves, Bishop, Roby AD, Goodwin, Graves, Bishop, Thatch #1 Goodwin, Bishop, Graves, Roby, Hines Goodwin, Bishop, Graves The above looks really good and shows quite a bit of flexibility with regard to positions. As I have written in another thread, I don't see us losing the rebounding battle to anyone. The players are not listed in any particular order, but rather are listed for any position that they might play, given match-up considerations. 2017-18 and beyond should be fun-no longer harder to be a Billiken fan. Edited June 14, 2017 by bauman Added Hines, where appropriate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NextYearBill Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 thank you for this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MusicCityBilliken Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 Good one Bauman. Nice look on what we have and what we have to look forward to. What's impressive is how well we should get through nagging injuries that will occur during the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 thankyouthankyouthankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChosenOne Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I am really excited for this coming season, but man we are loaded for 2018-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I completely agree that our rebounding will improve greatly going forward given the new players added to the team. How good we will be will depend upon how well the players mesh together into the team and playing system desired by Ford. They could be really excellent or less so, but surely much better than last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 So, 4 total sophomores, and with the exception of Johnson, they are all 3rd year guys. Never thought about it like that. Could be an advantage, also makes them a grad transfer candidate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 lose 2 this year only the original 3 transfers after '19 as I read it. Perfect foundation for a run. NIT caliber first year then add a top ten recruiting class to all but 2 returners, recruit at same level should stay on the run. Crash will be painful and we may be back to Crews era level but it will be worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 NCAA should be the expectation this year. Many are expecting at least one Big Ten transfers to come off the bench. With that kind of depth, the A10 should be ours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted June 3, 2017 Author Share Posted June 3, 2017 2 hours ago, almaman said: lose 2 this year only the original 3 transfers after '19 as I read it. Perfect foundation for a run. NIT caliber first year then add a top ten recruiting class to all but 2 returners, recruit at same level should stay on the run. Crash will be painful and we may be back to Crews era level but it will be worth it. I'm sorry but I don't understand your last sentence. Are you saying we will be returning to Crews-level ? Yes, it will hurt losing AD, Bess and Foreman, but we will also be adding 3 recruits to replace them in addition to the one open scholarship we currently have. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if we lose a current player or two along the way, opening up additional recruiting possibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted June 3, 2017 Share Posted June 3, 2017 I'm talking like post Greatest Show on Turf Rams come down. After 6 years of sweet 16's I can see Ford moving on and us having a few sub par seasons. Happens to most teams especially in our weight class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, almaman said: I'm talking like post Greatest Show on Turf Rams come down. After 6 years of sweet 16's I can see Ford moving on and us having a few sub par seasons. Happens to most teams especially in our weight class. Let's just enjoy the good times. By the way, a few schools in our weight class have been consistently good over a long period of time e.g. Xavier, Gonzaga, Creighton, Villanova, Wichita State, Butler and to a lesser degree Dayton. It is possible to maintain an excellent program over quite a few years, even with coaching changes, which all of the teams (except WSU) have experienced. I wouldn't take Ford leaving after 5-6 good years as a given. The only school he might certainly leave for is UK and his getting an offer from there is not a given. His youngest child will just be getting out of high school around that time and St. Louis will be considered home for the whole family by then. If we are able to step up to be competitive with regard to salary and facilities he might very well become another Few or Marshall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Just realized Hines not on this chart but listed on website's roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 30 minutes ago, almaman said: Just realized Hines not on this chart but listed on website's roster? Hines doesn't take up a scholarship and is not part of the scholarship rotation. He should be in the positional list, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, almaman said: Just realized Hines not on this chart but listed on website's roster? Neither is Psimitis. I didn't list either walk-on since I think they will only see mop-up minutes, if that. With the scholarship talent we have neither will play a role. Actually, I am not sure that Hines will even be with the team since he would be paying his own Masters program tuition when he might be able to play somewhere else free as a grad transfer. However, if you prefer we could list Hines as a #1 in the 2017-18 positional listing and Psimitis as a #2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VeniceMenace Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 9 hours ago, Old guy said: I completely agree that our rebounding will improve greatly going forward given the new players added to the team. How good we will be will depend upon how well the players mesh together into the team and playing system desired by Ford. They could be really excellent or less so, but surely much better than last season. Good observation, Old Guy--this means our chances of being really good next year are 50/50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 9 hours ago, bauman said: Neither is Psimitis. I didn't list either walk-on since I think they will only see mop-up minutes, if that. With the scholarship talent we have neither will play a role. Actually, I am not sure that Hines will even be with the team since he would be paying his own Masters program tuition when he might be able to play somewhere else free as a grad transfer. However, if you prefer we could list Hines as a #1 in the 2017-18 positional listing and Psimitis as a #2. no let's keep it real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Why would Hines be a grad transfer instead of continuing his world class education at SLU? He's gotten to live a dream and get the best of athletic and academic world for years. It makes no sense to leave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted June 4, 2017 Author Share Posted June 4, 2017 1 hour ago, STL Hoops Insider said: Why would Hines be a grad transfer instead of continuing his world class education at SLU? He's gotten to live a dream and get the best of athletic and academic world for years. It makes no sense to leave. Hoops: It's called $25,000 (or whatever a year of post-graduate education now costs at SLU). If he goes to another school as a grad trf, I assume he would be on a full scholarship. So let's see, be practice fodder and pay $???????? to do so OR play at a lesser D 1 program on scholarship? Is there really any decision, IF he is good enough to get an offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Many other schools able to give him a scholarship might not have as good a program as SLU, or being close to his family may be worth that much money to him. In other words there are many factors involved in this decision other than money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 Do you really think Hines will be forking up that cash. I am sure they will hook him up with top academic scholarships or even free grad tuition due to high grades or something. Hines is not paying out of pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 55 minutes ago, Glorydays2013 said: Do you really think Hines will be forking up that cash. I am sure they will hook him up with top academic scholarships or even free grad tuition due to high grades or something. Hines is not paying out of pocket. You can't give free tuition to athletes and not call it a scholarship. It would be the easiest way to avoid the 13 scholarship limit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted June 4, 2017 Share Posted June 4, 2017 5 minutes ago, kshoe said: You can't give free tuition to athletes and not call it a scholarship. It would be the easiest way to avoid the 13 scholarship limit... No but you can't deny them other ones that are not full tuition. I know that many athletes with partial scholarships also take the MLK scholarship Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 I expect we will see a transfer or two from the 18-19 team which will give us a scholie or two for another 18 grad. The only thing that scares me about the 18-19 roster is keeping Cuonzo out of Gordon's grill. Cuonzo's a full blown predator who has said a verbal doesn't mean squat to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL Hoops Insider Posted June 7, 2017 Share Posted June 7, 2017 Verbals mean nothing to most coaches. Their 6 and 7 figure salaries depend on recruiting the best available players and you recruit them until they tell you no. In fact at the NAIA level, there was/is no LOI program, so kids could sign with 1 school and attend another. You were never really sure if you had a kid until all schools had completed late registration. We had kids sign, workout the whole summer with the team, enroll in classes, attend orientation and then disappear without notice. Used us as a free gym membership to pit it nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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