NCAAA NET Rankings

[HoosierPal]

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

I kept looking, and looking for the Billikens.  Went down to 150 and then back up the list.  Where are we? 

Unbelievable 228.  Sure, it is very early, and the rankings will get turned upside down.  But 228?  Rule of thumb is that NET needs to be 45 or better for an At Large?

Dayton is at 40, and St. B second in the A10 at 57 with Rhody right behind at 58.  The rest of this list is too depressing to review.

Our opponent tonight, Jackson State, comes in at 349.  A massive win is ahead of us, but will our NET go up playing a bad, bad team? Our three D1 wins are all Q4. 

[Lord Elrond]

Brutal reality check for the Billikens.

Also for the A10, if these stay the same and Dayton wins the tournament, we’re a one bid league…

[wgstl]

24 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings

I kept looking, and looking for the Billikens.  Went down to 150 and then back up the list.  Where are we? 

Unbelievable 228.  Sure, it is very early, and the rankings will get turned upside down.  But 228?  Rule of thumb is that NET needs to be 45 or better for an At Large?

Dayton is at 40, and St. B second in the A10 at 57 with Rhody right behind at 58.  The rest of this list is too depressing to review.

Our opponent tonight, Jackson State, comes in at 349.  A massive win is ahead of us, but will our NET go up playing a bad, bad team? 

Not surprised. Blown out loss to a so-so team, too many close wins. 

[Dr Bird]

Well, at least there is lots of room for improvement.

We need Robbie to stay healthy and a quick recovery by Thames. 

Someone else needs to really step up, like AM, KJ or LH.

I was hoping that MP would have a role, but it appears he's not in the rotation this year.

I trust in CJS...there will be bumps along the way, but we'll be dangerous at A10 tourney time.

 

[Bay Area Billiken]

SLU's opponent this Thursday, USF(CA) has a NET of 52, which is second best on SLU's schedule behind #40 Dayton. 

[HoosierPal]

 

[Bay Area Billiken]

Here’s some good news- The A10 is #6 in Conference NET and tops among non-Power 5 conferences. 

[stmdragons]

Nm

[Bay Area Billiken]

So far JSU is quicker than SLU. The turnovers are killers.

[Lord Elrond]

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[Lord Elrond]

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[HoosierPal]

After the massive W last night, our NET went from 228 to 236.  Jackson State stayed at 349.

[Bay Area Billiken]

https://x.com/realpitino/status/1863949909071630720?s=46&t=jikm5nKg-NlIUjy2c9C9zw

While I do think the metrics play a role, Rick Pitino has a point. 

[HoosierPal]

3 hours ago, Bay Area Billiken said:

https://x.com/realpitino/status/1863949909071630720?s=46&t=jikm5nKg-NlIUjy2c9C9zw

While I do think the metrics play a role, Rick Pitino has a point. 

Wouldn't it be nice if we lost 200 points off our NET score and could take part in this discussion.

[Bay Area Billiken]

8 minutes ago, HoosierPal said:

Wouldn't it be nice if we lost 200 points off our NET score and could take part in this discussion.

It’s probably easier to lose 20 lbs. (which isn’t easy) than to advance 200 spots in the NET. 

Oh well. Get the team healthy, do the best possible in the remaining non-conference, strive for a Top 4 finish in the A10 and double bye in the A10 Tourney and win it in March!

Start by upsetting USF Thursday night. 

[Bay Area Billiken]

The RPI still exists, although the NCAA uses the NET in Men’s Basketball. SLU’s RPI is 182, compared to its NET of 236. This says to me SLU is dragged down by the underlying metrics. 

[billiken_roy]

1 hour ago, Bay Area Billiken said:

The RPI still exists, although the NCAA uses the NET in Men’s Basketball. SLU’s RPI is 182, compared to its NET of 236. This says to me SLU is dragged down by the underlying metrics. 

i would bet the farm that the net was designed to decrease the mid major's perception by the committee and the basketball world and force focus more on the blue bloods and big 5 conferences.   their dream is to have total control and participation from those power conferences and subject us to 1A status and forced to have a minor tournament.  F the Net

[Bay Area Billiken]

SLU is 149 in Pomeroy, 123 in Torvik, both of which seem more reasonable.  I'm surprised there's that much disparity between SLU's ranking in those two and the NET. 

Torvik has SLU as an 11.1 point underdog Thursday night at USF, predicted to fall 81-70.  USF is a good team, but not an invincible team.  USF's metrics:  NET 52, Torvik 60, Pomeroy 62, RPI 91. 

 

[HoosierPal]

6 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

i would bet the farm that the net was designed to decrease the mid major's perception by the committee and the basketball world and force focus more on the blue bloods and big 5 conferences.   their dream is to have total control and participation from those power conferences and subject us to 1A status and forced to have a minor tournament.  F the Net

I'm curious, how many acres is your farm?  I looked at buying some farmland somewhat near Freeburg, Illinois a decade ago, and land was running $7000+ per acre.  Oil rights messed up the deal.  How much per acre is your farm worth?  Guessing inflation has taken it up over $9K.  Any oil left under your farm?  Before you bet the farm, let's talk.

[billiken_roy]

18 hours ago, HoosierPal said:

I'm curious, how many acres is your farm?  I looked at buying some farmland somewhat near Freeburg, Illinois a decade ago, and land was running $7000+ per acre.  Oil rights messed up the deal.  How much per acre is your farm worth?  Guessing inflation has taken it up over $9K.  Any oil left under your farm?  Before you bet the farm, let's talk.

farm ground sales in our area are running $14-$18k these days.  

[Bay Area Billiken]

SLU's NET improved again overnight, this time to 211.  Playing #50 USF on The Hilltop evidently helped the cause. 

[Bay Area Billiken]

NCAA NET- SLU and SLU Opponents

Through Games of 12/9/24: 38 Dayton, 50 USF(CA), 54 URI, 55 Bona, 72 VCU, 73 Loyola Chicago, 80 Wichita, 83 Mason, 89 SCU, 122 GCU, 124 Joe’s, 131 Davidson, 145 IL ST, 150 LaSalle, 159 GW, 173 UMass-Lowell, 178 Wofford, 187 SLU, 194 LMU, 220 Fordham, 222 Quinnipiac, 266 UMass, 275 Richmond, 286 DUQ, 338 JACK ST, 360 Chicago St.

[Bay Area Billiken]

SLU Rankings:

NET 187

Pomeroy 149

ESPN BPI 130

RPI 161

Torvik T-Rank 135

Massey 135

 

SLU average of the above 6 rankings:  149.5. 

 

Comment:  Through my SLU Blue tinted lenses, I really think that 149.5 is a better barometer of this team than the 187 NET.  But the NET is the one that matters the most.  Also, given the circumstances, new coach, coming off a 13-20, 5-13 season, SLU's non-conference schedule is not as bad as some thought.  While playing the 2 NAIA teams is not optimal, playing those two avoids the likely playing of two more NET killing anchor weight types like Jackson State and Chicago State. 

 

A10 Conference NET 7. For comparison, the MVC is #10 in Conference NET. 

[Cowboy II]

2 hours ago, Bay Area Billiken said:

SLU Rankings:

NET 187

Pomeroy 149

ESPN BPI 130

RPI 161

Torvik T-Rank 135

Massey 135

 

SLU average of the above 6 rankings:  149.5. 

 

Comment:  Through my SLU Blue tinted lenses, I really think that 149.5 is a better barometer of this team than the 187 NET.  But the NET is the one that matters the most.  Also, given the circumstances, new coach, coming off a 13-20, 5-13 season, SLU's non-conference schedule is not as bad as some thought.  While playing the 2 NAIA teams is not optimal, playing those two avoids the likely playing of two more NET killing anchor weight types like Jackson State and Chicago State. 

 

A10 Conference NET 7. For comparison, the MVC is #10 in Conference NET. 

-KenPom has the confs as follows

1-SEC, 2-Big 10, 3-Big 12, 4-BEast, 5-ACC, 6-MtnWest, 7-WCC, 8-A10, 9-American, 10-CUSA, 11-MVC

[Bay Area Billiken]

Per the NET, through games of 1/1/25, the Power 4 (SEC, Big 12, Big Ten and ACC) would have 34 of the 37 NCAA At Large Bids. The SEC would have 12 NCAA At Large Bids, the Big 12 8, the Big Ten 11 and the ACC 3. 

The other 3 NCAA At Large Bids would go to the Big East (2) and the Mountain West (1). 

We are witnessing a near complete Power 4 takeover of the NCAA Tourney.

The only non-Power 5 leagues that extricate themselves from Juan Bid if the league's best NET team doesn't win its conference tourney are the American (#42 Memphis) and our A10 (#44 Dayton).  The NCAA cuts off at #46 San Diego State, the 2nd Mountain West NCAA team.  So even Memphis and Dayton are in precarious positions. 

SLU's NET is 148.  Other A10 NET's:  44 Dayton, 53 St. Bona, 68 VCU, 83 George Mason, 87 Rhode Island, 98 St. Joseph's, 113 Davidson, 133 Loyola Chicago, 150 George Washington, 152 La Salle, 180 Duquesne, 237 Fordham, 243 UMass, 273 Richmond.