Justin Tatum

[cgeldmacher]

2 hours ago, JMM28 said:

I'd need to see Tatum work his way up to SLU. Name the last successful first time head coach with zero college coaching experience? Most of the guys that have landed jobs like that are former NBA stars that also spent time coaching in the NBA. 

Rich Grawer.  Not disagreeing with your point, but Grawer coached us through some good years with Bonner, Douglass, Gray, etc.

[brianstl]

22 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:

Rich Grawer.  Not disagreeing with your point, but Grawer coached us through some good years with Bonner, Douglass, Gray, etc.

Grawer had one year as assistant at Mizzou before he got the SLU job.

[Dr Bird]

16 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:

Rich Grawer.  Not disagreeing with your point, but Grawer coached us through some good years with Bonner, Douglass, Gray, etc.

Rich had 1 year as an assistant to Norm Stewart. 

I agree that Grawer had plenty of success, especially with very limited support from admin. 

That said, I would not be in favor of hiring Tatum.  SLU is at a different place than the 80's when Rich was hired.  

Let's see how this year plays out.  If we have great success this year, this discussion will be moot.  Maybe Harriman is making a difference.  We'll soon know.

 

[thetorch]

This is just the same story we've heard over and over again.

Anytime SLU's HCing position is up a local HS coach must be considered.  It has made us seem small time for decades.  Tatum doesn't have enough qualifications to be the head coach here.

Why would we need local recruiters.  We have Corey Tate already.  Everyone locally loves Tate.  Has he gotten us the best STL players?  Not even close.  Tatum can't do better.  He isn't close to being that liked or respected.

[thatskablamo]

9 hours ago, billiken_roy said:

i agree with torch and find it hard to believe a fandom that is so intent of becoming more than an annual mid major also run would want to turn to a high school coach to take over their program.   

that said, if tatum goes to australia has success for a few years then comes back and serves his time going through a school's system and earns a shot, then i have no problem with that.   but to just hand him the keys to the car from the jump?   no way.

You’re old enough to remember Gerry Faust. Cincinnati Moeller to Notre Freaking Dame. 

[billiken_roy]

I don't remember Faust winning the national championship

[thatskablamo]

46 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:

I don't remember Faust winning the national championship

Hahahah not even close! No I was just echoing your sentiment that it’s foolish to take someone from the HS ranks to the upper echelon of college sports. Faust’s hiring was the death knell for Moose Krause. Going that route would be the death knell for any athletic director moving forward.
And, of course, Faust is a Dayton alum.  

[Pistol]

2 hours ago, thetorch said:

This is just the same story we've heard over and over again.

Anytime SLU's HCing position is up a local HS coach must be considered.  It has made us seem small time for decades.  Tatum doesn't have enough qualifications to be the head coach here.

Why would we need local recruiters.  We have Corey Tate already.  Everyone locally loves Tate.  Has he gotten us the best STL players?  Not even close.  Tatum can't do better.  He isn't close to being that liked or respected.

Ha, that's so true. I remember when people were talking about Floyd Irons when Romar left.

[almaman]

I was a fill the void with Floyd guy

[DOC]

I don’t get why anyone would want Tatum. Jerry Faust ran one of the most successful high school football programs in the country and failed miserably. Tatum didn’t even run the most successful program in St Louis. Does he come off as someone who would be a great recruiter? I mean he couldn’t even get his own kid to play for him. No thanks.