moytoy12 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 37 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: $8 million vs $2 trillion plus shut down the country. Not even close reaction. Apples and zebras. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drkelsey55 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said: Dr Kelsey, is your doctorate a PhD or an MD? Asking respectfully, as many MDs would not advance that observation this early in the epidemic. As I have previously mention in the past my name is D. R.(middle initial) Kelsey. I merrly have a personal oppinion about this topic. No degrees just livetime experiences. Never had a flu shot. Had the flu in 1966, lost 38 lbs in 3 days and ran a 105 degree temp. No flu since then. My sister in law is a nurse and you 2 would get along well on this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Thanks D. R., and 1919, MoyToy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, moytoy12 said: No one is saying that. What many are saying is that corona could overwhelm our health care infrastructure, which would result in far worse human and economic impacts than the seasonal flu. When is the last time the seasonal flu overwhelmed our system? The last time the media created a hysterical reaction akin to what the media did with this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 8 hours ago, SLU_Lax said: Regardless of whether or not you think it should be inflammatory to use that language, it is. It distracts from your other points and to no benefit. We might as well return to calling HIV/AIDS by the name Gay Cancer because it was first identified in the gay community and caused purple tumors to appear on the skin. Either way, I always enjoy your posts. I think you drive a lot of good discussions. I just think fighting about the name or using a non-medical name for the disease is distracting. What are we now supposed to call Norovirus, West Nile and MERS? People who are getting worked up about it being called Wuhan Virus and Chinese Virus are being manipulated by a campaign of the communist Chinese government to try to shift blame for their screw up onto the US. None of these people were worked up when the Washington Post in February had multiple headlines referring to it as both Wuhan Virus and the Chinese Virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: The last time the media created a hysterical reaction akin to what the media did with this I don’t know what you’re referring to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, SShoe said: Obviously that's a real question, but independent epidemiologists with the WHO at least seemed satisfied the numbers are real. https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf The WHO was parroting the Chinese government’s lies about this virus while the Chinese were jailing doctors who were trying to warn the world on charges of being subversive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billfan7 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: The last time the media created a hysterical reaction akin to what the media did with this If this is a media creation, then why are most countries facing this virus handling it the same way or even in a stricter fashion then the USA? It is a worldwide media conspiracy? Come on man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said: Thanks D. R., and 1919, MoyToy. But was that a seasonal flu? I honestly don’t know. Regardless, your point is well taken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: The last time the media created a hysterical reaction akin to what the media did with this My question was, when is the last time the seasonal flu overwhelmed our system? I’m really not sure what you’re talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 A bunch of things can all be true at the same time. The response we are getting now was needed. The length of the current response and possible escalation need to be weighed against the cost of further economic degradation. The Chinese government lied and probably continues to lie to the rest of the world. The people in power underestimated the threat. Almost everyone else underestimated the threat, too. The need to turn everything into a political narrative is more infectious than COVID-19. SLU_Lax, Billfan7 and Billiken Rich like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 55 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said: Dr Kelsey, is your doctorate a PhD or an MD? Asking respectfully, as many MDs would not advance that observation this early in the epidemic. or an avatar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Just to give people some perspective, South Korea managed to curtail their epidemic by testing at a rate of 600 tests/100,000 people, over 300,000 tests. They then drilled down into contact testing by using cell phone tracking of infected individuals. They added social distancing and directed quarantining, and most importantly, they tested early, and with massive numbers of tests. We now are at about 200 tests/100,000 people. Our testing numbers will explode once hospitals and the VA get their programs up and running. rgbilliken likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 15 minutes ago, Billfan7 said: If this is a media creation, then why are most countries facing this virus handling it the same way or even in a stricter fashion then the USA? It is a worldwide media conspiracy? Come on man. fake news where u been last four years? nasty ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said: Just to give people some perspective, South Korea managed to curtail their epidemic by testing at a rate of 600 tests/100,000 people. They then drilled down into contact testing by using cell phone tracking of infested individuals. They added social distancing and directed quarantining, and most importantly, they tested early, and with massive numbers of tests. We now are at about 200 tests/100,000 people. No country in the world was as prepared as well as South Korea, because no other country in the world has lived with the constant threat of a massive no warning biological attack for the last 50 years. It makes no sense to expect any other country in the world to be as prepared as the South Korea was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 33 minutes ago, moytoy12 said: I don’t know what you’re referring to. Exactly. The press has never created the hysterical panic like they have the last two months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Brian, right you are. They tracked infected individuals via cell phone gps back in time, and then went to businesses and public transit workers and tested them. They jumped all over this and fought it tooth and nail, which is reflected in their low, low infection rate. Seoul is 10 Million people and no hospitals are even at capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, billiken_roy said: Exactly. The press has never created the hysterical panic like they have the last two months Roy, maybe you never heard about the West Coast press agitating about the seditious Japanese-Americans, which resulted in 120,000 people being interred in relocation camps for the duration of WW2. Perhaps you remember the media frenzy over Iraq/Hussein trying to obtain enriched yellowcake from Niger, a fictitious piece of intelligence which helped tip us into a war with Iraq. Y2K was a good one, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 13 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said: Roy, maybe you never heard about the West Coast press agitating about the seditious Japanese-Americans, which resulted in 120,000 people being interred in relocation camps for the duration of WW2. Perhaps you remember the media frenzy over Iraq/Hussein trying to obtain enriched yellowcake from Niger, a fictitious piece of intelligence which helped tip us into a war with Iraq. Y2K was a good one, as well. there were actual attacks by the japanese on the west coast as well as the aleutian islands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 By Japanese-Americans throughout America, or from aircraft carriers at sea, Dennis? And here is another great stats filled article in the NYT. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/27/upshot/coronavirus-new-york-comparison.html?action=click&module=Spotlight&pgtype=Homepage and a good story on vaccine logistics https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/27/health/chicken-egg-flu-vaccine-intl-hnk-scli/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 15 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said: Roy, maybe you never heard about the West Coast press agitating about the seditious Japanese-Americans, which resulted in 120,000 people being interred in relocation camps for the duration of WW2. Perhaps you remember the media frenzy over Iraq/Hussein trying to obtain enriched yellowcake from Niger, a fictitious piece of intelligence which helped tip us into a war with Iraq. Y2K was a good one, as well. We were talking about flu vs this Chinese flu virus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
almaman Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 17 minutes ago, Sheltiedave said: Roy, maybe you never heard about the West Coast press agitating about the seditious Japanese-Americans, which resulted in 120,000 people being interred in relocation camps for the duration of WW2. Perhaps you remember the media frenzy over Iraq/Hussein trying to obtain enriched yellowcake from Niger, a fictitious piece of intelligence which helped tip us into a war with Iraq. Y2K was a good one, as well. and that stupid friggin' New Madrid fault scare awhile back. Sheltiedave likes this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennis_w Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 they were not aircraft carriers , but they were attacks. it is easy to look in hindsight and say it was terrible, but it was all out war and decisions had to be made in looking back they likely were bad ones. Americans died at the hands of japanese and it needs to be looked at in context. some very bloody battles took place in the aleutians and it was known there were many japanese spies in the hawaiian islands. context needs to be applied in looking back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 4 minutes ago, almaman said: and that stupid friggin' New Madrid fault scare awhile back. Good one. Iban Browning . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltiedave Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Dennis, both the Peal Harbor and the Aleutian Islands bases attacks were delivered from planes using Japanese Navy aircraft carriers at sea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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