DeSmetBilliken Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Just saw this at slubillikens.com: http://slubillikens.collegesports.com/spor.../092904aaa.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 Ouch! Wonder what happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I have no idea what he did but is anyone really surprised. I will be shocked if Justin ever makes a meaningfull contribution to the Bills.I will also be surprised if he plays out his eligability as a Billiken. He has yet to learn how to please his coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 That's not great news. I'd hoped he and "that f-er from Minnesota" would have breakout years and make Brad look like pure gold. I still have hope for Clarke. Is this a bradittude problem or worse? Inquiring minds want to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I dont' think anyone truly believed he would ever be a factor for the Billikens. In all the discussions we've had about this year's team, the talk about PF always was about Vasshun and IO. Too bad because I gather from everyone whose observed him thought he had the talent but the desire and heart was never there. Can't fault UB for taking a flyer on him, given the situation he inherited back in 2002, he needed bodies. Wonder what he did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 i totally agree with willie and slu72. the shame is the talent this young man has which is obvious when watching him in his rare bursts of "i care". too bad. let's hope justin realizes he is probably down to his last chance and finally wakes up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillikenButch Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 3/4 of the board was screaming to get him more playing time last year. For a team having trouble holding on to recruits, losing any player is big deal. That said, he did break the rules and I hope he can play his way back on the team. If not, then we have a shorter bench but hte rules are there for a reason. For the record, I have no expectation that he will play himself back onto the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 it is a good point butch that this is a serious happening. and the fact it comes at what i consider our weakest or at least most unproven position, power forward, speaks volumes for what he apparently did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iggy Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 I hope it's just a classroom thing and nothing embarassing for the program. (Like the stories that come out of Boone County) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillikenButch Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 If it is worthy of a press release, then I think it is a pretty big thing (or at least something that results in him not returning). It is probably not catastrophic, otherwise they would have kicked him off the team for good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted September 29, 2004 Share Posted September 29, 2004 It kind of looks like Coach Soderberg's patience with this young man is running out. It's up to Johnson to toe the mark or he won't be a Billiken anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjray Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 >It kind of looks like Coach Soderberg's patience with this >young man is running out. It's up to Johnson to toe the >mark or he won't be a Billiken anymore. I would guess that Schasz has the right take on the situation. Coach is running out of patience on JJ and he needs to straighten up / fly straight or his days as a Billiken are done. I've been pulling for my namesake to contribute. We don't exactly have spare athletic 6'8" players just hanging around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Tough case. JJ is not the first promising Billiken to flameout and won't be the last. I doubt if this is a serious offense. Any alcohol or drug thing would be news for the local scribes and would result in JJ being thrown out of school. This does not appear to be the case. Same with any type of law breaking. Most likely skipping class or some sort of repeated team rule breaking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shempie Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 out of shape and with a bad attitude and the coaches don't want that to influence the new players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brehms13 Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 I'm surprised, u would think JJ would already know he's skating on thin ice. But u live and learn, at least he can work is way back into the playing rotation. But it's time for Coach to put his foot down, u can't be soft in College Basketball. So many players take their opportunity for granted. He needs to remind his players that it's a hundred other kids prepared to take their place if they can't play hard, stay out of trouble, achieve acadmeically and respect the program. I can tell u from Nova, the coaches had NO problem sitting people down, or suspending them. Even if u were a senior, the star on the team, if your performance was poor, or your attitude was nasty, or your work ethic was one of failure, u didn't play. Truth be told that's why Reg racked up so much time in his Freshman year, the guys were taking their position for granted. When they started seeing Reg get their time, they slowly began to shape up, but eventually riding that bench more than they wanted to, because of their issues. Hopefully JJ and all the guys for that matter get it together. I'm not sure all the players put their all into the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 both of those reasons would make sense with the report that he will have the opportunity to work his way back onto the team. buying those reasons, he now has to work out by himself and demonstrate a top attitude to get back on the team. i was never a college level athlete, but i played a lot of sports in my day. i would have given about anything to have the physical skills and chance that justin has and it boggles my mind that he doesnt get it. too bad for the young man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 brehms, i for one really appreciate your input. i hope you never leave the board, even after reggie graduates. you are just a great poster that always has a point that is well worthy of continued discussion. thanks! here's hoping you are now a lifetime billiken! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brehms13 Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 I didn't hear that side of it, but I do know that JJ isn't the only player not in shape, with a bad attitude that coach is growing frustrated with. This JJ incident hopefully sent a message, that Coach isn't gonna tolerate any thing but your best effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 I concur Roy, Brehms is a great contributor. Wasn't there a rumor also that TF was out of shape as well? One would think these older guys would know what it takes to compete at the D-1 level by now. Are the coaches allowed to monitor a player in the off season by that I mean, checking on visits to the weight room, giving them a practice routine and following up on it, etc. for the life of me I can't figure out JJ. Here he's got almost a clear road to the starting PF and he chucks it aside. If this report is true you'd have to conclude he just doesn't have the desire for college hoops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 I think it takes a specific type of player to play for Brad -- he has a pretty short leash. That's probably why he prefers to spend as much time learning who the kid is as a person before offering. Huggy Bear and Calipari could care less and pretend to be father figures to wayward kids. Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brehms13 Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Well the guys that stayed for the summer, did work out and were supposed to be in the weight rooms etc. I know Reg did his weights, even when he came home, he would sit with our father during the day and in the evenings he would hit the weights.....So the opportunity was there for the guys to take advantage. I asked Reg last night what was up, of course he doesn't know anything for sure, coach told them same thing he told the news, so all they know is he still has a chance to get back into mix. I asked Reg, since he was his roommate last year, had he ever talked to JJ about Basketball etc.......how things work....he says all the time. But he can only talk, JJ is a grown man and makes his own decisions, plus he said some of the players are young and they'll learn as they grow. Tom had individual workouts (away from the team) but has started back with the team this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 i have heard that huggins is a demon in practices for the bearcats. as mean as it gets. however i concur on scum calipari. his whole success seems to be about loading the roster. and he is as good of a recruiter as there is. pitino is the coach to study. i was lucky enough to have seats 2 rows back at the conference tourney two seasons ago and got to watch pitino up close. he was never the bad guy. each assistant coach had charge of part of the roster. if a player screwed up in the game, pitino went over and chewed out that assistant coach. during a timeout, you would see each assistant run out to greet "his players" and give the necessary negative feedback. in the huddle, pitino was all about motivation and instruction. i can only believe the practices are the same way. while i am not a fan of "slick rick" that doesnt mean i dont respect the hell out of his results. you sure cant argue with what he has accomplished. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Maybe this year will be different but at Louisville he hasn't accomplished jack. And without Sebastian Telfair, he doesn't have a point guard . . . again. I have to give him credit for having his guys ready at the beginning of the season but his Louisville teams seem to improve very little throughout the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 first off he has only been there 3 years. and he didnt inherit a powerhouse as crum had let things fall off pretty badly if you consider the louisville history. telfair would never have fit any system anyway. too selfish. imo his not coming was not as big a setback as it appears. i love garcia. imo he is the pippen of college basketball. while he isnt the point guard per se, you will see him involved all the time and the offense will always run through him. right now, i think he is a great candidate to be poy. as to what louisville has or has not accomplished, pitino got them back to the ncaa tourney and has consistently had them in the upper echelon's of the rated teams. a lot of programs would consider any of the last three seasons of the louisville team a high mark in their history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseugnekillib Posted September 30, 2004 Share Posted September 30, 2004 Last year many posters had a difficult time understanding how RV got minutes and the more athletic JJ didn't. The topic of this thread should confirm that answer. Most coaches will take dedication, determination, hustle, work ethic and bball brains over pure athleticism, as was the case last year between RV and JJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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