kshoe Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8236949/ncaa-increases-minimum-eligibility-standards-division-student-athletes The key stat may be that 43% of basketball players that enrolled in 09-10 would be ineligible per the new rules that are set to be effective in 2016. That's an eye-opener. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8236949/ncaa-increases-minimum-eligibility-standards-division-student-athletes The key stat may be that 43% of basketball players that enrolled in 09-10 would be ineligible per the new rules that are set to be effective in 2016. That's an eye-opener. Thoughts? Seems like this may put a hurt on the basketball academy places schools for a senior year transfer. Although I wonder how this effects people like Jordair who attend a prep school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 i think this is fantastic. the more the student athletes are actually students the better imo. let the nba and nfl develop their own minor leagues. these kids should be in college first and formost to be students. second athletes. now we will see if they actually enforce it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 i think this is fantastic. the more the student athletes are actually students the better imo. let the nba and nfl develop their own minor leagues. these kids should be in college first and formost to be students. second athletes. now we will see if they actually enforce it. +100 - if the Brandon Jennings of the world don't want to study at schools like the U of Arizona and are only in it for the money, let them go to Europe before testing the murkiness of the NBA Draft waters. I think we all witnessed the true passion and dedication of what it takes to be a student-athlete and that was Conklin's post-game interview in Columbus. We would never see that kind of emotion pour out of the Anthony Davises of the world. If you're a true college basketball fan, that has to be one of the most lasting images of 2012, because that's what college basketball is all about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 it is very revealing that the only quotes against it are from the big boy coaches like self and williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 +100 - if the Brandon Jennings of the world don't want to study at schools like the U of Arizona and are only in it for the money, let them go to Europe before testing the murkiness of the NBA Draft waters. I think we all witnessed the true passion and dedication of what it takes to be a student-athlete and that was Conklin's post-game interview in Columbus. We would never see that kind of emotion pour out of the Anthony Davises of the world. If you're a true college basketball fan, that has to be one of the most lasting images of 2012, because that's what college basketball is all about. HATE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I still don't know why the NBDL doesn't make themselves a place for these guys that don't want to go to college. The NBA should allow HS Sr's to be drafted and spend a year on a NBDL team. It might even make the 2nd round of the draft important, plus it would give these kids a route that may be better suited for them. Their career is to play ball even if it never gets above the level of the NBDL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I still don't know why the NBDL doesn't make themselves a place for these guys that don't want to go to college. The NBA should allow HS Sr's to be drafted and spend a year on a NBDL team. It might even make the 2nd round of the draft important, plus it would give these kids a route that may be better suited for them. Their career is to play ball even if it never gets above the level of the NBDL. i dont blame the nba. the ncaa does the work for them at no developmental cost. coachwise, nbdl = quinn snyder etc ncaa = roy williams etc. current system is a winner for the nba. ironically i think the ncaa thinks they need these no student athletes to make their game attractive, but i have long believed the old saying that college basketball is about the name on the front of the jersey while the nba is about the name on the back of the jersey. i.e. the fans care about their program at the college level and will come out regardless of whether they have an nba player on their roster or not if the team has relative success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 i think this is fantastic. the more the student athletes are actually students the better imo. let the nba and nfl develop their own minor leagues. these kids should be in college first and formost to be students. second athletes. now we will see if they actually enforce it. Yeah, and the Olympic basketball team should be limited to amateurs. Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 i havent watched olympic basketball since allen (it's just practice) iverson was on the team and lost. f the nba olympians Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 I still don't know why the NBDL doesn't make themselves a place for these guys that don't want to go to college. The NBA should allow HS Sr's to be drafted and spend a year on a NBDL team. It might even make the 2nd round of the draft important, plus it would give these kids a route that may be better suited for them. Their career is to play ball even if it never gets above the level of the NBDL. -skip, i would guess the reason is because in the scenario of these players going to the developmental league the league has to pay for it, in the current model the colleges/universities pay for that season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Yeah, and the Olympic basketball team should be limited to amateurs. Good luck with that. While not entirely amateurs, by the next Olympics basketball will be U-23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 -very interesting topic, i am all for college sports being played by college students so i think this should be a step in the right direction, however with the money involved now in fball and bball this in some ways is trying to put the genie back in the bottle, i hope it works -i guess the presidents approved this without input from coaches, good for them -a few points with my perspective from the article - from the article - fretting about being allowed to play in college - imo you earn your ability to play in college first by being eligible to be in college, potential college student athlete you should be fretting about your upcoming chemistry test or english paper -the comment about high schools being the reason some kids don't qualify is trying to shift the responsibility imo, i would suspect even in the worst of high schools parents and the right teachers/counselers can get a kid ready for college, i have no evidence or examples pro or con -so a partial qualifier comes and in semester one passes 9 credit hours and they can play the next season?? that is not staying on course to graduate and why not make the determination after two semesters? the kid isn't playing in the second semester anyway -from the article...Life would be a lot rosier if student-athletes arrived on campus actually ready for college.--if they are students then why are they not ready for college? put the athlete part on the end and it seems a lot of perspective is gone -this i agree with...Why do we need an army of learning specialists at our schools? Why do we need to remediate athletes so that they can learn how to read beyond the fourth-grade level? Is that appropriate? Is that what college is supposed to be about? I don't think so. -do the big boys using this as a way to form their own 'assocation' and say good bye to the ncaa? -on one of the Costas shows either Bob or one of his guests said somehting like instead of showing how students are enrolled at xyz school show the team gpa or other measure of academic standing, i agree -i sound like an old fuddy duddy, so be it, it is what i believe college sports should be about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Is that a done deal or a proposal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 My question is on the olympics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 Anytime the academic standards for playing college sports are raised, it will go a long way to help the schools where the academics have always been important. I agree with others in hoping that this will be enforced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 cowboy i think a big part of today's college "student athletes" not being ready to be college students is a false sense by the student athletes while in high school and even grade school that all that matters is their level of athletic play and they dont need to be academic ready. If they are good enough, someone will get them in the back door. sadly some of the top academic institutions in the world are the ones opening those backdoors now. if the rules change and it is being enforced, those kids that really want to go to college (even if there is a misguided want to be sport first, classroom second), will begin the trend of looking at their bookwork more seriously at a younger age. there will always be those that believe it doesnt matter, and there will always be the coach that cheats the system to get someone in as a welder or a hotel management major or a fake physical education major to enable them to play their sport, but hopefully the overwhelming trend becomes more serious student athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted August 8, 2012 Share Posted August 8, 2012 -skip, i would guess the reason is because in the scenario of these players going to the developmental league the league has to pay for it, in the current model the colleges/universities pay for that season I get why, but lets say you have player A who is clearly not a college student out of HS. Right now the NBA doesn't touch him and he either fakes it a year many times doing great or as is trending goes to Europe Could you get some of those guys on 2-3 year "minor league" deals to forgo the fake college experience or Europe for a few hundred K? The kid's getting paid, developing under an NBA system with the opportunity to make the NBA roster after a year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted August 8, 2012 Author Share Posted August 8, 2012 My question is on the olympics. It isn't a done deal but it appears highly likely. The NBA owners don't want their best playing for free and risking injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milwaukeebill Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I still don't know why the NBDL doesn't make themselves a place for these guys that don't want to go to college. The NBA should allow HS Sr's to be drafted and spend a year on a NBDL team. It might even make the 2nd round of the draft important, plus it would give these kids a route that may be better suited for them. Their career is to play ball even if it never gets above the level of the NBDL. I am nearly certain that a high school senior is allowed to go the NBDL and then get drafted the next year. I would bet a couple rounds on that. The question is: do i want to go get coached by the likes of Alex Jensen or Bill Self/Mike K/John C/Jim B? And if I can't get into school ala Brandon Jennings - do i want to be paid 1 million like BJ3 was or do i want to be paid $20k? And lastly, performing well in NCAA/Int'l ball is way more highly regarding then performing well in NBDL ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted August 9, 2012 Share Posted August 9, 2012 I am nearly certain that a high school senior is allowed to go the NBDL and then get drafted the next year. I would bet a couple rounds on that. The question is: do i want to go get coached by the likes of Alex Jensen or Bill Self/Mike K/John C/Jim B? And if I can't get into school ala Brandon Jennings - do i want to be paid 1 million like BJ3 was or do i want to be paid $20k? And lastly, performing well in NCAA/Int'l ball is way more highly regarding then performing well in NBDL ball. They are actually probably better off getting coached by Jensen and his staff. Their sole responsibility is developing the skills of the players to play at the next level vs. playing at a college program where the sole responsibility is winning basketball games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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