Box and Won Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Duquesne won! Houston beat Rhode Island in OT, 102-99 Fordham lost a close game to Tennessee, 78-71 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleBilliken Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 I went to the UT/Fordham game last night down at the GEC. I really wasn't impressed with either team...but I did miss most of the first half. Dunston was clearly the best big man on the floor, IMO. He had one awesome one handed slam over two Tennessee defenders. But when UT turned up the intensity they handled FU pretty easily. They just had trouble mainting it. Fordham had loads of problems against the UT press...only broke it a few times. I hope we can implement a press successfully. Two things really stood out. One is that Fordham seemed quite small. I don't know if it was just my seats, but they didn't appear to be on any sort of weight training program. I'm not sure how that can be in this day and age. The other thing was that neither team had a traditional center. Dunston is more of that 4-5 combo, IMO. I think that is where we will really have a step up on several teams. Ian just gives us a weapon that not many people have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillikenTX Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Bobby Knight had a run in with one of his players last night after sophmore guard Michael Prince committed two fouls in a row. Knight called timeout and when Prince held his head down Knight grabbed his chin and instructed him to look at him when he is talking to him. Prince's parents were in the crowd and defended Knight for his actions. One would assume Tx Tech would not punish coach Knight for this because much of the admin in Lubbock fears Knight plus that nice extension he signed earlier this year can't hurt. The link is below: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/bask...t.ap/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 He did more than grab his chin, he gave a little pop to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 If the kids parents are ok with it, I don't know why anyone else would have a problem. They know the kid pretty well and probably have a clue as to what the kid needs. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H Waldman Official Sponser of Slu72's bid to join the Billiken Blue Kool Aid Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 I don't think that makes it right at all. Maybe the parents don't mind because they believe in physical discipline, but I don't think that makes them right either. This is obviously a difference in ideologies so I hope this doesn't become a board debate. Some think being physically tough on a player or child is okay, I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Bobbie Knight is a thug. He has bullied people his whole career. Some people say he is all about dicipline,great then why can't he controle himself. He should have been kicked out of the game 25 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 What I really think is it is none of anyone else's business. It's between the kid and Coach Knight ... maybe his parents. I don't like alot of what he does ... but I don't know the whole situation to make a judgement or to even really have an opinion. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H Waldman Official Sponser of Slu72's bid to join the Billiken Blue Kool Aid Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorB Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 you said: If the kids parents are ok with it, I don't know why anyone else would have a problem sorry, gotta respond. many parents are "ok with" lots of bad stuff. they are OK with their daughter sleeping with professors, but the university should not tolerate it. they might be ok with heavy drinking, but the school is not. just a few examples. main point: I doubt if many folks at the school are "ok with" this incident, given Coach Knight's long history. Plus it is always going to be overblown and over-advertised by the cruel media sharks who pander to controversy. If you do not think the perception is the key to this, then you are missing my point. Perceptions like this one (with long history) are very potent and they are a problem. fasten your seat belts -- the media will make a mountain out of this, and in fact it may not even be a mole-hill. Knight's anger problems are pretty well documented, and who knows (other than the players and coaches) what other stuff he has been doing behind closed doors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 the point about his own self discipline is good. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H Waldman Official Sponser of Slu72's bid to join the Billiken Blue Kool Aid Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 "It was nothing," Prince told the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal after Monday night's game. "He was trying to teach me and I had my head down, so he raised my chin up. He was telling me to go out there and don't be afraid to make mistakes. He said I was being too hard on myself." ..... Prince's mother, Suzette Prince, told the Avalanche-Journal that she and her husband, Mike, were sitting across from the Tech bench and she doesn't feel this should be an issue. "We talked with Michael and he had just committed two fouls in a row," Suzette Prince said. "He told us that Coach Knight was asking him if he's ready to play. He said they needed him ready to play." She said she didn't think Knight should be reprimanded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 we disagree ... And to take my statement to the extreme with the kids sleeping with proffessors is wrong. My response was to this incident. Knight grabbing a kids chin and pulling his face to look at him. The parents were there and saw it and didn't have a problem, apparently the kid didn't have a problem either ... Official Billikens.com sponsor of H Waldman Official Sponser of Slu72's bid to join the Billiken Blue Kool Aid Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorB Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 funny, and weird, and sort of pathetic how this stuff escalates. . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 If you want a good read on Bobby, "Season on the Brink" by John Feinstein is very entertaining. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 if not for knight's history, you may be right, but due to his bullying and stupid escapades over the years, knight doesnt deserve that take. he should and probably is on double secret probation no matter how insignificant the act appears. knight should have known better and once again believed he was above the rules. he needs to go away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlecat455 Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Doc, I fail to see how your examples are relevant to the issue at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorB Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Mr. Skip -- I was just taking your own stated logic to its ultimate expression. universities are not in the business of allowing or endorsing what parents endorse. sleeping with professors was just a silly example of where this logic might take us. surely you see that, yes? i.e. your logic was not very compelling. actually, in this case, a university has to worry about lots of other PR related things, besides whether the parents are upset or not. again, this is my point. the university is certainly worried right now about how this will affect their image. like I said, perceptions are very real and very influential. this will probably, and predictably, become big news, whether it deserves it or not. and, as I said, it might deserve it. I personally would not call Knight a "thug" but I think he obviously is an autocrat with a major anger problem, which he has, by the way, admitted to in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NashvilleBilliken Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Are we to the point were this is even an issue? He wasn't trying to hurt the kid...he said he look at me. The player has to endure so much more than that whenever he steps on the court. And people are trying to make this into a bid deal because he touched the kid on the chin? Look at the tape, he moved his wrist 3 inches. How much power was generated there. There was no malicious intent, no physical harm, and it is being blown WAY out of proportion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Also Receiving Votes Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 Hell, I'd let Coach Knight beat the hell out of my kid if it made him concentrate on the game instead of the Co-eds in Lubbock. I'm sure all you guys on the board would let Bobby beat the hell out of me, but that's for another day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 The issue is this - just because a the kid's parents are OK with Knight assaulting their kid does not absolve it of being against the law. If you did that to somebody on the street the absolutely could have you arrested. Now that does not mean that you would be convicted per se but you would have a hard time getting out it scott free. What Knight did was wrong and he should not and can not be given a free pass for it just because people say this is nothing new for him or that the kid's parents are OK with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 14, 2006 Share Posted November 14, 2006 my logic was right on the money regarding this incident. I clearly wasn't talking about all situations in the world ... I was talking about this one. I did not say that anything the parents have no problem with ... is ok. Obviously thats not true ... some parents have molested their own kids, some have sold them, I could go on and on. I don't think you would expect every statement you make to be taken out of context and to the most extreme example. I still say there was nothing wrong with this situation and I think the kids statement along with the parents statements reinforce that. We may disagree and thats fine. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H Waldman Official Sponser of Slu72's bid to join the Billiken Blue Kool Aid Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorB Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 thanks, o man of mozarella. I feel better knowing that my limpid voice is being heard, even if it is by a person of the cheddar persuasion. KEY: whether the parents or the kid is "ok with it" is not decisive. I am surprised that some of you still want to split haris over that seemingly obvious view, but there it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 I don't think he assaulted the kid ... did you read what the kid said? If that was assult there would be a hell of alot more assault cases in the U.S. imo ... even remotely considering that assault is ridiculous. Sounds like some just have a vendetta against Knight. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H Waldman Official Sponser of Slu72's bid to join the Billiken Blue Kool Aid Club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 Skippy - I could care less about Knight. Granted I would not have hired him if I was at TT because a loose cannon will always have trouble around him. All I was saying was that if you hit or lay your hands on someone, they can file a police report and have you arrested. As I said before, just because you are arrested does not mean you will be convicted but it is not easy to get out of that entire situation unscathed. What Knight did was wrong - period. If TT is OK with that then that is their call but that still does not make it right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted November 15, 2006 Share Posted November 15, 2006 If that little tap was assault, we are damend lucky that Coach Brad wasn't charged with un lawful restraint, assault, and perhaps gang rape over a certain incident last year. I don't like Bobby any better than Roy but this is a huge mountain made over a pathetic little molehill...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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