davidnark Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I have read more nonsense on this board in recent weeks than I have in a long time. I have read ridiculous things like we have no plan or strategy, we don't recruit, Crews can't coach, we are light years behind Dayton's program, we have no talent, etc. It is a bunch of nonsense. Unless your name is Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or North Carolina, college basketball is a game of recruiting cycles. A few years ago IU was everyone's top team, this year they were thrilled to be in the tournament. In recent years, a lot of top teams haven't made the tournament or have been in the tournament but haven't won games. This includes programs like UCLA, Iowa, Oklahoma State, UNLV, and Utah. Dayton was awful for years before last year. Where is Mizzou, Marquette, Illinois, etc.? Gonzaga and Xavier are extreme outliers, not the norm. Getting in the tournament and winning a game isn't easy. It is a difficult process that can start with a 5-win season followed by a 12-win season (1991-1993) or a 12-win season (2010-11). This year, we have a core group or talented freshmen who needed experience, coaching, and strength and fitness training. I watched every game from the 90s team and every game from the Majerus' team. This year's group of freshmen is similar and, in many ways, better. All the people trashing Gillmann don't understand basketball; you don't find kids his size with his hands and coordination. Bartley has a combo of handles, shot, and height we have rarely had at a guard. Roby is the kind-of doing everything athlete we always complain about not having on our roster. Milk can flat out play; did anyone else notice his game fell off when he lost his legs? Reggie and Crawford showed us a lot last month. Like everyone on this board, I hoped for more this year. However, I remember running into a very connected poster on this board a few weeks before the season. He had seen the team practice multiple times and had spent time with those close to the team. His comment was that the kids have a ton of talent but little clue. He said it was going to be a rough year and we would be lucky to finish .500; he also said this group should provide the long-term core to get us back to the tournament and beyond. Everything he said six months ago still rings true. Oh yeah, I am guessing Crews still knows a little bit about coaching and recruiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I have read more nonsense on this board in recent weeks than I have in a long time. I have read ridiculous things like we have no plan or strategy, we don't recruit, Crews can't coach, we are light years behind Dayton's program, we have no talent, etc. It is a bunch of nonsense. Unless your name is Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or North Carolina, college basketball is a game of recruiting cycles. A few years ago IU was everyone's top team, this year they were thrilled to be in the tournament. In recent years, a lot of top teams haven't made the tournament or have been in the tournament but haven't won games. This includes programs like UCLA, Iowa, Oklahoma State, UNLV, and Utah. Dayton was awful for years before last year. Where is Mizzou, Marquette, Illinois, etc.? Gonzaga and Xavier are extreme outliers, not the norm. Getting in the tournament and winning a game isn't easy. It is a difficult process that can start with a 5-win season followed by a 12-win season (1991-1993) or a 12-win season (2010-11). This year, we have a core group or talented freshmen who needed experience, coaching, and strength and fitness training. I watched every game from the 90s team and every game from the Majerus' team. This year's group of freshmen is similar and, in many ways, better. All the people trashing Gillmann don't understand basketball; you don't find kids his size with his hands and coordination. Bartley has a combo of handles, shot, and height we have rarely had at a guard. Roby is the kind-of doing everything athlete we always complain about not having on our roster. Milk can flat out play; did anyone else notice his game fell off when he lost his legs? Reggie and Crawford showed us a lot last month. Like everyone on this board, I hoped for more this year. However, I remember running into a very connected poster on this board a few weeks before the season. He had seen the team practice multiple times and had spent time with those close to the team. His comment was that the kids have a ton of talent but little clue. He said it was going to be a rough year and we would be lucky to finish .500; he also said this group should provide the long-term core to get us back to the tournament and beyond. Everything he said six months ago still rings true. Oh yeah, I am guessing Crews still knows a little bit about coaching and recruiting. Well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Good post...I agree with most of what you say, except for the Dayton part. They've had 3 losing seasons in the last 20 years and been to 7 NITs and 6 NCAAs over that span. That's far from 'awful'. We were undoubtedly spoiled for the past 3 seasons, which is what I think fuels a lot of this negativity. However, the fact that this was the worst season in ~25 years is certainly cause for a little concern. Next year is going to be a litmus test measuring the progression of this team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I have read more nonsense on this board in recent weeks than I have in a long time. I have read ridiculous things like we have no plan or strategy, we don't recruit, Crews can't coach, we are light years behind Dayton's program, we have no talent, etc. It is a bunch of nonsense. Unless your name is Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or North Carolina, college basketball is a game of recruiting cycles. A few years ago IU was everyone's top team, this year they were thrilled to be in the tournament. In recent years, a lot of top teams haven't made the tournament or have been in the tournament but haven't won games. This includes programs like UCLA, Iowa, Oklahoma State, UNLV, and Utah. Dayton was awful for years before last year. Where is Mizzou, Marquette, Illinois, etc.? Gonzaga and Xavier are extreme outliers, not the norm. Getting in the tournament and winning a game isn't easy. It is a difficult process that can start with a 5-win season followed by a 12-win season (1991-1993) or a 12-win season (2010-11). This year, we have a core group or talented freshmen who needed experience, coaching, and strength and fitness training. I watched every game from the 90s team and every game from the Majerus' team. This year's group of freshmen is similar and, in many ways, better. All the people trashing Gillmann don't understand basketball; you don't find kids his size with his hands and coordination. Bartley has a combo of handles, shot, and height we have rarely had at a guard. Roby is the kind-of doing everything athlete we always complain about not having on our roster. Milk can flat out play; did anyone else notice his game fell off when he lost his legs? Reggie and Crawford showed us a lot last month. Like everyone on this board, I hoped for more this year. However, I remember running into a very connected poster on this board a few weeks before the season. He had seen the team practice multiple times and had spent time with those close to the team. His comment was that the kids have a ton of talent but little clue. He said it was going to be a rough year and we would be lucky to finish .500; he also said this group should provide the long-term core to get us back to the tournament and beyond. Everything he said six months ago still rings true. Oh yeah, I am guessing Crews still knows a little bit about coaching and recruiting. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Good post...I agree with most of what you say, except for the Dayton part. They've had 3 losing seasons in the last 20 years and been to 7 NITs and 6 NCAAs over that span. That's far from 'awful'. We were undoubtedly spoiled for the past 3 seasons, which is what I think fuels a lot of this negativity. However, the fact that this was the worst season in ~25 years is certainly cause for a little concern. Next year is going to be a litmus test measuring the progression of this team. Before last year, Dayton had made one NCAA tournament since 2004 and had won one game. By the standards of the current trolls on this board, they should have considered disbanding their program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Before last year, Dayton had made one NCAA tournament since 2004 and had won one game. By the standards of the current trolls on this board, they should have considered disbanding their program. Point taken. I guess I'm in the minority because I consider an NIT bid a solid season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I have read more nonsense on this board in recent weeks than I have in a long time. I have read ridiculous things like we have no plan or strategy, we don't recruit, Crews can't coach, we are light years behind Dayton's program, we have no talent, etc. It is a bunch of nonsense. Unless your name is Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or North Carolina, college basketball is a game of recruiting cycles. A few years ago IU was everyone's top team, this year they were thrilled to be in the tournament. In recent years, a lot of top teams haven't made the tournament or have been in the tournament but haven't won games. This includes programs like UCLA, Iowa, Oklahoma State, UNLV, and Utah. Dayton was awful for years before last year. Where is Mizzou, Marquette, Illinois, etc.? Gonzaga and Xavier are extreme outliers, not the norm. Getting in the tournament and winning a game isn't easy. It is a difficult process that can start with a 5-win season followed by a 12-win season (1991-1993) or a 12-win season (2010-11). This year, we have a core group or talented freshmen who needed experience, coaching, and strength and fitness training. I watched every game from the 90s team and every game from the Majerus' team. This year's group of freshmen is similar and, in many ways, better. All the people trashing Gillmann don't understand basketball; you don't find kids his size with his hands and coordination. Bartley has a combo of handles, shot, and height we have rarely had at a guard. Roby is the kind-of doing everything athlete we always complain about not having on our roster. Milk can flat out play; did anyone else notice his game fell off when he lost his legs? Reggie and Crawford showed us a lot last month. Like everyone on this board, I hoped for more this year. However, I remember running into a very connected poster on this board a few weeks before the season. He had seen the team practice multiple times and had spent time with those close to the team. His comment was that the kids have a ton of talent but little clue. He said it was going to be a rough year and we would be lucky to finish .500; he also said this group should provide the long-term core to get us back to the tournament and beyond. Everything he said six months ago still rings true. Oh yeah, I am guessing Crews still knows a little bit about coaching and recruiting. definitely a good post. i notice you didn't have anything complimentary to say about jolly. can we assume he's out the door? if not, i'm hoping he can shoot at least 35% from the paint next year. that would be a nice bump! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 definitely a good post. i notice you didn't have anything complimentary to say about jolly. can we assume he's out the door? if not, i'm hoping he can shoot at least 35% from the paint next year. that would be a nice bump!I'm one of your biggest fans on here but I still don't understand why you need to keep piling on an 18 year old that for all intents and purposes should have redshirted but was not afforded the opportunity because we needed him to be available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm one of your biggest fans on here but I still don't understand why you need to keep piling on an 18 year old that for all intents and purposes should have redshirted but was not afforded the opportunity because we needed him to be available I agree. The wash basin bullsh#t last year and now this? Grow up and act like a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 definitely a good post. i notice you didn't have anything complimentary to say about jolly. can we assume he's out the door? if not, i'm hoping he can shoot at least 35% from the paint next year. that would be a nice bump! Freshman BIG Jolly contributed this year. And if he gets stronger he will contribute a lot more. A 6'9" man near the hoop on "D" always comes in handy. We need to be deep at the "4" and "5" positions, as we will not get a 5 star center, will we? A 4 star? Do you think we will? No, so we need to recruit BIGs depth a la Majerus (again: Conklin-Remekun-Ellis-Evans-Loe-Glaze got us there!). Jolly needs to dedicate himself to getting physically stronger to be a significant presence for us inside. Will he? It is well worth it to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlumniFan Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I have read more nonsense on this board in recent weeks than I have in a long time. I have read ridiculous things like we have no plan or strategy, we don't recruit, Crews can't coach, we are light years behind Dayton's program, we have no talent, etc. It is a bunch of nonsense. Unless your name is Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, or North Carolina, college basketball is a game of recruiting cycles. A few years ago IU was everyone's top team, this year they were thrilled to be in the tournament. In recent years, a lot of top teams haven't made the tournament or have been in the tournament but haven't won games. This includes programs like UCLA, Iowa, Oklahoma State, UNLV, and Utah. Dayton was awful for years before last year. Where is Mizzou, Marquette, Illinois, etc.? Gonzaga and Xavier are extreme outliers, not the norm. Getting in the tournament and winning a game isn't easy. It is a difficult process that can start with a 5-win season followed by a 12-win season (1991-1993) or a 12-win season (2010-11). This year, we have a core group or talented freshmen who needed experience, coaching, and strength and fitness training. I watched every game from the 90s team and every game from the Majerus' team. This year's group of freshmen is similar and, in many ways, better. All the people trashing Gillmann don't understand basketball; you don't find kids his size with his hands and coordination. Bartley has a combo of handles, shot, and height we have rarely had at a guard. Roby is the kind-of doing everything athlete we always complain about not having on our roster. Milk can flat out play; did anyone else notice his game fell off when he lost his legs? Reggie and Crawford showed us a lot last month. Like everyone on this board, I hoped for more this year. However, I remember running into a very connected poster on this board a few weeks before the season. He had seen the team practice multiple times and had spent time with those close to the team. His comment was that the kids have a ton of talent but little clue. He said it was going to be a rough year and we would be lucky to finish .500; he also said this group should provide the long-term core to get us back to the tournament and beyond. Everything he said six months ago still rings true. Oh yeah, I am guessing Crews still knows a little bit about coaching and recruiting. Very well put...even for a junior Bill. ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I agree. The wash basin bullsh#t last year and now this? Grow up and act like a fan. i'm not saying anything more upsetting than what his own coach should be saying to him. he seems to be a good teammate, but the only defense he can play is falling down and he obviously hasn't shot the ball for thus far. obviously, he didn't take quite enough shots to qualify for worst shooter in college basketball, but he was close. had he qualified, he'd have been the sixth worst shooter in D1. those are pretty much exclusively guards on that list, too. he put up piss poor numbers last season, after putting up pretty piss poor numbers in high school. 8 points and 6 boards. i just never thought he was going to pan out. i still don't. if he reads what i and others have written, he either gets fired up about it and shoves it up our asses, or he doesn't, and he gets passed up on the depth chart, and either sits the bench, or leaves. you're right, though. he is a billiken, and i guess i'll keep my mouth shut. brett jolly doesn't owe me . but still better show something or the coaches will be on the phone with lindenwood this time next year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm one of your biggest fans on here but I still don't understand why you need to keep piling on an 18 year old that for all intents and purposes should have redshirted but was not afforded the opportunity because we needed him to be available The same could be said about your constant hammering of MY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The same could be said about your constant hammering of MY. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 The same could be said about your constant hammering of MY. Fair but I haven't mentioned yarbrough in at least a week, mostly because the seasons over and I've let it go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 i'm not saying anything more upsetting than what his own coach should be saying to him. he seems to be a good teammate, but the only defense he can play is falling down and he obviously hasn't shot the ball for ###### thus far. obviously, he didn't take quite enough shots to qualify for worst shooter in college basketball, but he was close. had he qualified, he'd have been the sixth worst shooter in D1. those are pretty much exclusively guards on that list, too. he put up piss poor numbers last season, after putting up pretty piss poor numbers in high school. 8 points and 6 boards. i just never thought he was going to pan out. i still don't. if he reads what i and others have written, he either gets fired up about it and shoves it up our asses, or he doesn't, and he gets passed up on the depth chart, and either sits the bench, or leaves. you're right, though. he is a billiken, and i guess i'll keep my mouth shut. brett jolly doesn't owe me ######. but still better show something or the coaches will be on the phone with lindenwood this time next year... Jimbo. You are continuing to be an ass. Grow up and leave the youngsters alone. They are OUR players. Jolly contributed his Freshman year which is more than many Frosh bigs have done. Oh wait, why I am even bothering trying to reason with you. Your basketball knowledge has proven, over the years, to be zero and your foul mouth rants are getting old. Back in the day, you were funny. Now you are just mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Nark, that was a good post even though there's parts I don't agree with. The "unless you're X blue blood" statement has been said many times. They all started somewhere too. The idea of "standards" is funny. If you want a real good joke on standards, read the stuff about the Situation. I have been hard on Jim Crews and will continue to be. 11-21 is what it is. In terms of your statements about the well-connected poster, I hope for the sake of the program that we find out it's accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doowop Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I'm one of your biggest fans on here but I still don't understand why you need to keep piling on an 18 year old that for all intents and purposes should have redshirted but was not afforded the opportunity because we needed him to be availableI've never heard of a prep school player being redshirted. That's what the prep school year was for, to give them time to develop. However, a redshirt year may have benefitted Jolly., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I agree. The wash basin bullsh#t last year and now this? Grow up and act like a fan. Anyone who says grow up makes me want to hurl. The only thing a redshirt year does for Jolly is make it harder for him to transfer. Or it leaves SLU with a project for 5 years instead of 4. And frankly I think the wash basin stuff was before he was a serious recruit. Maybe it should have stayed that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irishdude Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 It was interesting hearing Ben Howland when he did the color commentary for the Billikens vs Vandy game. He actually spoke highly of all the frosh specifically Jolly and Milik. He said the the Billikens had some great years ahead with the younger talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Then get him to coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Howland just became the coach of Mississippi State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I have read more nonsense on this board in recent weeks than I have in a long time. I have read ridiculous things like we have no plan or strategy, we don't recruit, Crews can't coach, we are light years behind Dayton's program, we have no talent, etc. It is a bunch of nonsense... ...Dayton was awful for years before last year... Dayton hasn't had a season as bad as the one we just had in 20 years. They've made six tournaments in the past 15 years. That's twice as many as we have in that timeframe. The idea that we're NOT currently light years behind Dayton's program, or that Dayton was "awful" before this year, is one of the most ridiculously nonsensical things I have read on here. You often see Xavier mentioned as the model on here, but the reality is we have a long way to even catch up with Dayton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 I've never heard of a prep school player being redshirted. That's what the prep school year was for, to give them time to develop. However, a redshirt year may have benefitted Jolly., Gillmann was the one everybody wanted to redshirt before the year started. Then when it became clear Gillmann could contribute more on the court, the rose-colored glasses crowd started saying that Jolly would've redshirted if things had been ideal. Totally revisionist thinking. It would have made no sense to redshirt one skinny center coming out of prep school with another skinny center on the roster coming out of high school in South StLCo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dwayne's_World Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Howland just became the coach of Mississippi State They're closing in on a deal, should be official later today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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