Midtown Madness: S4E36 Schertz Hits Ground Running: Visits Scheduled, Recruit Commitment, Media Appearances

[RUBillsFan]

This just needs to move to players signing contracts with schools and donors donating money to schools instead of NIL directly to players.  I'm not sure how that works with Title IX, but it is likely than / can't be worst than the current system.  Schools can sign guys for 1 - 4 year deals.  You can have any number of team / player options & opt outs or whatever.  A kid can buy out his deal or bigger schools can buy out contracts if they want a guy to transfer.

[Lord Elrond]

3 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said:

This just needs to move to players signing contracts with schools and donors donating money to schools instead of NIL directly to players.  I'm not sure how that works with Title IX, but it is likely than / can't be worst than the current system.  Schools can sign guys for 1 - 4 year deals.  You can have any number of team / player options & opt outs or whatever.  A kid can buy out his deal or bigger schools can buy out contracts if they want a guy to transfer.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a system like the transfer market in international soccer for player development. Not sure how college sports fits into that though.

[Bilzz]

18 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said:

This just needs to move to players signing contracts with schools and donors donating money to schools instead of NIL directly to players.  I'm not sure how that works with Title IX, but it is likely than / can't be worst than the current system.  Schools can sign guys for 1 - 4 year deals.  You can have any number of team / player options & opt outs or whatever.  A kid can buy out his deal or bigger schools can buy out contracts if they want a guy to transfer.

I've been pushing some form of this system for a while in conversations. Multi-year NIL deals with the schools, reinstate the two-time transfer rule (assuming it can pass legal muster), and tie a buy out to the NIL deals like they do for coaches. That way there's still a financial benefit to the school that develops a kid. Although, I think a system similar to the MLB/Japan posting system would be better. The "new" school would be required to pay a fee to the "old" school equal to a set percentage of the NIL deal that is signed at the new school. That way you're not requiring kids to buy out their own NIL deals with funds they may not have in order to transfer.

[billikenfan05]

33 minutes ago, Bilzz said:

I've been pushing some form of this system for a while in conversations. Multi-year NIL deals with the schools, reinstate the two-time transfer rule (assuming it can pass legal muster), and tie a buy out to the NIL deals like they do for coaches. That way there's still a financial benefit to the school that develops a kid. Although, I think a system similar to the MLB/Japan posting system would be better. The "new" school would be required to pay a fee to the "old" school equal to a set percentage of the NIL deal that is signed at the new school. That way you're not requiring kids to buy out their own NIL deals with funds they may not have in order to transfer.

At this point, the whole model collapses. Title IX has to come into play? 

[Old guy]

45 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a system like the transfer market in international soccer for player development. Not sure how college sports fits into that though.

You can be assured that once the legal action has started (as it has regarding the unionization of student athletes at Dartmouth). the litigation will continue and spread to other schools and jurisdictions and the lawyers will spend large amounts of time arguing something or the other. Courts are likely to reach all kinds of decisions that will not form a uniform system everywhere. There will be attempts to incorporate other systems like the soccer transfer market you mentioned. I have no idea what will come out of this but paying "student athletes" NILs will 7 figures in them does not appear likely to me.

[almaman]

8 hours ago, TRN said:

Calipari brought up a good point at his Arkansas press conference - “why are there 26 year olds playing college basketball?”  

Of course the quick answer was COVID years, but he brought up the NCAA’s willingness to hand out extra eligibility years without much pushback.  And most importantly, a 23-26 year old would much rather stick around college playing basketball than having a post-grad job making less.

The extra years awarded has taken away opportunities from high school players.  I think the NCAA needs to just make a blanket ruling awarding all athletes 5 years and do away with the redshirt rules.  Schools can be held on the hook to honor scholarships for 4 years, although that won’t be much of an issue anymore with the portal. 

I have np giving student athletes more time to graduate. No way average 18 year old can handle all that travel, practice etc. & then have time to excel in school.

[willie]

1 hour ago, almaman said:

I have np giving student athletes more time to graduate. No way average 18 year old can handle all that travel, practice etc. & then have time to excel in school.

I also have no problem giving them more time but don’t forget they are all going to summer school getting 6 to 9 credit hours. That’s why some of these guys are getting degrees in 3 years. 

[brianstl]

I look forward to the twelve year college basketball veteran trying to hang on long enough to become fully vested in the state’s pension system if we ever go to employment contracts.  That will just make you feel all warm inside.  You can’t put a limit on eligibility years when talking about an employment contract.  Try to do that and you will lose in court.

[majerus mojo]

On 4/16/2024 at 9:30 AM, Littlebill said:

Why are you comparing us to Indiana State? We were paying our coach more than they spent on their entire basketball program. We are not the same. 

Our soon to be all-time leading scorer is going to start his SIXTH year in a row at SLU. He isn't playing for free. We kept the nation's leader in assists on our roster for four years - he wasn't playing for free either.

 

We won't keep everyone, but no one is keeping everyone. College sports are different now, but we're a lot higher on the totem pole (and spend like it) than some people are making it seem

Good post. Actually kind of crazy that we haven’t had a great player poached by a P5 that I can recall recently?

10 hours ago, Old guy said:

This is the beauty of Schertz strategy, find  them early on or in places a lot of colleges do not go to recruit, be able to  identify the good ones and take them in, and then get them together into a winning team. He can get a winning team out of places that none of the people thinking how are we going to get a Love or a Kobe? is given the simple answer let them go elsewhere. If the Kobes and Loves of this world spend time sucking wind not playing is because they wanted too much money that they did not get. Schertz is approaching the recruiting process from the correct angle. In other words, screw them and their greed.

Did a double-take on this one but another good post! Isn’t Schertz’s whole deal that he’s a great coach and can, as someone noted in another thread, take an 80K NIL roster and turn them into a $2M team? The days of worrying about recruits and transfers is over*
 

 

*definitely not over

[almaman]

1 hour ago, willie said:

I also have no problem giving them more time but don’t forget they are all going to summer school getting 6 to 9 credit hours. That’s why some of these guys are getting degrees in 3 years. 

see it sucks they have to give up their summers, most coeds still have the summer off I think  really the takeaway for me with ur reply is that they are still getting the education, so that's good.

[Old guy]

1 hour ago, majerus mojo said:

Did a double-take on this one but another good post! Isn’t Schertz’s whole deal that he’s a great coach and can, as someone noted in another thread, take an 80K NIL roster and turn them into a $2M team? The days of worrying about recruits and transfers is over*
 

 

*definitely not over

I think this must be said, those that want money get money. Unfortunately for those that want money, they basically do not know how to handle it, they just know how to spend it. Eventually the IRS will check their finances thoroughly (in an audit or series of audits one after the other). The outcome may very well be pretty bad for them.

Enter Schertz, this is a man that has gone through a lot in his life and has succeeded. He can succeed with brand new recruits from lower level schools. We need no 7 figure NIL Kobes or Loves, he can find the kids he needs, he can train them and he can guide them. My time in the Army confirms that there are officers capable to guide people into the jaws of death, there are others that will be shot by their own troops. Money is not the solution.