willie Posted August 11 Share Posted August 11 9 hours ago, thetorch said: Steve thoughts on repealing the 17th Amendment. Although hardly a cure all this would give state legislatures vastly more control over federal government and make local elections much more meaningful. Right now state legislatures are basically lobbyists begging the feds for money. This would reverse that, and with senate recalls would possibly give the average voter more power in their vote than direct election. I am not a states rights guy. We are sooo polarised You have an extreme red state like Missouri on one side and an extreme blue state like California on the other. How could there ever be any consensus on large issues. Don't get me started on the electoral college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 10 hours ago, thetorch said: Steve thoughts on repealing the 17th Amendment. Although hardly a cure all this would give state legislatures vastly more control over federal government and make local elections much more meaningful. Right now state legislatures are basically lobbyists begging the feds for money. This would reverse that, and with senate recalls would possibly give the average voter more power in their vote than direct election. @thetorch, this is actually where my more academic Political Science career started. My undergraduate history thesis was about why 3 states did not ratify the 17th Amendment, my Master's thesis was a project where I recreated every US Senate as if the 17th Amendment had not happened, which turned into my first publication. I would favor repealing the 17th Amendment, largely to make voters more conscious of who is running their state governments. There are downsides though. Pre-17th Amendment, there were a number of states that could not decide on a Senator - so they went without Senate representation. Additionally, voters then may only care about national issues when selecting their state legislators. State legislators may simply run on which US Senate candidate they would support, and ignore more state-level issues - like roads or education. But honestly, we don't know how this would turn out in the modern media age. If really interested in the subject, Charles Stewart and Wendy Schiller have a good book on the history and implications of the 17th Amendment. https://press.princeton.edu/books/paperback/9780691163178/electing-the-senate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted August 11 Author Share Posted August 11 50 minutes ago, willie said: I am not a states rights guy. We are sooo polarised You have an extreme red state like Missouri on one side and an extreme blue state like California on the other. How could there ever be any consensus on large issues. Don't get me started on the electoral college. One (often overlooked) point I like to make with students about the electoral college is that a state's electoral college votes are the sum of a state's senators and US House Representatives. When they made this rule, we still had the 3/5 compromise, so part of the agreement of the Electoral College was rooted in slavery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted September 11 Author Share Posted September 11 Book officially out today (hence the thread bump) https://www.amazon.com/Accountability-Legislatures-Chicago-American-Politics/dp/0226827240/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Twitter thread with summary: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 I have Steve’s actual book in hand! Can someone sell me some time to read it? SluSignGuy likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted September 11 Author Share Posted September 11 1 hour ago, Lord Elrond said: I have Steve’s actual book in hand! Can someone sell me some time to read it? Its a, 265 page beach read. Shorter than most of @Taj79's posts! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cowboy II Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 -It's Steven, not Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted September 13 Author Share Posted September 13 7 hours ago, Cowboy II said: -It's Steven, not Steve We're all friends here...you can call me Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 4 hours ago, SluSignGuy said: We're all friends here...you can call me Steve. I'm sure you mean Dr. Rogers Lord Elrond likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 13 Share Posted September 13 whatever happened to slusignguy? guy gets a few degrees and now it's all formal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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