AnkielBreakers Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 I think people are being a little over-blown about ZM. He has been in a slump since the Winthrop game (like 5/33 since then). His averages across the board have been down. He could come back from his injury and have a 20 point night. In one game. How would people react then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmbilliken Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 1 hour ago, Soderball said: comparing ZM to Jordair is really fringe stuff. Do you remember Jordair at this stage of his career? He wasn't very good and he went on to be conference POY in a very good conference. ZM has a chance to be a good player, so give him the chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 2 hours ago, kmbilliken said: Do you remember Jordair at this stage of his career? He wasn't very good and he went on to be conference POY in a very good conference. ZM has a chance to be a good player, so give him the chance. Jett showed a big upside - speed and strength I think Zeke can be productive but he will have to work hard at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 16 hours ago, kmbilliken said: Do you remember Jordair at this stage of his career? He wasn't very good and he went on to be conference POY in a very good conference. ZM has a chance to be a good player, so give him the chance. Jett came in with his physical ability already there. He developed a better shot that forced defenders to get to him, further opening up his ability to get to the basket. Zeke has to start shooting at Blake Ahearn levels -- he has a similar game to Blake. He did it in high school, he's not doing it now. He is fully capable of scoring 20, but how often? Will his shot get better when the team's ability to draw defenders, pick, move the ball and allow Zeke more space and better shot selection? Those are all questions, they could have good results or not. Zeke is a complete question mark right now. I think TF could do better, but if Zeke does develop as he needs to and brings that elite-level shooting, obviously he will be enormously effective. Comparisons between Jett and Zeke is just crazy revisionist stuff -- short memories around here. Majerus' early teams were pretty damn decent, even his first year we went 16-15.. a winning record. That team was at the time considered god-awful. Gained the lowest point total in the shot clock era record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 The Jett sucked as a freshman angle is a little overblown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 No rush to drive Zeke out. The roster already projects to be very strong next year and based on lack of playing time for the two bigs at the end of the bench, a very good chance one or two more scholarships could open up this spring. A potential catch and shoot guy like Zeke could still fill a niche on this team. If he doesn't have a role after his sophomore season, then he can evaluate whether or not he wants to stick around. If Johnson gets stronger and continues to develop, maybe there is not room for both, but it is always good to have competition for PT on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 If Moore only shoots 30% from 3P going forward, there won't be a role for him. But maybe he will be the long awaited Billiken who actually improves his outside shooting over the course of his career instead of getting worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorydays2013 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 4 minutes ago, ACE said: No rush to drive Zeke out. The roster already projects to be very strong next year and based on lack of playing time for the two bigs at the end of the bench, a very good chance one or two more scholarships could open up this spring. A potential catch and shoot guy like Zeke could still fill a niche on this team. If he doesn't have a role after his sophomore season, then he can evaluate whether or not he wants to stick around. If Johnson gets stronger and continues to develop, maybe there is not room for both, but it is always good to have competition for PT on the roster. I guess if you put yourself is Zeke shoes its different to understand. Ford lost a lot of players when he was hired due to them understanding their future was going to be muddled or Ford ran them off. Zeke was not Ford's recruit, not performing well enough to start on a kenpom 300 team, and 7 Ford recruits are coming in next year that can replace him. He doesn't have pt now, he wont get it in the future and he knows it. Now the choice for him is to stay on and ride the bench on a winning team and stay on a winning program, or leave for the chance someone else takes him. Due to his poor performance this year and recent injury he will be a hard sell unless a team is in dire need. He might end up choosing to ride the bench Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 42 minutes ago, Soderball said: Comparisons between Jett and Zeke is just crazy revisionist stuff -- short memories around here. Majerus' early teams were pretty damn decent, even his first year we went 16-15.. a winning record. That team was at the time considered god-awful. Gained the lowest point total in the shot clock era record. The 20 point team also averaged 60 points a game, which is right where we're at right now. We just give up a full 10 points more a game than that team did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 2 hours ago, hsmith19 said: The 20 point team also averaged 60 points a game, which is right where we're at right now. We just give up a full 10 points more a game than that team did. that team was much, much better. more athletic. better defenders. to play good defense a player has to be quick and strong.. just playing hard is not enough.. 2 hours ago, Glorydays2013 said: I guess if you put yourself is Zeke shoes its different to understand. Ford lost a lot of players when he was hired due to them understanding their future was going to be muddled or Ford ran them off. Zeke was not Ford's recruit, not performing well enough to start on a kenpom 300 team, and 7 Ford recruits are coming in next year that can replace him. He doesn't have pt now, he wont get it in the future and he knows it. Now the choice for him is to stay on and ride the bench on a winning team and stay on a winning program, or leave for the chance someone else takes him. Due to his poor performance this year and recent injury he will be a hard sell unless a team is in dire need. He might end up choosing to ride the bench The only guys who would be truly pushed out with no possibility of future d1 play are gillman and neufeld. Some OVC team might want ZM. he isnt really a catch and shoot.. right now he is catch, stand for three seconds, then shoot. his release is a lot slower than i thought it would be. Plays have to be run intended for him.. Welmer has a better looking shot and quicker release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoosierPal Posted January 27, 2017 Share Posted January 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Glorydays2013 said: Zeke was not Ford's recruit, not performing well enough to start on a kenpom 300 team, and 7 Ford recruits are coming in next year that can replace him. He doesn't have pt now, he wont get it in the future and he knows it. As Coach Majerus said "starting is for high school". Moore is averaging 21 minutes a game which is currently more than Johnson. When did you talk to Zeke? Last time I talked to him he didn't know that he had no future at SLU. Please update with your conversation. Anxiously waiting your facts. Man, you and Sodie have a lot of one on ones with the players and staff. I'm jealous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 1 hour ago, Soderball said: that team was much, much better. more athletic. better defenders. to play good defense a player has to be quick and strong.. just playing hard is not enough.. No argument from me. That team played a similar schedule and won half their games. I just thought the similarity on the offensive numbers and the big difference on defense was interesting. I also think HoosierPal isn't giving you the credit you deserve for your optimism on Welmer, who is after all a tall, skinny kid from Indiana recruited by Crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 Anthony Drejaj was one of the slowest guards I've ever seen in a Billiken uniform but he was also a good defender. Of course he was also a good defender in high school. It's possible to be a good defender if you learn to anticipate. None of our players, save Roby, was known for their defense in high school. It should come as no surprise that poor defenders in high school often are poor defenders in college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 44 minutes ago, 3star_recruit said: Anthony Drejaj was one of the slowest guards I've ever seen in a Billiken uniform but he was also a good defender. Of course he was also a good defender in high school. It's possible to be a good defender if you learn to anticipate. None of our players, save Roby, was known for their defense in high school. It should come as no surprise that poor defenders in high school often are poor defenders in college. Agreed. Anticipation, positioning, footwork, angles, smarts are all just as important to being a good defender as quickness is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 4 hours ago, hsmith19 said: No argument from me. That team played a similar schedule and won half their games. I just thought the similarity on the offensive numbers and the big difference on defense was interesting. I also think HoosierPal isn't giving you the credit you deserve for your optimism on Welmer, who is after all a tall, skinny kid from Indiana recruited by Crews. If he couldn't shoot he would be completely useless. He can shoot, however. That changes everything. HoosierTroll is desperate for any kind of silver lining to the Failed Crews/Platt Regime. He will grasp at any straw, no matter if its too narrow or broken, to justify the decisions and actions of Jim Crews. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soderball Posted January 28, 2017 Share Posted January 28, 2017 3 hours ago, 3star_recruit said: Anthony Drejaj was one of the slowest guards I've ever seen in a Billiken uniform but he was also a good defender. Of course he was also a good defender in high school. It's possible to be a good defender if you learn to anticipate. None of our players, save Roby, was known for their defense in high school. It should come as no surprise that poor defenders in high school often are poor defenders in college. Drejaj had very slow feet but very, very good and quick hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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