Littlebill Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I've learned today that folks are watching a different version of Lancona and Jolly than I have all season. Fwiw i agree on Lancona. The drop off is perplexing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Gillmann > Jolly and it's not that close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Gillmann > Jolly and it's not that close Right now, you're right and there's not much argument. I'm trying to project Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufan13 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 You can't teach basketball IQ. I'd bet my bottom dollar he'll never be as valuable as BJ. Gillmann's basketball IQ might be 100 times better than Jolly's right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I really don't see much in Jolly. At all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Pistol-this is something on which we both agree. A lot of times when he's on the floor he seems lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 After watching the highlights on billiken.com SLU looked real good shooting, I don't understand where the hates coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wgstl Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Gillmann's basketball IQ might be 100 times better than Jolly's right now. YAAAAA but does AG have that sexy Dirk step back?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Gillmann's basketball IQ might be 100 times better than Jolly's right now. Once again, I agree with you. Abas missing the point. Jolly' s is so horrible right now, which is why he looks lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlebill Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 You can't teach basketball IQ. I'd bet my bottom dollar he'll never be as valuable as BJ. TF you mean? Knowledge is something you can teach.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills By 40 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Natural basketball intelligence is something you either have or you don't. Some people just know how to play the game, and others don't. I see a lot in Jolly and I don't understand why y'all have such a cinical view of him. You can teach plays, moves, shooting form, but some just have an instinct for the game and I see Jolly blowing up like Conklin did, except much sooner in his career that Conklin found his worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 My opinion is skewed because I always think of the kid from the "Bad Luck Brian" meme when I look at Jolly, especially when he's pounding on the floor after being called for another blocking foul: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikenboy Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 There is too much silliness on this board! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zink Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I'm a fan of Jolly, but will have to agree that he has shown far less 'skill' than Gillmann. Jolly is more of a grinder; sets solid screens, plays physical. Gillmann is a better passer and shooter. I feel extremely comfortable saying that about both of these guys at this phase in their career, and in the future I'd hope that Jolly doesn't try to become something he's not (a 'skilled' big) and focuses on developing as a post enforcer a la Conklin - echoing a previous post, I haven't seen consistent low-post offensive production from Jolly. Gillmann should try and follow the same general trajectory as Loe. We have a guy ready made for banging in the low-post and another who has shown the requisite skills to play the high post. I hope and expect them to develop skills that complement the types of player they already are rather than reinventing themselves. One buzzer beating prayer/awkward Dirk imitation does not make you a skilled big... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clock_Tower Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 I'm a fan of Jolly, but will have to agree that he has shown far less 'skill' than Gillmann. Jolly is more of a grinder; sets solid screens, plays physical. Gillmann is a better passer and shooter. I feel extremely comfortable saying that about both of these guys at this phase in their career, and in the future I'd hope that Jolly doesn't try to become something he's not (a 'skilled' big) and focuses on developing as a post enforcer a la Conklin - echoing a previous post, I haven't seen consistent low-post offensive production from Jolly. Gillmann should try and follow the same general trajectory as Loe. We have a guy ready made for banging in the low-post and another who has shown the requisite skills to play the high post. I hope and expect them to develop skills that complement the types of player they already are rather than reinventing themselves. One buzzer beating prayer/awkward Dirk imitation does not make you a skilled big... Terms and names aside... "skilled big", enforcer, banger... Gillmann needs to be get stronger, more physical and learn to play in the paint. Rob Loe would step out and shoot a few 3's each game but it wasn't until his Senior year that he played much on the interior. I agree that Jolly should not try to become the next Rob Loe and that Gillmann has better tools (outside shot and passing) to become the next Rob Loe, but still, I wanted a more physical Rob Loe on the interior. With the moving parts our two biggest players on the perimeter of RL and CE and a traditional big of CR able to come off the bench to better match up at times, teams then got burned by DE -- a very unconventional lineup with RM at the helm With half the parts missing last year (CE and CR), the system did not work nearly as well. Same could be the case with Gillmann. We know his passing skills will not disappear and that he will continue working on his outside shot because he is good at it and it is fun, but Gillmann's future playing time (and if he is our starting big, then our team's future) will depend upon how he plays on the interior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billboy1 Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Never happen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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