cheesycow Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Then why has this SLU program nobody cares about outdrawn the Tigers for the majority of the last 15 years? http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?ContentID=1093 Hey, we have at least won a conference championship this century. Call me crazy, but I think that just might have something to do with the arenas they played in? Hearnes: 13,000 capacity Kiel,Savvis,Scottrade:19,150 Puts those years where both teams averaged around 12,500-13,000 per game into perspective a bit, eh? In our history we have more conference titles than you have NCAA appearances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 As a SLU fan I want to know why a women's game involving two teams from out of the state and shown on a cable channel drew more than 2,500 more viewers than the Bills game. There were 28,000 people watching it at Flannery's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I hate to be right, but the ratings only re-emphasize the need for more werewolves. I love to be right, and the need for more werewolves is one of the few things I've been right about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 No, I got it. The very non scientific study also didn't include in it's numbers Mizzou's next two home games which were both sellouts. Oklahoma will be a sellout as well. I wouldn't be surprised if the K-State game was close to capacity either. Speaking on non-scientific.... we all know that Nielson is just a sampling of households and when the numbers are particularly small can be very misleading. So I found this article about Nielson's methods. http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question433.htm In particular this paragraph: "To find out who is watching TV and what they are watching, the company gets around 5,000 households to agree to be a part of the representative sample for the national ratings estimates. Nielsen's statistics show that 99 million households have TVs in the United States, so Nielsen's sample is not very large. The key, therefore, is to be sure the sample is representative. Then TVs, homes, programs, and people are measured in a variety of ways." So in a city of St. Louis there are maybe 1 million households. That would suggest that only 50 people in St. Louis are part of the Nielson sample. I'm not sure how much everyone knows about stats but a sample size of 50 is incredibly small for something like that. For example, if I was part of the Nielson sample they would have registered me as watching the entire game and it would regsiter as 20,000 extra viewers. Here is an interesting thread about how variable the city by city ratings can be on small rankings. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=599141 So in summary. The rating doesn't mean much of anything and could have been anywhere from nobody watch the game to 10s of thousands did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 15 years ago Mizzou was awesome. 10 years ago mizzou was awesome. Hell, it's been 7 years since we went to the elite 8. Put that up against SLU in the last 15 years. The greatest year in recent memory for you guys involved what, the 2nd round of the tourney? What does the arena size have to do with all of those crowds of 3,000 to 5,000 you guys have had over the last few years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Since numbers do not lie, I figure we could bring up a recent edition of Forde Minutes, which supports the notion that Mizzou fans are some of the most fair-weathered in the country. Forde examined the difference between the winning percentage and attendance percentages of 15 schools enjoying relative success this season. I hate to tell you, but Mizzou finished at the bottom. Forde Minutes Great fans. The school didn't hire an African-American head coach in ANY sport in their history prior to Anderson. It took the locals quite a while to warm up to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postcard Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Speaking on non-scientific.... we all know that Nielson is just a sampling of households and when the numbers are particularly small can be very misleading. So I found this article about Nielson's methods. http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/question433.htm In particular this paragraph: "To find out who is watching TV and what they are watching, the company gets around 5,000 households to agree to be a part of the representative sample for the national ratings estimates. Nielsen's statistics show that 99 million households have TVs in the United States, so Nielsen's sample is not very large. The key, therefore, is to be sure the sample is representative. Then TVs, homes, programs, and people are measured in a variety of ways." So in a city of St. Louis there are maybe 1 million households. That would suggest that only 50 people in St. Louis are part of the Nielson sample. I'm not sure how much everyone knows about stats but a sample size of 50 is incredibly small for something like that. For example, if I was part of the Nielson sample they would have registered me as watching the entire game and it would regsiter as 20,000 extra viewers. Here is an interesting thread about how variable the city by city ratings can be on small rankings. http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=599141 So in summary. The rating doesn't mean much of anything and could have been anywhere from nobody watch the game to 10s of thousands did. When I emailed Caesar and he told me it was usually 3-1 in favor of Mizzou and I posted that, no one believed me. Now that I have the actual numbers to back it up, no one believes me. Big shock. Don't like the news? Shoot the messenger. I don't know why anyone puts any stock in the Neilsen ratings. They're obviously flawed and have been for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Guys, postcard/banned billiphan really is a fan of BOTH programs... he said so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesycow Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 What does the arena size have to do with all of those crowds of 3,000 to 5,000 you guys have had over the last few years? Way to dodge the point. How do you explain your similar crowds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postcard Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Great fans. The school didn't hire an African-American head coach in ANY sport in their history prior to Anderson. It took the locals quite a while to warm up to him. Attendance: 15061 MU/NU Attendance: 7042 SLU/SJ That's only 2-1. It's not as bad the tv viewer ratio. Remind me of all the African-American head coaches at SLU. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 When I emailed Caesar and he told me it was usually 3-1 in favor of Mizzou and I posted that, no one believed me. Now that I have the actual numbers to back it up, no one believes me. Big shock. Don't like the news? Shoot the messenger. I don't know why anyone puts any stock in the Neilsen ratings. They're obviously flawed and have been for years.When did you email him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Attendance: 15061 MU/NU Attendance: 7042 SLU/SJ That's only 2-1. It's not as bad the tv viewer ratio. Remind me of all the African-American head coaches at SLU. Thanks. How do you explain the fact that SLU has outdrawn Mizzou for most of the last 15 years inspite of the fact Mizzou has a much larger alumni base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Attendance: 15061 MU/NU Attendance: 7042 SLU/SJ That's only 2-1. It's not as bad the tv viewer ratio. Remind me of all the African-American head coaches at SLU. Thanks. Romar and Shimmy-Gray to start with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesycow Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 How do you explain the fact that SLU has outdrawn Mizzou for most of the last 15 years inspite of the fact Mizzou has a much larger alumni base?Because when both teams were decent, SLU selling 60% of the tickets would be more people than Mizzou selling out every night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postcard Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 When did you email him? A year ago. Romar and Shimmy-Gray to start with. That's a whole one more than Mizzou. I don't think either school will be invited to the NAACP Awards banquet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Because when both teams were decent, SLU selling 60% of the tickets would be more people than Mizzou selling out every night.That would be a good arguement but both programs haven't come close to close to selling out on a regular basis for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 I've always maintained that one of the reasons that Mizzou gets more attention in the Post is because there are more fans of Mizzou in the area. Therefore the Post is playing to their market if they do more Mizzou stories that Billiken stories. I even went so far to email Dan Ceasar about this and he said essentailly all things being equal he would estimate that mizzou draws probably about 3 times more ratings than SLU does on a typical basketball telecast. Some of the posters on here accused me of making that email and response up. This is not a shot at SLU but just goes to show you that at this point the programs are not equal in terms of popularity in this area. Roy and others have fought me on this in the past. The numbers don't lie. SATURDAY EVENTS.........................OUTLET......RATING......HOMES Nebraska-Missouri men's hoops........WRBU............1.8.............22,500 NBA 3-point, dunk contests...................TNT..............1.8.............22,500 Nationwide auto race..........................ESPN2............1.6.............20,000 Pebble Beach PGA golf......................KMOV.............1.3..............16,250 Georgetown-Syracuse hoops.............ESPN.............1.3..............16,250 Kansas-Kansas State men's hoops....KDNL.............1.2..............15,000 Ohio State-Wisconsin men's hoops..ESPN..............0.8...............10,000 Kentucky-Arkansas men's hoops......KMOV.............0.8................10,000 Texas at Colorado men's hoops......ESPN..............0.8................10,000 Iowa St.-Okla. St. men's hoops........WRBU.............0.7...................8,750 TX Tech-Nebraska women's hoops...FSM.............0.5.................. 6,250 SLU-Rhode Island men's hoops.......KPLR.............0.3....................3,750 Cincinnati-Pittsburgh men's hoops...ESPN............0.3.....................3,750 Creighton at SIUC men's hoops......ESPN2............0.3.....................3,750 Oregon-Washington men's hoops......FSM.............0.1.....................1,250 Stanford-California men's hoops.......FSM..............0.1.....................1,250 Indiana St.-Miss. St. men's hoops.....FSM..............0.1.....................1,250 California-Stanford women's hoops..FSM..............0.1.....................1,250 Tenn. St.-Aust. Peay men's hoops..ESPN2.............-*...........................—* Niagara-Fairfield men's hoops........ESPN2............-*............................—* That's because you have so little experience with it. If you had the experience I've had, you'd have learned to like it. It grows on you kind of like Beer, your 1st taste .... not so great .... the more you drink it, the better it becomes. Maybe next year when you have your 2nd experience you'll like it a little more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbofive Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Attendance: 15061 MU/NU Attendance: 7042 SLU/SJ That's only 2-1. It's not as bad the tv viewer ratio. Remind me of all the African-American head coaches at SLU. Thanks. Majerus spent the night with some black coach in the ghetto once, so up your nose with a rubber hose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 A big state school drawing 4,000 - 5,000 fans for much of the first month of the season - pathetic. A big school with a lot of athletic programs doesn't hire an African-American head coach in ANY sport until Anderson - shameful. Hell, the U.S. almost elected a an African-American president before Mizzou hired a head coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Ken R Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 A year ago. That's a whole one more than Mizzou. I don't think either school will be invited to the NAACP Awards banquet. Add Ron Coleman more than 30 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postcard Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Add Ron Coleman more than 30 years ago. How can we forget the Ron Coleman era? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 Add Ron Coleman more than 30 years ago. Also add Sharon Allen, about 15 years ago, so that's at least four before Mizzou had one. Boone County U. must be proud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postcard Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Also add Sharon Allen, about 15 years ago, so that's at least four before Mizzou had one. Boone County U. must be proud. This certainly got off topic quickly. Let's get back to why #10 Mizzou outdrew our Billikens by 6-1 this past Saturday. Also, why did an out of state women's bball game outdraw our Bills by almost 1.7 - 1? We have the million dollar coach and the new arena. We're in the fantastic A10 not in the crappy MVC ( Creighton at SIUC men's hoops......ESPN2............0.3.....................3,750 Huh? How did that get the same rating as SLU???). What are the answers guys? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted February 20, 2009 Share Posted February 20, 2009 This certainly got off topic quickly. Let's get back to why #10 Mizzou outdrew our Billikens by 6-1 this past Saturday. Also, why did an out of state women's bball game outdraw our Bills by almost 1.7 - 1? We have the million dollar coach and the new arena. We're in the fantastic A10 not in the crappy MVC ( Creighton at SIUC men's hoops......ESPN2............0.3.....................3,750 Huh? How did that get the same rating as SLU???). What are the answers guys? Glad to see you Finally figured out the math. Did you get one of the orderlies at the facility to help you out with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Postcard Posted February 20, 2009 Author Share Posted February 20, 2009 Glad to see you Finally figured out the math. Did you get one of the orderlies at the facility to help you out with it? Your lack of response to the issue at hand is telling. What seed will Monmouth garner this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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