UNC at Clemson

[davidnark]

This game is on FSN right now. If you like Clemson's on-campus arena, then you will love the Chaifetz. Both have a single concourse, about 10,000 seats, uninterrupted four-side seating, and a bleacher section for the students behind one basket. The Chaifetz will probably have better site-lines and amenities because it was designed and is being built from scratch, as opposed to retro-fitting an existing structure.

[kshoe]

This game is on FSN right now. If you like Clemson's on-campus arena, then you will love the Chaifetz. Both have a single concourse, about 10,000 seats, uninterrupted four-side seating, and a bleacher section for the students behind one basket. The Chaifetz will probably have better site-lines and amenities because it was designed and is being built from scratch, as opposed to retro-fitting an existing structure.

I'll like the Chaifetz even better when we are beating the #1 team in the country there like Clemson currently is.

[MusicCityBilliken]

I'll like the Chaifetz even better when we are beating the #1 team in the country there like Clemson currently is.

The Little John is a great place to watch a game. My son last summer attended golf camp at Clemson and I had a opportunity to take a peek inside while waiting for him. It was just recently renovated and the Tigers had to play home games at the in Anderson, SC in the interim.

[kevinfootes]

This game is on FSN right now. If you like Clemson's on-campus arena, then you will love the Chaifetz. Both have a single concourse, about 10,000 seats, uninterrupted four-side seating, and a bleacher section for the students behind one basket. The Chaifetz will probably have better site-lines and amenities because it was designed and is being built from scratch, as opposed to retro-fitting an existing structure.

The only thing that would make Chaifetz better would be if it held the 13,000 seats everyone was promised and the program really needs.

[davidnark]

The only thing that would make Chaifetz better would be if it held the 13,000 seats everyone was promised and the program really needs.

Why, so that we can hold 2-3,000 empty seats for joe sports fan who might want to buy a ticket when the next Gonazaga or UNC is in town? What SLU needs is the best home court advantage and collegiate atmosphere every night, and the current size presents that opportunity. If 9,000 is good enough for Duke, then 10,500 should be sufficient for SLU. Its about controlling supply and demand to create a hot ticket and atmosphere.

[TEE]

The only thing that would make Chaifetz better would be if it held the 13,000 seats everyone was promised and the program really needs.

when you get a chance to see the whole Chaifetz complex you will understand why 2,400 seats were cut from the final design. Chaifetz is a Bentley, from the athletic offices, coaches suites, locker rooms, weightroom, sports medicine and I MEAN SPORTS MEDICINE. If we are not a top 15 program in five years than there are some serious issues. Chaifetz is awesome!

[kevinfootes]

Why, so that we can hold 2-3,000 empty seats for joe sports fan who might want to buy a ticket when the next Gonazaga or UNC is in town? What SLU needs is the best home court advantage and collegiate atmosphere every night, and the current size presents that opportunity. If 9,000 is good enough for Duke, then 10,500 should be sufficient for SLU. Its about controlling supply and demand to create a hot ticket and atmosphere.

If you're going to use a sample of one program like Duke, I'll play along with you. I think Pauley Pavillion holds about 12,800. Allen Filedhouse holds more than 16,000. The Carrier Dome holds over 30,000 for basketball. Has the size of these venues had a negative impact on those programs? Are you shocked UCLA was able to win 98 games in a row in such a large building? It has to do with the quality of the product on the court. SLU has played EXTREMELY dull basketball since Spoon left and has been pretty bad most of the time. I think RM will do well enough that SLU will wish the had the revenue from the extra 2500-3000 seats they'll be missing from each game (not to mention parking, concessions, etc). I get that you don't build the church for the Easter Sunday crowd, but 13K was a very good number for SLU.

David, you tend to talk out of both sides of your mouth when it comes to this issue. On one hand, you complain about all of the "blue hairs" at SLU games. Then you post about not wanting "joe sports fan" to come to the games. With the number of seats at the new building being much smaller now, there will only be "blued haired" season ticket holders at the games. How can you complain about "blue hairs" while promoting a country club atmosphere?

As for your supply and demand position, why not build a 2000-seat arena? Why have you concluded 10K is the magic number?

[kevinfootes]

when you get a chance to see the whole Chaifetz complex you will understand why 2,400 seats were cut from the final design. Chaifetz is a Bentley, from the athletic offices, coaches suites, locker rooms, weightroom, sports medicine and I MEAN SPORTS MEDICINE. If we are not a top 15 program in five years than there are some serious issues. Chaifetz is awesome!

The problem is that what SLU needed the most was the ahtletic offices, coaches suites, etc. That's what turned off recuits. The Kiel never was an issue for recruits. SLU could have spent $15-20 million on new practice facilities and not 5 or 6 times as much on the arena. Typical poor planning from SLU...not to mention the waste of money.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to have a new building. I'm just disappointed that they could have been finished with a practice facility like I mentioned a couple of years ago and already be reaping the benefits.

[dewey33]

If you're going to use a sample of one program like Duke, I'll play along with you. I think Pauley Pavillion holds about 12,800. Allen Filedhouse holds more than 16,000. The Carrier Dome holds over 30,000 for basketball. Has the size of these venues had a negative impact on those programs? Are you shocked UCLA was able to win 98 games in a row in such a large building? It has to do with the quality of the product on the court. SLU has played EXTREMELY dull basketball since Spoon left and has been pretty bad most of the time. I think RM will do well enough that SLU will wish the had the revenue from the extra 2500-3000 seats they'll be missing from each game (not to mention parking, concessions, etc). I get that you don't build the church for the Easter Sunday crowd, but 13K was a very good number for SLU.

David, you tend to talk out of both sides of your mouth when it comes to this issue. On one hand, you complain about all of the "blue hairs" at SLU games. Then you post about not wanting "joe sports fan" to come to the games. With the number of seats at the new building being much smaller now, there will only be "blued haired" season ticket holders at the games. How can you complain about "blue hairs" while promoting a country club atmosphere?

As for your supply and demand position, why not build a 2000-seat arena? Why have you concluded 10K is the magic number?

Cintas seats 10,000 at Xavier, and they are one the most financially success private schools that does not have football....those other examples you gave are national universities with large residential populations. Gonzaga seats less than that.

[dewey33]

Cintas seats 10,000 at Xavier, and they are one the most financially success private schools that does not have football....those other examples you gave are national universities with large residential populations. Gonzaga seats less than that.

Lets compare apples to apples.....

Attendance rankings 2007

Rank School G Attendance Average

1. Kentucky 16 374,737 23,421

2. Syracuse 22 473,353 21,516

3. North Carolina 17 351,785 20,693

4. Tennessee 16 314,571 19,661

5. Louisville 20 369,763 18,488

6. Ohio St. 18 315,539 17,530

7. Wisconsin 19 326,610 17,190

8. Maryland 19 319,616 16,822

9. Arkansas 16 267,520 16,720

10. Illinois 17 282,506 16,618

11. Indiana 15 247,103 16,474

12. Kansas 18 293,400 16,300

13. Creighton 14 222,728 15,909

14. Marquette 20 306,893 15,345

15. Michigan St. 19 280,421 14,759

16. Memphis 19 276,014 14,527

17. Arizona 16 227,239 14,202

18. North Carolina St. 20 279,035 13,952

19. Virginia 17 229,858 13,521

20. Connecticut 20 260,231 13,012

21. Oklahoma St. 18 234,142 13,008

22. Texas 16 207,504 12,969

23. New Mexico 18 231,346 12,853

24. South Carolina 17 218,240 12,838

25. Iowa St. 17 212,310 12,489

26. Kansas St. 17 209,123 12,301

27. Alabama 16 196,552 12,285

28. Dayton 17 208,522 12,266

29. Iowa 16 195,139 12,196

30. Brigham Young 17 205,243 12,073

Rank School G Attendance Average

31. Vanderbilt 17 204,511 12,030

32. Florida 18 212,866 11,826

33. Fresno St. 18 210,828 11,713

34. Pittsburgh 18 208,997 11,611

35. UNLV 20 227,074 11,354

36. Purdue 17 192,984 11,352

37. Minnesota 17 186,554 10,974

38. Villanova 14 149,884 10,706

39. Nebraska 16 169,350 10,584

40. Wichita St. 15 157,170 10,478

41. Georgetown 17 177,501 10,441

42. UCLA 16 166,843 10,428

43. Wake Forest 17 174,992 10,294

44. DePaul 16 162,320 10,145

45. Oklahoma 16 160,371 10,023

46. Texas Tech 16 160,155 10,010

47. LSU 18 180,038 10,002

48. Michigan 21 209,327 9,968

49. Washington 19 188,305 9,911

50. Xavier 15 148,650 9,910

51. Virginia Tech 15 147,330 9,822

52. Texas A&M 19 186,420 9,812

53. Bradley 17 165,376 9,728

54. St. Louis 15 145,002 9,667

55. Utah 15 142,833 9,522

56. West Virginia 18 169,557 9,420

57. New Mexico St. 20 188,254 9,413

58. Duke 19 176,966 9,314

59. Georgia Tech 17 156,247 9,191

60. Notre Dame 18 162,485 9,027

Rank School G Attendance Average

61. Nevada 16 142,442 8,903

62. Mississippi St. 19 168,763 8,882

63. Cincinnati 18 158,966 8,831

64. UTEP 18 156,729 8,707

65. California 15 126,650 8,443

66. Utah St. 14 118,131 8,438

67. Oregon 18 151,576 8,421

68. Providence 19 159,798 8,410

69. Missouri 19 156,612 8,243

70. Penn St. 19 151,785 7,989

71. San Diego St. 16 125,135 7,821

72. Southern Ill. 13 100,655 7,743

73. Florida St. 19 142,416 7,496

74. Georgia 18 132,048 7,336

75. Clemson 20 146,583 7,329

76. Washington St. 15 107,653 7,177

77. Missouri St. 17 121,984 7,176

78. Stanford 17 120,204 7,071

79. Arizona St. 18 124,756 6,931

80. St. John's (N.Y.) 19 131,477 6,920

Rank School G Attendance Average

81. Boston College 18 124,486 6,916

82. George Mason 13 88,837 6,834

83. Seton Hall 16 106,169 6,636

84. Oral Roberts 14 90,775 6,484

85. Hawaii 16 102,959 6,435

86. Gonzaga 13 83,272 6,406

87. UNI 14 88,170 6,298

88. Old Dominion 17 105,851 6,227

89. Wyoming 14 84,963 6,069

90. Baylor 18 109,174 6,065

91. Charlotte 14 84,360 6,026

92. Massachusetts 14 83,542 5,967

93. Wright St. 15 87,962 5,864

94. Siena 14 81,670 5,834

95. Southern California 18 104,357 5,798

96. Toledo 11 63,265 5,751

97. Butler 15 86,005 5,734

98. VCU 14 78,963 5,640

99. Evansville 15 82,407 5,494

100. Drake 15 81,870 5,458

[Iggy]

I just watched "We Are Marshall" last night. Xavier was the first team they beat in 1971. They've had a football team much more recently than we have. By the way, great movie.

[kshoe]

If you're going to use a sample of one program like Duke, I'll play along with you. I think Pauley Pavillion holds about 12,800. Allen Filedhouse holds more than 16,000. The Carrier Dome holds over 30,000 for basketball. Has the size of these venues had a negative impact on those programs? Are you shocked UCLA was able to win 98 games in a row in such a large building? It has to do with the quality of the product on the court. SLU has played EXTREMELY dull basketball since Spoon left and has been pretty bad most of the time. I think RM will do well enough that SLU will wish the had the revenue from the extra 2500-3000 seats they'll be missing from each game (not to mention parking, concessions, etc). I get that you don't build the church for the Easter Sunday crowd, but 13K was a very good number for SLU.

David, you tend to talk out of both sides of your mouth when it comes to this issue. On one hand, you complain about all of the "blue hairs" at SLU games. Then you post about not wanting "joe sports fan" to come to the games. With the number of seats at the new building being much smaller now, there will only be "blued haired" season ticket holders at the games. How can you complain about "blue hairs" while promoting a country club atmosphere?

As for your supply and demand position, why not build a 2000-seat arena? Why have you concluded 10K is the magic number?

10k is largely considered a magic number for some because it is about the largest single concourse place you can build. Once you get into a 2nd concourse you need to be fairly certain that you can sell those seats on a regular basis otherwise it is cost prohibitive to do it. Given that SLU was not going to raise an additional $20mm for this arena and the choice between a 10,600 seat arena with practice courts and coaches offices and a 13,600 stadium while still having the AD at West Pine, the choice was obvious. What I cant figure out is why the original planners ever thought 13,600 with none of the additional facilities was better than 10,600 with the works.

[davidnark]

If you're going to use a sample of one program like Duke, I'll play along with you. I think Pauley Pavillion holds about 12,800. Allen Filedhouse holds more than 16,000. The Carrier Dome holds over 30,000 for basketball. Has the size of these venues had a negative impact on those programs? Are you shocked UCLA was able to win 98 games in a row in such a large building? It has to do with the quality of the product on the court. SLU has played EXTREMELY dull basketball since Spoon left and has been pretty bad most of the time. I think RM will do well enough that SLU will wish the had the revenue from the extra 2500-3000 seats they'll be missing from each game (not to mention parking, concessions, etc). I get that you don't build the church for the Easter Sunday crowd, but 13K was a very good number for SLU.

David, you tend to talk out of both sides of your mouth when it comes to this issue. On one hand, you complain about all of the "blue hairs" at SLU games. Then you post about not wanting "joe sports fan" to come to the games. With the number of seats at the new building being much smaller now, there will only be "blued haired" season ticket holders at the games. How can you complain about "blue hairs" while promoting a country club atmosphere?

As for your supply and demand position, why not build a 2000-seat arena? Why have you concluded 10K is the magic number?

How am I talking out of both sides of my mouth? I said that we shouldn't take away 1,000 seats set aside for students in favor of more 50 and 60-somethings. That is completely unrelated to a 10,000 v 13,000 seat argument. In both circumstances, I believe at least 10% of the seasts should be set aside for students.

10k is the magic number because it is slightly above the average attendance over the last several seasons. It therefore accounts for the existing fan base and provides for some moderate room for growth without ruining the arena atmosphere by having a cavern of empty seats on many nights. I actually would have been content anywhere between 8.000 and 10,000 seats.

Also, I don't think KU and UCLA, arguably the two most storied programs in the country and both schools with three or four times the enrollment of SLU, are good examples. Perhaps the two best examples are Gonzaga and Xavier, both Jesuit university that are relatively new to the big-time college basketball. These two schools have relatively new 6,000 and 10,000 seat on-campus arenas that are packed to capacity on most nights, have a great atmosphere with a great home court advantage, and have enormously benefited both programs. I am certain that both schools could pack in another few thousand fans for the big games, but the smaller sizes have ensured that there is a great and consistent atmosphere every night.

So please explain to me why we should add another 3,000 seats to accommodate yet-to-be-identified fans when the proven model for aspiring jesuit programs indicates otherwise.

[kevinfootes]

How am I talking out of both sides of my mouth? I said that we shouldn't take away 1,000 seats set aside for students in favor of more 50 and 60-somethings. That is completely unrelated to a 10,000 v 13,000 seat argument. In both circumstances, I believe at least 10% of the seasts should be set aside for students.

10k is the magic number because it is slightly above the average attendance over the last several seasons. It therefore accounts for the existing fan base and provides for some moderate room for growth without ruining the arena atmosphere by having a cavern of empty seats on many nights. I actually would have been content anywhere between 8.000 and 10,000 seats.

Also, I don't think KU and UCLA, arguably the two most storied programs in the country and both schools with three or four times the enrollment of SLU, are good examples. Perhaps the two best examples are Gonzaga and Xavier, both Jesuit university that are relatively new to the big-time college basketball. These two schools have relatively new 6,000 and 10,000 seat on-campus arenas that are packed to capacity on most nights, have a great atmosphere with a great home court advantage, and have enormously benefited both programs. I am certain that both schools could pack in another few thousand fans for the big games, but the smaller sizes have ensured that there is a great and consistent atmosphere every night.

So please explain to me why we should add another 3,000 seats to accommodate yet-to-be-identified fans when the proven model for aspiring jesuit programs indicates otherwise.

Oh, so we're not talking about Duke anymore? I thought Duke was your example. I'm not sure either Gonzaga or XU was in the top 10 or 15 in attendance as recently as 11 or 12 years ago. If SLU wins and plays a fairly exciting game, the fans will come. That's a fact. If SLU goes on the cheap and hires bad coaches who can't get it done, the fans won't come. Gonzaga is also in a much smaller city and in a bad conference. XU has a much larger cross-town rival playing D1 basketball.

[kevinfootes]

Lets compare apples to apples.....

Attendance rankings 2007

Rank School G Attendance Average

1. Kentucky 16 374,737 23,421

2. Syracuse 22 473,353 21,516

3. North Carolina 17 351,785 20,693

4. Tennessee 16 314,571 19,661

5. Louisville 20 369,763 18,488

6. Ohio St. 18 315,539 17,530

7. Wisconsin 19 326,610 17,190

8. Maryland 19 319,616 16,822

9. Arkansas 16 267,520 16,720

10. Illinois 17 282,506 16,618

11. Indiana 15 247,103 16,474

12. Kansas 18 293,400 16,300

13. Creighton 14 222,728 15,909

14. Marquette 20 306,893 15,345

15. Michigan St. 19 280,421 14,759

16. Memphis 19 276,014 14,527

17. Arizona 16 227,239 14,202

18. North Carolina St. 20 279,035 13,952

19. Virginia 17 229,858 13,521

20. Connecticut 20 260,231 13,012

21. Oklahoma St. 18 234,142 13,008

22. Texas 16 207,504 12,969

23. New Mexico 18 231,346 12,853

24. South Carolina 17 218,240 12,838

25. Iowa St. 17 212,310 12,489

26. Kansas St. 17 209,123 12,301

27. Alabama 16 196,552 12,285

28. Dayton 17 208,522 12,266

29. Iowa 16 195,139 12,196

30. Brigham Young 17 205,243 12,073

Rank School G Attendance Average

31. Vanderbilt 17 204,511 12,030

32. Florida 18 212,866 11,826

33. Fresno St. 18 210,828 11,713

34. Pittsburgh 18 208,997 11,611

35. UNLV 20 227,074 11,354

36. Purdue 17 192,984 11,352

37. Minnesota 17 186,554 10,974

38. Villanova 14 149,884 10,706

39. Nebraska 16 169,350 10,584

40. Wichita St. 15 157,170 10,478

41. Georgetown 17 177,501 10,441

42. UCLA 16 166,843 10,428

43. Wake Forest 17 174,992 10,294

44. DePaul 16 162,320 10,145

45. Oklahoma 16 160,371 10,023

46. Texas Tech 16 160,155 10,010

47. LSU 18 180,038 10,002

48. Michigan 21 209,327 9,968

49. Washington 19 188,305 9,911

50. Xavier 15 148,650 9,910

51. Virginia Tech 15 147,330 9,822

52. Texas A&M 19 186,420 9,812

53. Bradley 17 165,376 9,728

54. St. Louis 15 145,002 9,667

55. Utah 15 142,833 9,522

56. West Virginia 18 169,557 9,420

57. New Mexico St. 20 188,254 9,413

58. Duke 19 176,966 9,314

59. Georgia Tech 17 156,247 9,191

60. Notre Dame 18 162,485 9,027

Rank School G Attendance Average

61. Nevada 16 142,442 8,903

62. Mississippi St. 19 168,763 8,882

63. Cincinnati 18 158,966 8,831

64. UTEP 18 156,729 8,707

65. California 15 126,650 8,443

66. Utah St. 14 118,131 8,438

67. Oregon 18 151,576 8,421

68. Providence 19 159,798 8,410

69. Missouri 19 156,612 8,243

70. Penn St. 19 151,785 7,989

71. San Diego St. 16 125,135 7,821

72. Southern Ill. 13 100,655 7,743

73. Florida St. 19 142,416 7,496

74. Georgia 18 132,048 7,336

75. Clemson 20 146,583 7,329

76. Washington St. 15 107,653 7,177

77. Missouri St. 17 121,984 7,176

78. Stanford 17 120,204 7,071

79. Arizona St. 18 124,756 6,931

80. St. John's (N.Y.) 19 131,477 6,920

Rank School G Attendance Average

81. Boston College 18 124,486 6,916

82. George Mason 13 88,837 6,834

83. Seton Hall 16 106,169 6,636

84. Oral Roberts 14 90,775 6,484

85. Hawaii 16 102,959 6,435

86. Gonzaga 13 83,272 6,406

87. UNI 14 88,170 6,298

88. Old Dominion 17 105,851 6,227

89. Wyoming 14 84,963 6,069

90. Baylor 18 109,174 6,065

91. Charlotte 14 84,360 6,026

92. Massachusetts 14 83,542 5,967

93. Wright St. 15 87,962 5,864

94. Siena 14 81,670 5,834

95. Southern California 18 104,357 5,798

96. Toledo 11 63,265 5,751

97. Butler 15 86,005 5,734

98. VCU 14 78,963 5,640

99. Evansville 15 82,407 5,494

100. Drake 15 81,870 5,458

What apples are we comparing? What's the point here?

[davidnark]

What apples are we comparing? What's the point here?

Again, of the schools you highlighted IMO the two best collegiate atmospheres are Xavier and Gonzaga. When packed, Creighton (which is the only sport in town) and Marquette have very nice atmospheres, but they don't compare to the great scenes at Xavier and Gonzaga. Also, Marquette has been on a nice run since Wade came, but the Bradley Center was a half-empty tomb with little atmosphere for much of its existence.

At the end of the day, we are arguing about something that is truly subjective opinion. I just personally favor a more intimate arena and the resulting home court advantage.

[TEE]

Chaifetz is very real example of the culture of athletics being changed at SLU. The Chaifetz complex is awesome, when finished it will be one of the finest division 1 athletic complexes in the nation. by cutting 2,400 meaningless seats, SLU finally has something that is comparable to BCS programs. The locker rooms, sports medicine, weight training - not to mention the actual arena itself gives SLU a decided recruiting advantage.

I don't think you understand how important all the bells and whistles that Chaifetz has are to the entire program. Kudos to all who helped create this fantastic building/complex. I always said SLU should spoil their student athletes, by God this building does that, plus it will spoil the students, fans and supporters of SLU athletics - especially basketball. To all those who want to buy SLU gear, your prayers have been answered - there will be a TEAM SHOP. The Loyal Blue Club is like the old Arena Club / LA Forum Club. Actual public display of SLU trophies and Billiken Hall of Fame. The four replay boards make the dome's replay boards look like my parents old counsel tv.

Chaifetz may only seat 10,600 but we have better facilities as of 4/08 than any school in the A10, the Valley, Marquette or DePaul.

There is no reason why SLU shouldn't be ranked in the top 15 in five years, Chaifetz offers no excuses.

[billikenfan05]

And it will be the only on campus arena to serve alcohol in all of college basketball

[Clock_Tower]

Chaifetz is very real example of the culture of athletics being changed at SLU. The Chaifetz complex is awesome, when finished it will be one of the finest division 1 athletic complexes in the nation. by cutting 2,400 meaningless seats, SLU finally has something that is comparable to BCS programs. The locker rooms, sports medicine, weight training - not to mention the actual arena itself gives SLU a decided recruiting advantage.

I don't think you understand how important all the bells and whistles that Chaifetz has are to the entire program. Kudos to all who helped create this fantastic building/complex. I always said SLU should spoil their student athletes, by God this building does that, plus it will spoil the students, fans and supporters of SLU athletics - especially basketball. To all those who want to buy SLU gear, your prayers have been answered - there will be a TEAM SHOP. The Loyal Blue Club is like the old Arena Club / LA Forum Club. Actual public display of SLU trophies and Billiken Hall of Fame. The four replay boards make the dome's replay boards look like my parents old counsel tv.

Chaifetz may only seat 10,600 but we have better facilities as of 4/08 than any school in the A10, the Valley, Marquette or DePaul.

There is no reason why SLU shouldn't be ranked in the top 15 in five years, Chaifetz offers no excuses.

I will simply enjoy the ability to walk into the "home of the Billikens" and, for the first time in years, see a picture, banner, sign or something depicting a Billiken player, coach, etc.

Also, am excited we will be able to say, "Yes, we can and will play you (xyz team) on Wedneday night, the 15th of January, 2011" and not have to say "Yes, we would like to play you on that date but will not know for certain until 7 months and after the Blues and Barnum & Bailey pick their dates."

[billikenfan05]

I am sure that we would have scheduled many more top teams at home had we not had to deal with savtrade scheduling conflicts

[billiken_roy]

And it will be the only on campus arena to serve alcohol in all of college basketball

unless it has changed, i was able to buy a beer at the shoemaker center in cincy back in the 90's.

[billiken_roy]

Also, am excited we will be able to say, "Yes, we can and will play you (xyz team) on Wedneday night, the 15th of January, 2011" and not have to say "Yes, we would like to play you on that date but will not know for certain until 7 months and after the Blues and Barnum & Bailey pick their dates."

ding ding ding ding!!!!! the winner!!!!

[brianstl]

unless it has changed, i was able to buy a beer at the shoemaker center in cincy back in the 90's.

If you sit in certain areas, you can buy a beer at Mizzou Arena.

[Iggy]

And it will be the only on campus arena to serve alcohol in all of college basketball

I drank beer at the Dayton Arena.

[ACE]

The problem is that what SLU needed the most was the ahtletic offices, coaches suites, etc. That's what turned off recuits.

Earlier you said, "The only thing that would make Chaifetz better would be if it held the 13,000 seats everyone was promised and the program really needs. "

But a little later you say what they needed most were the athletic offices, etc.

Which is it that they need most?