billiken_roy Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/st...+of+area's+best great job nate! thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikan Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 This was a great article! Luke seems like the perfect player for our Bilikens and Coach Brad. When the three recruits were signed I think Luke was not as well known as Polk and Tommie but this gives him a nice boost in people's awareness of his ability. Very nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slu72 Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Comparisons to David Lee and McKinney, that's pretty strong stuff. And we didn't need to entice him with sexy Gator coeds or promises of future employment as a WalMart exec. Hmmmm. I know this will tick off Cheesycow, but could the transfer UB be hinting at be Mr. McKinney? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Thanks for the article Nate...I believe Bills fans will like Luke...I have watched the Borgia program for many years...They have had good coaching for as long as I can remember...The present coach (Neier) is excellent...Before him, they had a legend (Name Escapes Me), that people in Washington loved...I can remember stories about him letting kids in the gyn on week ends to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
p diddy Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 i believe the coach's name was ray degreef. bad boyz for life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Thanks P Diddy...That is the correct name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidlee Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Comparisons to David Lee and McKinney: I have not seen Meyer play so I was wondering what those who have seen him play think about this commparison. Is it accurate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseugnekillib Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 The only fair comparison I see is on the stats side...total points scored and the fact that all three have a huge passion for bball. Lee has the size and strength. McKinney has 2G or PG size/skills. Meyer is more a SF/2G. All three can score. Which player of the three is most likely will make the jump to the NBA, I'd bet on David Lee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willie Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I don't see David Lee makeing it as a pro. I don't think he's big enough to play inside and doesn't shoot well enough to take it outside. He's a very good college player but I think will be undersized at the next level. If he has an outside shot I haven't seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I've had the Kirk Penney/Brian Wardle comparison stuck in mind but whoever mentioned Tom Kleinschmidt on the board a couple of months ago probably paitned a more accurate picture. Luke is driving, stopping and popping the vast majority of the time, just like Kleinschmidt used to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Latsch Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Borgia's current coach, Dave Neier, won his 400th game recently. DeGreef is the school's all-time wins leader with more than 700. Pretty impressive stuff. - Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Latsch Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 I talked to a couple coaches who told me Luke should do well in SLU's offense, because he's so good at working off screen and knocking down that mid-range jumper. - Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Latsch Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Next season Borgia will have three guys playing Division I basketball: Luke Meyer (SLU), Sky Frazier (Southwest Missouri State) and Josh Warren (Southern Illinois). - Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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kshoe Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 analysis on a single highschool coaches opinion. I remember a few years ago when McKinney was about to graduate, Desmet's head coach loved to state that Jimmy was the most "complete" St. Louis area ballplayer since Jo-Jo-White. This was going on during the "love-fest" between Desmet and Vashon where neither would criticize the other. Basically, he was saying the Legend wasn't a good shooter. You can define "complete" anyway you want but clearly Jimmy's career has not been as successful as Larrys. By the same token if we get a Jimmy McKinney or David Lee quality player out of Luke I will be very excited...and surprised. I have high hopes for Luke but not that high. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted February 10, 2004 Share Posted February 10, 2004 Jimmy was a very good shooter in high school but so was Larry. When you nail 67 threes at a 41% clip against constant double teams, that has to be respected. http://prepsports3.stltoday.com/basketball...ts/TEAM0998.HTM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikan Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I have known David for some time and the word I get is that he has decided to come out early for the NBA this year. I agree that he needs to bulk up but I think his all court game may be better suited to the NBA. the problem I see is that he is now playing the 4 and there is no way he has the strength to guard the 4 position in the pros. Also, many of the 4s in the NBA are much taller. So he has to play the 3 and I have not seen any indication that he has the ability to play defense on an outside player, nor does he have any real range on his shot. He is a classic "tweener" for the pros. If he were from Europe I am sure he would be drafted in the first round because of the mystique and current popularity of foreign players in the NBA. One wild card in the whole situation is that David has had a very rocky relationship with Donovan--not public but it has been a real problem for him. It will be interesting to see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Latsch Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 I've also heard from a source close to Lee that he will leave Florida after this season. That's not surprising, considering when he was a high school senior he frequently talked about leaving after two years and even slightly (though probably not seriously) considered skipping college. I've talked to several people about his NBA prospects. It's tough to figure. He is 6-foot-9 and has added muscle and strength, but he still isn't a reliable perimeter shooter. Now, he's probably one of the best passers and rebounders in college basketball for his size and is more athletic than taller forwards, so it's tough to tell how that will translate to the next level. Hopefully he'll be a late first-round pick and go to a good team where he can prove himself coming off the bench for a couple seasons and have a long NBA career. If he falls to the second round, he might be bouncing around the NBDL and Europe for a couple years. - Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Latsch Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 >analysis on a single highschool coaches opinion. I remember >a few years ago when McKinney was about to graduate, >Desmet's head coach loved to state that Jimmy was the most >"complete" St. Louis area ballplayer since Jo-Jo-White. This >was going on during the "love-fest" between Desmet and >Vashon where neither would criticize the other. Basically, >he was saying the Legend wasn't a good shooter. Kevin Walsh watched Luke Meyer score 76 points in seven quarters last week, so of course the coach is going to be impressed. Walsh has seen a lot of good players come through the Metro Catholic Conference the last few years -- Southwest Missouri State's Blake Ahearn (DeSmet) and Tamar Maclin (CBC) included -- so if the coach says Meyer was as good as those guys than the comment carries some weight. Meyer isn't as good as David Lee or Jimmy McKinney, but he's definitely impressed a lot of people with the way he has played this year. A very good basketball evaluator told me recently that Borgia only really has "one and a half players," talking about Meyer and sophomore PG Alex Moosmann. For Meyer to average 29 points a game with the entire focus of every team Borgia plays, that's pretty impressive. The way Meyer is piling up points -- knocking down mid-range jumpers and working off screens -- makes those statistics even more impressive. He's not just scoring in the post off of players five inches shorter than him or taking 15 3-pointers a game and knocking down three or four. Before this season I wondered if Luke was good enough to contribute to SLU early in his college career. After seeing him a couple times this winter, I think he'll be a steady contributor off the bench for four seasons. I don't think he has the "star" potential of a Tommie Liddell or Dwayne Polk, but I think he'll help SLU win games as a role player. - Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Isn't David Lee a senior? I am almost positive he is. His chances in the NBA IMO, slim and none. He is a good college player, certainly not great and never came anywhere close to the hype he recieved coming out of HS where he was ranked in the top 5 in his class. He is a tweener. No position, too small and lacks skill sets to be a PF, too slow to guard anyone on the perimeter and has few if any ballhandling skills and his outside shot is non existent. Mark Madsen and Luke Walton barely have hung on in the league and Lee is not as good as them while being a similar player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 His size is similar to Highmark's. High had a great career at SLU. I wonder if Scott has seen Luke play, and what his evaluation is. Kleinschmidt didn't come off the bench at Marquette... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 11, 2004 Author Share Posted February 11, 2004 david lee is only a junior. i would take him before walton and madsen. he is far more athletic and a better shooter than madsen or walton. fyi to those poohing his shooting, he shoots almost 60% from the field. as a high school senior i thought he was a very good shooter for his size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted February 11, 2004 Author Share Posted February 11, 2004 kleinschmidt played for depaul and indeed was a starter all four seasons there. and if it is wardle at marquette you are thinking of, he too started all four years i believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billikan Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 You are right that he is a junior. I confirmed tonight that he recently was telling people that he was going to declare this year but it may just be talk. I agree he is a much better all around open court player than Walton and Madsen but he is not as strong. He is shooting such a high percentage because he never shoots beyond about 5 feet from the basket. Even in high school he seldom shot from outside although he seemed to be a better free throw shooter then than he is now. I wonder how he will be rated by the scouts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted February 11, 2004 Share Posted February 11, 2004 Even at the college level I don't see Lee as an elite PF. Wouldn't you take Turiaf, Okafor and Gomes before him? Donovan also has a poor track record of preparing guys for the NBA. With all the talent he had there no one has really performed in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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