jbizzle09 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Well, I can see this thread is going down a constructive path. I am actually pretty excited to see where this goes. Perhaps Steve can even give Metz a 24 hour reprieve just so we can see how far downward this can truly spiral. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I support moving the entire campus, MVC HQ and an abortionplex to Salina, KS. What about the paystubs? Should the payroll department move to Salina as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 What about the paystubs? Should the payroll department move to Salina as well? Oh, I think that's a given. They could set up kiosks at which you can print up your paystub on the spot and present it to whoever may be demanding to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Oh, I think that's a given. They could set up kiosks at which you can print up your paystub on the spot and present it to whoever may be demanding to see it. I guess I am okay with it, as long as Blake Ahearn is managing the kiosks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Pine Jim Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Are we already abandoning Otterville, IL. ? All the advantages of Hooterville but it's in the direction of the Big East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM28 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Are we already abandoning Otterville, IL. ? All the advantages of Hooterville but it's in the direction of the Big East. Excellent point. I don't think we will be attracting many prospective students from Salina, KS. We need those east coast smart guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I was able to snap a recent picture of Salina on my way to Oklahoma over the holidays. You sure you want to miss out on this? As you can see, Salina is very cosmopolitan: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 I wonder how people defending SLU here would feel about the historic value of the complex if it was being torn down to make way for a Planned Parenthood facilty. If Planned Parenthood bought it without government funding it would be none of my business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 23, 2012 Share Posted February 23, 2012 Yes an abortionplex. My thought was that a lot of the support was knee jerk because SLU is doing it. Maybe, I am wrong on that front. My main problem is we all know what ends up going in there is going to be ugly and uninspired just like every other building Biondi has built and every piece of art Biondi has put on campus. For all the talk about wanting to be the best Catholic University in the country the campus looks more like a directional state school every year. Isn't ugly a matter of opinion? I think the new building on Grand looks nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Bill Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Wow. The old "Reinert looked at moving" mythology now institutionalized. There were more than a few of us who were actually at SLU 35 years ago. Including people who actively covered SLU news. Including people who had, say, relatives on various faculty and university governance committees. If this happened, it happened in the double-secret probation room of then-still-standing DeSmet Hall. No, that was the math department. Reinert & McGannon kept the Jesuit master plan for St. Louis locked in the Verhaegen exorcist suite. Bonwich, I moved away, but didn't the notion to deprecate the midtown campuses occur in the lacuna between Reinert & Biondi? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 No, that was the math department. Reinert & McGannon kept the Jesuit master plan for St. Louis locked in the Verhaegen exorcist suite. Bonwich, I moved away, but didn't the notion to deprecate the midtown campuses occur in the lacuna between Reinert & Biondi? Remember, Reinert stayed on as "chancellor" for quite a while after he stepped down as president. In the "35 years ago" time frame, the presidents were O'Connell, placeholder Drummond and Fitzgerald. I don't recall any of them being down on the midtown location; that was the period when they bought Xavier, for example, and tore down a couple of the old halls to try to redefine the campus. On this board, and occasionally in the media, there's repetition of the urban myth that Reinert looked at moving to West County. If you look at the timeline of the projects that Reinert oversaw while he was here, however, that idea holds no water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pistol Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 From NextSTL: Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:42 Written by Alex Ihnen There’s exaggeration, there’s hyperbole and there’s lying. It’s easy to say that someone is exaggerating. Saying so is a rather bland assertion and one that few really object to. Accusing one of hyperbole requires a little more substance. And to call someone a liar you had better know what you’re talking about. Father Biondi is a liar. Of course he also exaggerates and is prone to hyperbole. Saying that Saint Louis University needs to demolish the Pevely complex to compete against hospitals in St. Louis County is an exaggeration. Stating that SLU Care physicians would flee the hospital if Pevely were to remain is hyperbole. Claiming that the university hospital and medical school would move to the county if Pevely is not destroyed is a lie. The December Preservation Board hearing regarding Pevely was a veritable kitchen sink performance by SLU. University administrators testified that they thought the building was ugly. The school claimed that they couldn’t fulfill their mission of providing healthcare to the underserved is the building was left standing. They claimed they had exhausted options for reuse. Father Biondi reminded the board of the good things the Jesuit school does. The project architect claimed that while listed on the National Register of Historic Places, the National Park Service designation really doesn’t count because he says so. These are all degrees of exaggeration, hyperbole and non-sequitur, and all were aimed at convincing the Board that in this case, the city ordinance declaring that buildings listed on the National Register as high-merit should not be demolished should be ignored. The Board didn’t buy it. But they did seek a reasonable compromise. SLU would be allowed to clear the two largest buildings of the high-merit complex, freeing more than 90% of the site for development, while leaving the smokestack and most significant building standing. We’ll likely never know what specifically compelled the Planning Commission to reverse the Preservation Board decision. Members are not required to explain their votes. But in a perverse effort to exert the greatest amount of pressure, Father Biondi let everyone know that if he didn’t get his way, the hospital and medical school would shut down and move to St. Louis County. He lied. No one called him on it. Not a single commission member bothered to ask if this were even plausible. It’s not. Hospitals and medical schools are not simply shut down and moved. The lie was directed at the City’s insecurity. After all, didn’t a number of hospitals flee in the 1950s and 60s? Aren’t we constantly competing with Clayton and Chesterfield for jobs? Moving a major medical center takes years of planning, years of fundraising and then years of building. Such a move would also not be the decision of Father Biondi. The State of Missouri has a say in where hospitals are located. The state Department of Health and Senior Services would take quite an interest in this decision. A medical center is not a law school. It is also not Father Biondi’s decision as the hospital is owned by Tenet Healthcare. SLU has been exploring the option to buy back the hospital it sold in 1998, but the latest rumors are that they have concluded that it’s not financial feasible. After the Planning Commission’s reversal, Biondi was asked about his claim of being offered land near Maryville University to relocate the hospital and medical school. He told Michael Calhoun of KMOX flatly, "Well, this is now approved so that point is moot." He said that because he was lying. Father Biondi is a small fish swimming in a vacant tank. Like any bully, he’ll continue to puff himself up and bluster on about dire consequences and spout ultimatums like a bellicose five-year-old. And like any ill-behaved child, he’ll continue his tantrums until he’s shown that it will no longer be tolerated. The City of St. Louis doesn’t have enough self-esteem to say so. Events such as this produce a toxic atmosphere, an adversarial reaction. Who’s to blame? No one person of course. We’re all to blame, but in this case the community advocating for reuse of the Pevely dedicated substantial energy and time to encourage the City to uphold its own ordinance. What that community lacked was the Big Lie, the threat that just dares anyone to call the bluff. The city chose to cower under a deluge of lies and threats instead of uphold its own ordinance and side with those using only enthusiasm, common sense, precedent and truth to argue their case. For seven decades the City of St. Louis has demolished entire neighborhoods, huge swaths of the city, homes, historic buildings and corner stores. It hasn’t worked. The belief that just one more demolition for one more game-changing building will bring about a better, more economically viable, more vibrant city, is false, but we keep buying the lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 -thanks for your opinion alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU21 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Cry me a river, that building looked awful and there was no reason to keep it standing. Keeping the Rams should be the #1 priority for any effort to "revitalize" STL. Of course the hipsters on NextSTL think sports are silly so they spend time defending Del Taco and a former milk factory. They attack anything and everything SLU does with property they own. SLU has created a college campus in the middle of a city and every alum or prospective student i have toured/talked to is amazed by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Gosh, the city of St Louis has so much going for it. I am glad we are able to pick and choose who builds a $70 Million state of the art hospital in broke down midtown. I am really glad there aren't 100s of abandoned buildings in St Louis that we can call "historic" just because someone built it 70 years ago and now a prostitute runs her business out of. 100 years from now we can claim this new building as "historic" and go on with our lives.... win win for everyone. Lets keep biting the hands that feeds you st louis... Detroit is a surely a nice city, you guys should check it out as soon as you can if you haven't been there because St Louis is becoming Detroit 2.0 ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 From NextSTL: Thursday, 23 February 2012 19:42 Written by Alex Ihnen There’s exaggeration, there’s hyperbole and there’s lying. It’s easy to say that someone is exaggerating. Saying so is a rather bland assertion and one that few really object to. Accusing one of hyperbole requires a little more substance. And to call someone a liar you had better know what you’re talking about. Father Biondi is a liar. Of course he also exaggerates and is prone to hyperbole. Saying that Saint Louis University needs to demolish the Pevely complex to compete against hospitals in St. Louis County is an exaggeration. Stating that SLU Care physicians would flee the hospital if Pevely were to remain is hyperbole. Claiming that the university hospital and medical school would move to the county if Pevely is not destroyed is a lie. The December Preservation Board hearing regarding Pevely was a veritable kitchen sink performance by SLU. University administrators testified that they thought the building was ugly. The school claimed that they couldn’t fulfill their mission of providing healthcare to the underserved is the building was left standing. They claimed they had exhausted options for reuse. Father Biondi reminded the board of the good things the Jesuit school does. The project architect claimed that while listed on the National Register of Historic Places, the National Park Service designation really doesn’t count because he says so. These are all degrees of exaggeration, hyperbole and non-sequitur, and all were aimed at convincing the Board that in this case, the city ordinance declaring that buildings listed on the National Register as high-merit should not be demolished should be ignored. The Board didn’t buy it. But they did seek a reasonable compromise. SLU would be allowed to clear the two largest buildings of the high-merit complex, freeing more than 90% of the site for development, while leaving the smokestack and most significant building standing. We’ll likely never know what specifically compelled the Planning Commission to reverse the Preservation Board decision. Members are not required to explain their votes. But in a perverse effort to exert the greatest amount of pressure, Father Biondi let everyone know that if he didn’t get his way, the hospital and medical school would shut down and move to St. Louis County. He lied. No one called him on it. Not a single commission member bothered to ask if this were even plausible. It’s not. Hospitals and medical schools are not simply shut down and moved. The lie was directed at the City’s insecurity. After all, didn’t a number of hospitals flee in the 1950s and 60s? Aren’t we constantly competing with Clayton and Chesterfield for jobs? Moving a major medical center takes years of planning, years of fundraising and then years of building. Such a move would also not be the decision of Father Biondi. The State of Missouri has a say in where hospitals are located. The state Department of Health and Senior Services would take quite an interest in this decision. A medical center is not a law school. It is also not Father Biondi’s decision as the hospital is owned by Tenet Healthcare. SLU has been exploring the option to buy back the hospital it sold in 1998, but the latest rumors are that they have concluded that it’s not financial feasible. After the Planning Commission’s reversal, Biondi was asked about his claim of being offered land near Maryville University to relocate the hospital and medical school. He told Michael Calhoun of KMOX flatly, "Well, this is now approved so that point is moot." He said that because he was lying. Father Biondi is a small fish swimming in a vacant tank. Like any bully, he’ll continue to puff himself up and bluster on about dire consequences and spout ultimatums like a bellicose five-year-old. And like any ill-behaved child, he’ll continue his tantrums until he’s shown that it will no longer be tolerated. The City of St. Louis doesn’t have enough self-esteem to say so. Events such as this produce a toxic atmosphere, an adversarial reaction. Who’s to blame? No one person of course. We’re all to blame, but in this case the community advocating for reuse of the Pevely dedicated substantial energy and time to encourage the City to uphold its own ordinance. What that community lacked was the Big Lie, the threat that just dares anyone to call the bluff. The city chose to cower under a deluge of lies and threats instead of uphold its own ordinance and side with those using only enthusiasm, common sense, precedent and truth to argue their case. For seven decades the City of St. Louis has demolished entire neighborhoods, huge swaths of the city, homes, historic buildings and corner stores. It hasn’t worked. The belief that just one more demolition for one more game-changing building will bring about a better, more economically viable, more vibrant city, is false, but we keep buying the lie. Hello Pot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Keeping the Rams should be the #1 priority for any effort to "revitalize" STL. Good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU21 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Good one. Your right an NFL team leaving would be great for the city. Why would we want a franchise for the most popular sporting league in North America. Better to have more abandoned buildings. Hell we could even get a few walkable sidewalks. Cities with no NFL do not even register, LA being the exception but they are fighting hard to get one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 No! NO! ###### NO! We need more abandoned "historic" buildings guys! Did you see this ######? St Louis has a walkable score of 60 out of 100! We dont even fall anywhere near the Top 100 cities for walkability! NEED MORE ABANDONED HISTORIC BUILDINGS! ASAP! I think an abandoned NFL Stadium would do wonders for St. Louis... but only if its "historic"! http://www.walkscore.com/rankings/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Metzinger Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Your right an NFL team leaving would be great for the city. Why would we want a franchise for the most popular sporting league in North America. Better to have more abandoned buildings. Hell we could even get a few walkable sidewalks. Cities with no NFL do not even register, LA being the exception but they are fighting hard to get one. Austin, San Antonio and Las Vegas would beg to differ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastBilliken Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Austin, San Antonio and Las Vegas would beg to differ. The 20% unemployment in Vegas, the sharp decline in the overall vegas economy, and the real estate market that wont return for 30 years would beg to differ. (even if Vegas was doing well... ugh can you say apples to oranges?) Austin and San Antonio have enough sports teams around to keep them occupied. Not to mention a booming economy due to the friendly business nature of Texas & the strong Oil / Tech markets, with floods of people moving there for those jobs. Certainly taking a lot of people from California right now. Saint Louis cannot afford to lose an NFL team. Plain and simple. No Vegas Strip. No booming economy. No strong economic industry to bring the brightest here, such as Oil&Gas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU21 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Austin, San Antonio and Las Vegas would beg to differ. Austin has UT, basically a pro sports team and the largest university in the US. San Antonio?????, who the hell wants to move to San Antonio, see "cities that don't register" Vegas is the greatest place in the world to visit. Who wants to live there though? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Austin, San Antonio and Las Vegas would beg to differ. As would Portland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Austin, San Antonio and Las Vegas would beg to differ. Austin and San Antonio have a pro football team. The same goes for the Rams as goes for the Pevely building. If it cost $.01 of tax payers money ... let them go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SShoe Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 As would Portland.It's where the dream of the 90s is alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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