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5 hours ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said:
This reminds me of the 5 different Jalen Johnsons who were concurrently playing in NCAA D1 basketball a few years ago.
My expose on Jalen Johnsons last year is some of my finest work on Billikens.com
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1 hour ago, billiken_roy said:
you definitely have more patience than me Willie. ive been a billiken since 1978 and i am at the end of my rope i know you have been a billiken longer than me and your above response is very calm and relaxed. good for you. i am not going again tomorrow night. (3rd miss this year) and i dont know if i have ever missed more than 3 times in a season since i have had tickets starting in 1988. and i am not even upset about missing. when the anger is gone and people start not caring that is a problem.
You struggled through Ekker, the end of the Grawer years, middle Sodie years, early Majerus years, later Crew & early Ford years, but you are deciding that NOW is the time to stop going to games?
That is crazy.
This team is disappointing compared to expectations, but it is still a well above the average Billiken team of the last 40+ years. It also has some wildly entertaining individual players / skillsets (Yuri - passing, Jimerson - shooting, Hargrove - dunks/athleticism, etc.) & plays at a decently fast / entertaining pace compared to Billiken teams of the past (see Sodie era).
I totally get being frustrated & disappointed. I get that leads to less enjoyment of the games. I just don't see why after putting up with Billiken fandom for so long you'd choose now to give up.
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18 hours ago, billiken_roy said:
pelican, all i am saying is that goodwin is an example he was not helped on player development while at slu. that his nba success is all him and no positive credit to ford imo.
You never addressed my post earlier where I pointed out that playing off-ball at SLU HAS helped him be more successful in the NBA.
I'll also just leave this here. This is Goodwin's 3pt % during his SLU career:
Freshman: 23.5%
Sophomore: 26.3%
Junior: 28.2%
Senior 31.4%
He's improved his shooting even more in the G-League & NBA, but that undoubtedly started at SLU.
Goodwin is a guy whose primary asset is effort. SLU/Ford certainly didn't give him the motor. That's all him. However, saying that his NBA success is ALL him and no credit to Ford is crazy. You can try to argue a different coach would have better prepared him, but there is really no good way to determine if that's true.
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39 minutes ago, JohnnyJumpUp said:
Willie Reed doesn't count?
Yep. Totally glossed over him / didn't even check the SLU teams because I had it in my head that Rickma didn't have an NBAer at SLU. Will edit my post accordingly.
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52 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:
I'm a big fan of Coach Majerus, but he put zero Billikens in the NBA. Coach Ford has one. That's the only statistic that matters for this argument. I'm not saying Coach Ford is the better coach. Just saying that we can't argue Majerus would have done more with Goodwin.
We have more data than just their time at SLU though:
Travis Ford (8 NBA players in 23 season coached):
Jordan Goodwin (SLU)
Jawun Evans (OK State)
Marcus Smart (OK State)
Markel Brown (OK State)
James Anderson (OK State)
Terrel Harris (OK State)
Gary Forbes (UMass)
Stephane Lasme (UMass)
Rick Majerus (10 NBA players in 25 seasons coached):
Willie Reed (SLU)
Andrew Bogut (Utah)
Britton Johnsen (Utah)
Lance Allred (Utah)
Hanno Mottola (Utah)
Andre Miller (Utah)
Michael Doleac (Utah)
Keith Van Horn (Utah)
Josh Grant (Utah)
Tom Copa (Marquette)
Not much of a difference overall. I'm not sure you can argue having Majerus or Ford as you college coach makes it more likely for you to get to the NBA.
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10 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
i say he is an nba player in spite of his time at slu. just an example of a what if to support my view, his freshman season goodwin played a lot more point guard than any other season as a billiken. he even had a triple double one game if i recall correctly. what position is he primarily playing right now in the nba ? point guard. now what if he had continued to be the main billiken point guard instead of some sort of undersized power forward that he was never going to play after his slu days? he would likely be a lot further along in his nba journey.
i understand he had to switch positions with collins coming in. but the debate isnt about what was best for the billikens (which jordan undoubted did what was best for the team) the point is his sacrifice retarded his future development. only because of his own will and efforts is he where he is today.
NBA teams often have multiple guys handling the ball. A guy who is billed as the "point guard" in an NBA lineup is often times not the primary ball handler especially on a team with Bradley Beal. Goodwin learning to play off-ball at SLU was a positive for his NBA development even if it may have hindered his ability to put up eye popping stat lines that may have gotten him drafted instead of having to go the G League route.
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I'm not sure if this has been posted here, but it gave me a much needed laugh after last night's debacle. Make sure to check who specifically who replied here. Can't get the link to work, so I'm positing as a picture:
Only thing more hilarious would be for one of Jett, Evans, McCall, etc. to have replied with Jim Crews
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3 hours ago, wgstl said:
Wasn't this game supposed to be played in Brooklyn or MSG?
I think when it was originally announced there was speculation that it would be played in Brooklyn or MSG because Iona had previously played a lot of non-conference games against bigger opponents away from their home arena. It was never officially announced as such, just speculation. When the schedule for this season dropped, it was always going to be at Iona.
Doesn't SLU have a decent size alumni base in NY? Kind of a bummer for them that they don't get a game at a larger venue, but if they have a decent sized crowd in a 2,500 seat gym maybe they can have an impact?
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On 12/2/2022 at 5:08 PM, BilliesBy40 said:
I get the rankings but frankly don’t find them super relevant now. Considering current form, I would easily take Japan’s path.
Love how this entire discussion was basically rendered moot because Japan lost to Croatia and Spain lost to Morocco. Didn't see that coming.
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3 hours ago, HoosierPal said:
Slazinski is a huge loss for Iona. 6'9" 215 lb inside presence who has only played two games this season, averaging 18.0 and 7.5. They will press us all game, but there should be openings in the paint for Okoro and Forrester.
Looking at the numbers Slazinski isn't really an inside presence. Last year he shot 106 3 pointers at 34% and 134 2 pointers at 40%. This season he's at 14 3s at 36% and 16 2s at 44%.
Nelly Junior Joseph is their inside guy. 6'9" 240. Almost never shoots 3s. Okoro and Forrester need to make him work and/or get him in foul trouble. Their other inside guys are 7 footers (a senior & freshman) who don't play much.
Refs calling this game tight especially on the perimeter would be really beneficial for SLU. They are a Pitino coached team, so we know they'll be pressing / clutching & grabbing. They have a big drop off on offense if we get some starters in foul trouble.
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Danny Mac is a phenomenal baseball announcer & really great at basketball too. Seems like a nice dude, but clearly struggling with alcohol issues. Really sucks because it seemed like he turned things around after the 2nd time. He absolutely needs to face real consequences this go around instead of just a slap on the wrist and the possibility of losing his job. Cardinals, SLU & Ballys need cut him loose. He should do jail time. Hope he gets his life together after.
Crappy way to get the job, but I hope Colin Suhre gets call to do play by play alongside Highmark. He’s young & needs polish, but the effort is clearly there & I think he’s got potential to be really good. Working alongside a guy like Highmark who has a lot of experience would be good for him.
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3 minutes ago, wgstl said:
yep. at this point we absolutely need to win out the rest of ooc.
I don't think 1 more loss is fatal to at-large hopes, but right now it probably means we have to go 15-3 or better in A-10 play which seems highly unlikely.
What really sucks is that this shouldn't be the case. At the beginning of the season, if you told me SLU went 10-3 in non-conference, that's probably what I would have expected & would assume they're in good shape for an NCAA bid. Most of the rest of the expected top half A-10 teams (Dayton, VCU, Loyola, Davidson, Richmond, Mason, Rhody) all underperforming has killed SLU's margin for error despite SLU pretty much being as expected as far.
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I do expect these individual A10 rankings to change wildly from now to February and especially by the end of the season. What worries me, however, is that there isn't as much time left for the A-10 to improve the rankings in aggregate.
All A-10 teams have played between 7 and 9 games so far. I'm assuming that means they've got anywhere from 3 to 6 games left on their non-conference schedules. SLU has played 9 and has 4 left.
Once non-conference play is over, there is very little A-10 can do to improve the league's ranking as a whole. The only movement would come from how nonconference opponents fare the rest of the season. As A-10 teams beat up on each other during conference play, one team goes up and another goes down, but as a whole it doesn't change. This is very bad for SLU because they are ahead of the pack by a good margin and in the NCAA bubble range so any slips losing or underperforming against lower ranked teams could cause them to miss the tournament.
Next 3 games are huge for establishing SLU as a firm NCAA team so that the inevitable stinker or 2 during A10 play won't sink our NCAA at-large hopes.
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6 minutes ago, Cowboy II said:
-JPerk, get healthy, we;re going to need you, at halftime he was on the baseline using some sort of band around his lower legs
Perk was using the band thing at halftime of Paul Quinn as well.
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Jett & McCall going to be in the house today!!!
- brianstl and Billiken Rich
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23 minutes ago, BilliesBy40 said:
Instead, Spain now will likely have to beat Portugal and France or England BEFORE the final. Reasonable people could disagree, but I would rather be where Japan is.
FIFA rankings are in parentheses below. Obviously these rankings are flawed, but it seems clear to me Spain's path is easier. Up for debate if they purposefully engineered it or not. Avoiding Brazil in the quarters is a pretty big boost to their ability to make a deeper run.
Japan's(24) most likely path is now Croatia(12), Brazil(1), Argentina(3), then France(4) or England(5) in the final.
Spain(7) has Morocco(22), Portugal(9), England(4) or France(5), and then Brazil(1) or Argentina(3) in the final.
Germany(11, but under ranked IMO) being eliminated is pretty big as well because they were a title contender that Spain now doesn't have to worry about.
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College basketball writer tweeting about the World Cup that fits right into the discussion here. I'm not super knowledgeable about soccer, but the theory here looks sound:
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Yuri is up to 11.6 assists per game this year which would be good for 3rd all-time for a single-season.
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It'll be really interesting to see what happens with Goodwin's playing time when Delon Wright comes back from injury in a few weeks. In my biased opinion, he's played well enough that he should continue getting regular minutes even ahead of Wright, Monte Morris and Will Barton. However, the Wizards may not want to sign Goodwin to a regular contract until they have to (last day of regular season to be playoff eligible & that's assuming the Wizards make the playoffs). Therefore, they may use Wright's return to give Goodwin more off days (or a stint in the G-League) so they don't exceed the 50 games he is able to play on his 2 way contract. He's already at 14 games (out of 21 team games). He's played in 12 of the last 13 with the only one missed due to injury.
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28 minutes ago, Bills By 40 said:
The moral of the story is they're only 5 spots ahead of us in KenPom despite being 7-0, but looking deeper they haven't defeated a single team in the top-150, only won by two possessions versus the best two teams they have played (156th and 192nd, both at home), and have a strength of schedule of 297 !!! That's embarrassing.
You are giving Mizzou too much credit here with their schedule. KenPom has their current non-conference SOS as 361st in the nation. That's 3rd from the bottom as KenPom lists 363 teams.
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12 minutes ago, CBFan said:
One of your favorites Parker had a nice game and what I did not expect from Parker so far this season was his ability for assists. We got to see how athletic Parker is with the coast to coast jam we just need his 3 point shots to start falling and he will be a force.
You’re seeing something I’m not with Parker & assists. He only has 2 assists all year. 1 came in the game last night. There was one play in particular where Forrester was wide open under the basket and Parker didn’t see him. Even on the coast to coast slam, he had Jimerson open in the corner & called his own number instead. He’s a scorer first & has shown flashes of brilliance in scoring the ball. I like having a guy like that though. Microwave bench scorer.
There was a play toward the end of the game where Parker passed to Cisse and started to cut, motioned to Hughes & Thames as though they weren’t doing the right thing of offense so he got the ball back from Cisse himself & just nailed a decent look from 3 with the shot clock ticking down. That’s what I like from Parker. He was the ability to make something from nothing (for himself) on offense if things don’t go right.
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Attendance was announced at 5,343. It felt like more than that in the arena, right? Definitely wasn’t packed, but seemed more than 1/2 full.
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Interesting that you could make a good argument that Ford best "coaching jobs" in terms of available talent / depth would be years that he was forced to play a limited rotation because of injuries and...er...other circumstances. He couldn't necessarily have a quick hook because there wasn't anyone else available.
2017-18 team finished tied for 5th in the A10 despite losing several players who were expected to be major contributors after situation 2.0. This team played 7 players most with Rashed Anthony on very limited minutes.
2018-19 team finished strong after the departure of Gordon & nagging injuries to Wiley, Jacobs, & Hankton limited the rotation to just 6 players.
2019-20 team finished strong after losing Thatch to illness & Jimerson to injury.