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17 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:
This is going to sound mean but this is a business. If he’s not scouting, or recruiting outside St. Louis and there’s nobody to recruit in St Louis:
Tate is also our lead juco recruiter. Parker is our leading scorer. I don't think Tate's recruiting is even in the top 5 of our problems. A new coach will most likely bring in his own staff anyway.
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7 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
that's hard for me to believe as i have become so disapointed on our point guards on this team. turnovers has been the achilles heel for this season and one has to believe if he approaches his older brother's ability to be a point guard he would fix that problem or at least decrease it. so to say he would be 6th man means he couldnt oust either one of our point guards?
i admit i havent seen him play, so i cant comment beyond the above, but i have more confidence in your player takes than anyone on this board.
Zyree is more of a combo guard. But considering Medley's offensive struggles and Meadows' health problems, he's probably an upgrade at the point.
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The high school talent in the St. Louis metro area has been solid but unspectacular in the last two years. That's not Coach Tate's fault.
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31 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:
The way I learn about everything else. We have a small and passionate community of Billiken fans who all share information here and other places, then I cross reference. Also one of my closest friends is @Pistol who has his finger on the pulse of our recruiting activity.
I don’t have concrete certainty on Zyree. But I’m 100% on Walsh.
That's too bad on Walsh. He's is a solid mid-major recruit based on what I've seen so far. Somebody that could give you 10 min a game as a freshman. Zyree would be the 6th man on this team.
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4 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said:
For what reason? He hasn't kept his finger on the pulse the last 24 months. We have neglected both Zyree Collins and Luke Walsh.
How do you know that? We offered them first.
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8 minutes ago, cgeldmacher said:
I want to provide some clarity on my thoughts on Schertz vs Mack. Schertz has been coaching a D1 program for two and a half season and has been successful in the last year and a half. He has no wins over any team of consequence during that time. This doesn't mean he wouldn't be successful at SLU. It just means he doesn't really have a track record to rely on.
Chris Mack coached Xavier for 9 seasons. During that time, they went to the NCAA tournament 8 times, to the Sweet 16 four times, and to the Elite 8 once. In his first two years at Louisville, they should have gone to the tournament twice, but one year got messed up due to Covid. He went 13-7 in the next weird 20/21 Covid season. Then got fired halfway through the next season.
Given the above, I don't think it's a close call by any means. That being said, I do understand the idea that guys want to look to someone they feel we have a reasonable chance of getting. However, if we had a chance to get both, Mack is the clear winner.
Clearly. And I wish Mack well at his next P6 job, where he's had a long track record of success.
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1 minute ago, cgeldmacher said:
Everyone is in love with Schertz, but his evidence of success at the D-1 level consists of one and a half seasons and no tournament appearances yet. It's amazing to me how the momentum on this board flows. In the past, guys were absolutely adamant that we get a guy with a history of success in getting to the tournament. Now, because a guy's name is popular, its okay to get a guy with no track record.
Let's look at this season. Who is Indiana State's biggest win this season? I don't see one. They have lost to Michigan State (by 10), Alabama (by 22), Drake (by 11), Illinois State (by 13), and Carbondale (by 5). I have to guess their biggest win is over Drake by 8, but this is just a wash since they lost to them by 11 on the road. Is this the track record you guys are all fired up about?
I think reality has set in and MBMs realize a proven winner who is in the midst of a winning season is not in the cards. You're either getting an unproven coach who's currently winning or a proven coach who's not. A guy who checks both boxes is in line for a P6 job. So Schertz two weeks ago -- meh. Schertz now -- perfect fit.
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54 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
i think ALL as in Ford, May the BoT, the boosters, all knew the effects that NiL was going to have. unfortunately, they also believed that the billiken fandom would forgive, forget and accept all their excuses and if a total fail (as in now) they could draw straws for the fall guy and we blindly would play the part of Kevin Bacon in Animal House and repeat over and over "all is well". we are the fall. the victims. the unwitting stooges. and judging by all the other times that the billiken fandom has faced this, (ekker time, the end of grawer, romar/soderberg, crewsplatt and ford tough) they will expect us to be the good little lemmings and fall in line and accept.
The BOT will continue hiring glorified secretaries because they like it that way. MBMs know they can't do anything about the root cause of the problem, so we attack the figurehead. They get away unscathed and we get somebody to throw fruit at. It's a win-win.
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50 minutes ago, slufan13 said:
One thing for me in the coaching search is that I would like to get rid of the mentality that we need to hire a guy who is never going to want to leave for a bigger job. If the next coach we hire leaves SLU for a Big 10 job in 3 years, I will be pretty happy with the success it means we had.
Other than one of us striking the lottery and taking over the Board of Trustees, I'm not sure how you get rid of the mentality. Nothing I've read on any of these threads convinces me that they will ever do business differently.
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1 hour ago, billiken_roy said:
i have long believed defense and rebounding is more about hustle, effort and desire. this team has little if any of those attributes. which means ford failed in assessing the most difficult attribute of players when he put this team together. character.
that said, at the end of the grawer era, after his great bonner, gray and douglas teams he too was stretching and reaching on the likes of character for his last couple years recruiting. he did bring in claggett and highmark but by then it was too late and he was toast at the end of that season. meanwhile we saw his core last team have players just literally walk off the floor and disappear never to be seen on a college basketball court again, he had one player leave after a game and later that week show up on a college team in kentucky (memory tells me it was D-2 team) big Mel quit and surfaced in Arizona, the whole program turned to crap.
there is nothing to be gained by waiting any longer and sooner ford is washed out, the sooner we can head off any more damage to the program. I truly dont see a reason to continue to ride this nightmare. i know myself, apathy is coming into play. i looked at the box score tuesday night and didnt care a bit. Saturday i am giving my seats to the couple that sits next to us so i am free to go to my 10 year old grandson's select games. i honestly have to say, ford sticking around at this point will truly make me have a come to jesus meeting with myself on renewing my tickets.
There are players in the NBA who are poor defensively. It doesn't mean they lack character. It means they're poor defensively. It's not something they value. You can say that someone who doesn't share your values lacks character, but I think that's overstating it.
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It's almost as if Coach Ford believed that he could teach a group of poor defensive players to become good defensive players. You can't. As far as I can tell, no one can. And if you're not halfway decent on defense it doesn't matter how many points you score.
I am shocked that this team has only gotten worse defensively as the season progressed. That's a humongous coaching fail.
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48 minutes ago, Fraz said:
This is the biggest thing for me. Nothing in the pipeline. Where is the talent? He’s brought in loaded classes before. He needs one now more than ever.
How do you have a coach whose strength is recruiting, not recruit? We banking on his understanding of NIL and the portal he’s gained over the “last month” to bail out his skeleton crew of a roster for next season?
Hell I might even be willing to give him an extra year if there was talent coming in. See Coach Gates at Mizzou- easily on the hot seat with 0 SEC wins but nothing else matters w a top 5 class coming in
A Ford-coached team with Davell Roby as his best player, Mike Crawford as his second-best player and Aaron Hines at point had a better record than this one does. That team was average on defense.
It doesn't take a huge NIL budget to bring in a couple of standout defenders to at least bring the defense up to average. I have no doubt that a man looking to save his job can accomplish this. It's just bizarre that a coach who has put some pretty good defensive teams on the floor over the last 20 years, put us in this position.
I've beaten the drum that the Board of Trustees has to be the change we're looking for. I just don't think they have it in them. I'd love to be proven wrong.
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1 hour ago, Taj79 said:
@Soderball: good points all. No arguments from me.
However, how about we eliminate college athletic scholarships completely. Tell a kid "hey, you're getting $250k annually, you can afford to pay your own way to our $60k annually school and still be $190k in the black." Of course, that likely won't work for the Djorde Curcic's of the world. That would be funny.
Moreso now than ever I agree that they are mercenaries. It is likely the final nail in my college viewership coffin. As I noted in a previous thread, I am caught between rooting for the guys to win and for CTF to lose. Now, it seems I just don't care one way or the other. New coach? Again, really don't care. I've come to the realization that the root cause of the problem is the school itself. No matter what the situation is that presents itself, Saint Louis University will always go the wrong way. The names may change but the reality and plight never does. I used to be an avid spectator. I am fast becoming an occasional spectator. And the same can be said for all of college basketball ---- I used to believe A10 viewing, Uconn/Marquette viewing, Ohio State/Michigan State viewing were all sacred and needed to be seen. Even the one-and-doners seem to be gone ... off to the G League right away. Now the NBA minor leagues following the Pay For Play initiatives.
Good thing golf season is cranking up.
Deep down, I think every MBM understands what I bolded from your post. But it's a depressing realization. At least flogging the current coach and AD keeps the dream alive. Maybe the powers that be can change our plight by accident? The universe conspired to give us Majerus. Maybe it can happen again.
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8 minutes ago, thetorch said:
If you can stand living in New Mexico than that gig is one of the best in the country. Huge fan support, no media pressure, great facilities and gobs of money thrown at you. I think the SLU job is good but New Mexico is better.
I think Pitino is rounding into form as a HC. The Minnesota job sucks, no one wins there and no one wants to coach there. He's put New Mexico back on the map.
His offensive style leaves a lot to be desired and his recruiting is strange. He likes to recruit transfers and international. Local recruiting will dry up. He's not a bad candidate by any means but I don't know if he's in my top 5. I hope this is an indication that SLU is looking at legit candidates and not retired bums like Tom Crean.
Pitino recruited lots of Minnesota kids when he was at Minnesota. He probably went heavy on the transfers at his new gig because New Mexico isn't exactly a basketball hot bed.
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50 minutes ago, House said:
Heard some rumblings this week. I was told by a friend that the newspaper in Minneapolis had an article on possible coaching changes. In the article, they speculated that former Minnesota coach, Richard Pitino was headed to SLU.
His teams were very up and down at Minnesota, but he had just 1 year of head coaching experience when they hired him. Looks like he has figured out the transfer portal at New Mexico.
Thoughts?
He's a name, he's having success at the mid major level and he's only 41 years old. There's a lot to like whether you are Board of Trustee member or an MBM. He's done a good job of reshaping his reputation as a coach.
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50 minutes ago, ACE said:
We're just seeing what Gibby looks like without Yuri... which is a less efficient Gibby.
The old Jimerson was without Yuri and Parker for 15 games and was averaging nearly 17 ppg. He disappeared at VCU and has never been seen again.
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If we can get the old Jimerson back, the Bills at least have a chance to a respectable end of the season. I've given up hope on marginal improvement to the defense. First team to 80 wins.
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This isn't football. All you need is 2 players to totally overhaul a basketball defense. You put a strong post defender and an experienced ball hawk at point guard on this team and most of our defensive problems go away. The issue is why wasn't this done in the offseason? You don't need a ton of NIL money to get those players. You need a ton of NIL money to get extra-talented players to cover up the coach's lack of an offensive and defensive philosophy.
The player Travis Ford was a basketball thinker on the court. Why does the coach Travis Ford construct a roster that he has to do all the thinking for?
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42 minutes ago, someoneelse said:
I think it was Ed O'Bannon.
Once colleges woke up and determined what a gold mine a good college athletics department was for literal gold, and reputation, coaches were better paid, facilities were better etc. Everyone got rich off it but the players. I don't think $500 per month keeps the troops in line with Jimbo Fischer getting $75? MM.
Remember the Flutie effect? I toured Villanova in the late 80s and the tourguide openly said that their applicant pool got better since winning the national title.
Coaches were not making that kind of coin 20 years ago. If you would have offered a $500 stipend to athletes back then, 99% of them would have gladly taken it. Instead they were told they were getting a free education and shut up.
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11 minutes ago, OkieBilliken said:
For twenty years all we heard people say is "We should just pay the players." And now we are here. Great job geniuses. You are about to completely ruin college football and basketball.
I've never been more ready for college baseball and soccer season. Two weeks from tomorrow I will be watching the Bills play in Port Charlotte. No worrying about NIL money there. Hell we don't even have grass on our outfield.
Passing a rule to pay the athletes a $500 month stipend seems like common sense today. It was only fair since they were not allowed to have summer jobs and college sports has grown into a multi-billion dollar enterprise. But the institutions involved, both the NCAA and its member schools, were too greedy. And too short-sighted. The folks who could have addressed the issue 20 years ago are retired or gone today.
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If Coach Ford is the coach for the next several years, how many MBMs plan to cancel their tickets next year?
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15 minutes ago, TheA_Bomb said:
The best teams are player led teams. I think the most telling comment by Ford last season was one about how the team was uncharacteristically quiet. He mentioned that outside people he invited in to observe noticed it. Just a guess but Goodwin was a leader on and off the court. We seem to lack that now. That's part of recruiting getting those personality "culture" fits.
Also consider that a coaches' team usually takes on the Identity of the coach. Maybe we'll see this less often in the portal era but I don't feel there's been a Ford identity.
I really do believe that recruiting is 75% of the job. Brian Conklin and Dwayne Evans didn't suddenly become leaders because Majerus recruited them. Their leadership qualities were part of the reason why they were recruited. You need players on your team that other players naturally follow. When those players are also the best players on your team there's a multiplier effect.
If Coach recruited fiery undersized perfectionists like himself he would be better off. At least his teams would have a consistent identity.
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5 minutes ago, CenHudDude said:
How do you explain though that the Billikens were up 3 at the half? Did the guys go into the locker room and say “Ok, let’s quit on the coach”?
This team goes as its leaders go. Specifically Jimerson. When he doesn't bring it, there's a domino effect on the rest of the team. Once the pressure is turned up in the 2nd half, the game is effectively over.
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29 minutes ago, Taj79 said:
In case you missed it: Grant Huffman and Angelo Brizzi against Cian Medley and Mike Meadows Wednesday night:
Huffman/Brizzi Medley/Meadows
Points: 38 4
Assists: 10 5
Rebounds: 8 3
3pts: 5 - 7 0 - 2
Turnovers: 1 3
Combined, Meadows, Medley, Hughes and Jimerson were 3 of 16. Let's watch Saturday and see how far out Umass pushes our points as they cross the half court line.
That's what quitting looks like. Davidson could smell it on our guys and embarrassed us on our home court. What a mess.
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Some of us MBMs have been waiting 30+ years for the AD to work in an advisory capacity to the Board. All we've ever seen is the Board or the President running over the AD. That's the culture at SLU. We have no reason to believe that hiring another AD will change the culture. A small group of boosters will determine who the next coach will be and whoever the AD is will rubber stamp the decision. I'd love to be proven wrong.