slufanskip Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 If you could have any attributes you wanted from the 3 guard positions ... what would you want ie ... pg. Vision, quickness, ability to control the tempo of the game, ability to get to the ball to the open man. sg. Good outside shot, strength, ability to get by his man when they close to quick, defense, vision, passing. wing. ability to get to the hole and finish, decent outside shot. great defense, rebounding, and good vision with passing skills. Your ideas may be different than mine ... but what do you think. Now lists the current Bills in how they fit into your positions For me it would be pg. Tommie, Dwayne, Kevin, Drejaj sg. Kevin, Danny, Drejaj, Tommie wg. Tommie, Danny, Luke, Kevin, Drejaj My starting 3 would be Tommie at the 1, Kevin the 2, and Danny at the 3. I think the reason I would choose this over Dwayne at the 1, kevin at the 2 and Tommie at the 3 ... is defense. With those 3 on the floor for 30 minutes or more per game we could shut down opponents perimiter games and ability to get to the basket. We could also creat quite a few turnovers resulting in some easy baskets Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 31, 2005 Share Posted October 31, 2005 a question i have for you skip is what is the difference in todays game between a sg and a wg? i think they are one and the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted October 31, 2005 Author Share Posted October 31, 2005 I don't ... I see the differences as the differences between say, Danny and Kevin ... ideally for me the wing guard would be taller, more of a slasher ... with the shooting guard being a better outside shooter a zone buster ... I understand that depending on the talent you have they could be interchangeable ... but I'm talking ideally. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 The missionary position is fundamentally sound... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtside Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 Ideally Skip, your 2guard can do everything the wing player can do. Doesn't always happen that way. Stereotypically, the two guard is a lights out jump shooter, and the wing a slasher,....the point penetrates and distributes...but it doesn't always wwork out that way based on what you have.... If SLU wants to be successful Polk will have to have improved strength and ability to get into the lane and create opportunities for others...if he improves his outside shooting, it is an added bonus...his strength is quickness...his job is to start the offense nowhere near half court and create problems with dribble penetration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 I think penetration is the key word in this thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 1, 2005 Author Share Posted November 1, 2005 but from what position Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted November 1, 2005 Share Posted November 1, 2005 There is a big difference between a two and a three. A legitimate two has to be able to shoot the ball from beyond the arc, but can survive without being able to slash to the hole. A three has to be able to rebound and create offense by taking the ball to the basket. Based on what I have seen in practice, Lisch is a classic two and Liddell is a classic three. Brown also fits the mold of a classic three. I fail to see how Dwayne Polk is anything but a true point guard. His best attributes are his ability to handle the ball, penetrate, and distribute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 PLEASE NO "BACK DOOR" CUTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtside Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 ...or man "on" man defense, or hand checks.... Refreshing to know I can always come to billikens.com for my high brow deep intellectual discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 The more I think about our lineup, the more I think we should start the following players: PG: Liddell - Best creator, athlete, shooter, etc. SG: Lisch - Best shooter and good all-around player SF: Brown - Good shooter, very good athlete, good slasher and rebounder PF: JJ - Good athlete; our best shot at having a true power forward C: Ian - Obvious This means that Polk, Drejaj, and Newborne would come off the bench. What a great trio of energy to bring off the bench--each one brings great hustle and enthusiasm that is ideal for a jolt off the bench. Husak would obviously spell the center position as necessary. With this starting lineup, would we encounter many lineups that have a better combination of size and athleticism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauman Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 Based on what I've seen, I like your lineup and agree with what DP, AD and VN would give you off the bench. BUT, I think BS will start AD (loyalty) & DP (politics), yet give them less than 20 minutes/game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseugnekillib Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 No one on this board, or in this town, wants to win more than Soderberg. No one! He will play the players he believes will give him the best chance of winning. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tseugnekillib Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I can agree with your line-up.....but we all know the starting five may only be on the floor, as a unit, for 5-7 minutes before the first substitution is made. It will be interesting to see what 5 guys get the most minutes during the non-conference portion of SLU's schedule......and then what 5 guys get the most minutes during A-10 play. I'm guessing it's not the same 5 guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 i totally agree with tseugnekillib. and i am starting to think that the lineup might be different every game except ian. there is such close competition that time will be earned accordingly game by game, practice by practice. i love this set of guards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 I love the lineup Nark mentions. Of course I want the line up that wins the most games, but I think that line up will give us our best chance. I am puzzled about the amount of people that think AD should start and get a great number of minutes. I'm not sure what people have seen that I haven't. No, I haven't been to practice yet this year, but not sure it would make a difference. It only matters in games. AD has not shown the past 3 seasons that he has the consistency to play a bulk of the minutes every game. He may look good in practice this year, but that does not tell anything. Some may say that some have not played a minute of D1 ball yet so why would I advocate them play over AD. Well, since I haven't seen it from AD in three years, I would rather gamble with young potential. I guess you have to weigh the intangibles such as leadership and experience which he does have. His defense is good, but his shot is horrible, so do those cancel each other out. Many have advocated he play PG. That baffles me. It's not like his ball handling is spectacular. I remember several road games last year where the opposing team's play by play guys have more than once mentioned that AD's ball handling was average at best. I think it will be interesting and I can't wait to see what plays out, but going into a lot of unknowns, I would love to see the line up Nark mentions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 2, 2005 Author Share Posted November 2, 2005 If you read my post above you will see that I also like that lineup. I hate advocating taking DP out of the starting lineup but I just love the size that lineup brings. I don't know the A10 rosters ... but I can't imagine that we wouldn't create alot of matchup problems. Also those 3 should have the athleticism to play lock down D. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted November 2, 2005 Share Posted November 2, 2005 imo, the three best players in yesterday's scrimmage were lisch, ian and drejaj. coincidentally they were all on the same team and won the scrimmage as well. drejaj is earning his shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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