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22 minutes ago, 757billiken said:
I am trying to compare next year's roster to two year's ago when things were some what fun. It really hinges on big men, but I actually think we upgrade in a few spots. What do you guys think?
Gibson -> Gibson
Yuri -> Hughes Jr. (Upgrade in my opinion)
Thatch -> CJ/Hargrove (push)
Nesbitt -> Parker/Thames (upgrade in my opinion)
Jones -> Cian (Tbd)
Okoro -> ?
Linssen -> ?
Yuri to Hughes Jr is an upgrade? Hard disagree.
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It is officially “constantly refreshing Billikens.com hoping @TheOne has recruiting news” season.
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5 hours ago, DOC said:
Ha. I like May less than I like the haters who can’t stop repeating themselves. We weren’t going to make a run, but to say we couldn’t win a game in this tournament is just plain stupid.
It’s not plain stupid, it’s being realistic. Hypothetically, let’s say we won the conference tourney; we’d most likely be a 13 seed imo. So which four seed would we beat? UConn, Virginia, Tennessee, or Indiana? I know Virginia lost in the first round but I’d say odds are still slim to none against any of those teams.
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58 minutes ago, DOC said:
We beat 3 teams in the tournament big mouth.
We were 3-7 against tournament teams with an average point differential of -7.5.
The highest tournament seed we played was an 8. One of the 8 seeds we played destroyed us by 30 on a neutral floor. We also lost to a 12 seed three times.
2 of the 3 wins were at home. If we played all 10 of those games on a neutral floor, how many do we win? One for sure, maybe one more past that?
If we can only confidently say that we’d beat 1 or 2 tournament teams on our schedule on a neutral court, how in the world could we even have hope for one win, much less a run, in the tournament? Is this Chris May’s burner account?
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9 hours ago, mrjoelabs said:
The saddest thing as a SLU fan is that we could've made a run in this wide open tourney. Out of everyone left I think we would compete with all but Uconn and texas. Uconn is going to walk to another win. They always get lucky when brackets break down. Can't stand them. Hopefully texas or miami can beat them. If they go to the title game they will beat FAU Creighton or SD State easily
Saying stuff like this just exposes that you don’t even watch the games.
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4 minutes ago, DOC said:
French was nowhere ready? Ya right.
French was a freshman in 2017… 6 years ago.
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6 minutes ago, dennis_w said:
i am quite sure the admins are aware the p6 is better, but the reality is we are a mm team, until we can move on enjoy the ride
The issue is that we’ll never be able to move on if we accept mediocrity.
Side note: thank you for having a reasonable discussion despite being on different sides of this.
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9 minutes ago, dennis_w said:
If the P6 is making it more difficult for MMs to make the tourney, then our response should be to try to join the P6 rather than lower our expectations. The Big East is going to expand soon and while we have the facilities and investment to fit in, a string of disappointing seasons and little tangible basketball success means we’re likely to be on the outside looking in once again.
Do you think the Big East sees a “second-place regular season tie” in the weakest A10 in years and thinks we’d be a good addition?
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19 minutes ago, wgstl said:
Im 10000% locked in on the Gilbert train.
Per 40 stats are Ace baldwin level with offense and defense
16.6 ppg, 2.4 steals(!), 4.6 assists, 5.6 reb, 38% from 3, and 46% FG. His TO are too high, really his only problem.
I love the efficiency. I like our chances with the minutes we have to sell but I shouldn’t get too attached to guys in the portal
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38 minutes ago, dennis_w said:
to determine the winner of the conference, there is a regular season champion and a conference tournament champion, the tournament seeding is determined from the regular season standings and sometimes tie breakers are necessary, vcu got to hang two banners a-10 champion and a-10 tournament champion
All a regular season championship does is guarantee you an NIT bid. It’s not that meaningful in the grand scheme of things if your goal is the NCAA tourney.
And a general question to anyone, if two teams tie for first, do they share the regular season title? Or does it go based on tiebreakers?
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3 minutes ago, Hook97 said:
All I want to say is, I paid $200 for two season tickets, got to go to a beautiful arena 18 times and watch my favorite team play a lot of mostly good and some bad basketball and go 15-3 at home. I have a suspicion that some of your posters do not even go to basketball games.
I also paid $200 for season tickets, missed two games all year (one due to illness, the other due to family commitments). I will be renewing my season tickets for the foreseeable future (and likely upgrade at some point) so long as I live in St. Louis. The vast majority of posters that are local to St Louis are also season ticket holders.
If you were happy with the product you saw, more power to you. Personally, I don’t think blowing an 18 point lead to SIUE inside our beautiful arena is acceptable, but that’s just me.
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1 hour ago, dennis_w said:
We were seede 4th for they tournament, in conference play we tied for second. Wikipedia lists a second place finish, so someone somewhere agrees
So what is the point of conference play if not to determine your playoff seeding?
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46 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said:
The behavior of some so called Billiken Fans is disgraceful. You really think mocking and ridiculing our coach is helpful? You embarrass yourself and the university.
I don’t understand why you take any slight criticism of Ford so personally. Nobody has mocked him in this thread. He makes $2.5 million a year, funded by alumni. He’ll be okay.
P.S., look at any fanbase of a program aspiring to be competitive. when a coach has failed to meet expectations, these kinds of discussions happen.
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9 minutes ago, stmdragons said:
I have a hard time believing it’s true given May’s recent comments. As much as I’ve soured on Ford over the course of the season, that would be borderline sociopathic.
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4 minutes ago, dennis_w said:
you could be correct, i spotted correctable flaws in jg shot in about of minute of watching him, i am sure the coaches saw it too, did the coaches not tell him of did he not listen? i dont know. but the narrative seems to be that ford cant or wont coach on every topic and he knows nothing about coaching, that is a rather stupid position, he has flaws but he is not without assets
I’ve been critical of Ford but I think his player development should be praised. As I mentioned above, JGood improved his shooting every season. We’ve seen guys like Jimerson round out their games and Okoro significantly improved from the FT line when he got here. I think the only guy that really stands out as never developing is French and that was probably all psychological
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39 minutes ago, thunderdan said:
After seeing what Fernandes did to us, back in January, I’d be reaching out to him.
Yes I’d love Fernandes. I’m high on Medley but still want someone proven
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2 hours ago, billiken_roy said:
Or maybe somebody actually coached and developed his shot. Off season player development.....what a novel concept
Goodwin’s 3pt% went up every year he was at SLU
36 minutes ago, dennis_w said:i coached a lot of kids, some of them dont listen
As hard as he worked, I don’t think this applies to Jordan. It’s not like we’re talking about Carte’Are.
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11 minutes ago, GoSluBills said:
This a great post and summarizes the Ford era really well. But I think there are a couple items to point out:
1) I think some are greatly exaggerating how close we were to an at-large in 19-20. Yes we were playing extremely well at the time but we did not have much of a resume that year - neither Bonnies nor VCU were going to be NCAA teams that year. We lost to our only 2 quality opponents in non-con in Auburn and Seton Hall and went 0-2 against Dayton including a game at home we coughed up in the final 8 minutes. IF we beat Dayton on that Saturday, maybe we have a shot but that's a big if and the point remains again Ford was unable (again) to have an at-large resume together going into the final week of the season. I sincerely doubt 1 more win that week gets us much consideration by the committee.
2) In 2020-21, yes the two losses coming out of the COVID pause were a killer, but after that we had 3 games that could've still gotten us in the NCAA's (At VCU, At Dayton, and in the A10 tourney against Bonnies) and we lost all 3 of them. You HAVE to find a way to win one of those games. That was the most talented team in my time as a fan (been going to games since the early 2000's). But again lost those three games and the trend of Ford unable to win that "get us over the hump" game continues.
I'm confident Ford will put together a roster that will compete towards the top of the A10 again. But he's got to find a way to get his teams to execute in big games. I'm really hoping he can do that.
1) In 19-20, I remember the consensus being that we would have to beat Dayton in the A-10 tourney for an at-large.
2) One thing about 20-21 is that we got screwed by TV Ted in the last road game against VCU. Of course we shouldn’t have had to rely on that game to get in but it is an added wrinkle.
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8 hours ago, Bilzz said:
Go back through his Twitter posts throughout the season and see how many times #Unknown shows up. It could be attributed to the new NIL atmosphere, but he wasn't worried about any of the crap in 2021-22 when he had his best season. Also, I don't really agree with your assertion that he was a "competitor and wants to win," at least no more than a typical basketball player. He was the de facto captain of an underacheiving that had a two-year habit of falling apart in the second half of games. He's not the gamer that someone like Goodwin was.
Unknown has been Yuri’s thing long before he even got to SLU. His Instagram name has been unknownyc for as long as I can remember. Him using it as a hashtag on Twitter isn’t “NIL crap” and definitely doesn’t imply that he’s worried about his clothing line instead of winning games.
Also, let’s not forget that while Jordan Goodwin was a more vocal leader and showed more emotion on the court, he was also a part of some underachieving teams himself.
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30 minutes ago, dennis_w said:
it is hard for vcu also, they have a good team, facts are it is hard for non power five accept that of not, if that is your only goal, be in for a disappointment. the odds are long even if you throw in those teams you mentioned. will all of the naysayers have the stamina to non stop complain for next eight months? will the tragedy of have ford as coach leave them broken and sad? time will tell
Personally, I don’t expect the tourney every year. No denying it’s hard to make it. But it’s possible for a mid major to make it consistently (every other year or so) and eventually improve their standing in the college pecking order. SLU’s investments over the last 15 or so years have made it clear that they are trying to do just that. But the results don’t match the investment right now, which is the problem.
I’ve accepted that ford will be the coach next year and probably longer after that. I’m hopeful that a fresh roster can improve the ceiling for the program. But there is no denying that Ford has objectively failed to meet expectations when we’ve been picked to finish top 3 in the conference on four separate occasions and never finished better than 4th, have never gotten an at-large bid, and finished off of the NIT bubble in a year where we got pre-season top 25 votes.
Just because some people have lower expectations of the program doesn’t mean that’s the consensus. The AD, media, and other A10 coaches have all shown that they expect SLU to compete for at-larges. And it’s perfectly reasonable for fans to be disgruntled with the fact that we haven’t done so under Ford.
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13 minutes ago, BIG BILL FAN said:
well what's not skewed, that you obviously don't want to talk about, is there is only 3 at large bids from non P6 schools....spin anyway you want, the odds are poor...
There are also non-P6 schools that are at-large quality but happened to win their conference tourney. FAU, San Diego State, Memphis, and Gonzaga all would’ve been at-larges based on their seeding. Obviously not an exact science but theoretically, if there were bid-stealers in all of their conferences, they would all still make the tourney (FAU being the worst seed, 9)
Nevertheless, if it’s so hard for a mid-major to make the tourney, how has VCU made it to 9 out of the last 11 tourneys in the same conference as us with similar facilities and funding?
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3 hours ago, slufan13 said:
But I was told on this board that A10 teams don't consistently make the tournament more than 2 or 3 times every 10 years
Well that might be true once VCU leaves for the Big East.
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41 minutes ago, stmdragons said:
We are all Utah State Aggies for the next few days.
Personally, I am a Louisiana Ragin’ Cajun
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Yuri is one of six players in NCAA history to average double digit assists in a season. He led the country in assists two years in a row. And I don’t just have an infatuation with assists numbers, Yuri simply put up historic stats. He is a once in a lifetime type of player.
I too have watched 95% or more of Yuri’s games since he’s been at SLU. And over that time, it’s easy to take everything he did on the court for granted because we’ve been seeing it for four years. It’s also very easy to find the negatives in his game because he was the undisputed leader of a very disappointing team and basically given the keys to the offense (which isn’t his fault, Ford shouldn’t have done that). Let’s not forget that Yuri was pretty much universally loved up until the end of his junior year, before he was in the spotlight with high expectations. Better yet, remember how much fans loved him after his freshman year?
Hughes Jr averaged 8.7 minutes a game. I too love his game but when he gets 20 minutes a game, much less 38 and a high usage rate like Yuri, you will see a lot more mistakes.
It truly blows my mind that anyone can look at Yuri’s all-time great body of work at SLU and say a walk-on that averaged 8 minutes a game is an upgrade. Take the recency bias out of it and really think about it. There’s just no way that should be your conclusion.