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On 10/21/2023 at 9:33 AM, TheA_Bomb said:
It's silly. If a school doesn't want to do it then don't. They just don't want to be the 1 school that doesn't so they want to ban it. Why does the NCAA need to be involved at all?
Because they're trying to protect these recruits from silly sh*t like this that schools do. You show up for a tour and to talk to the coaching staff and you end up having to do a two hour fashion show wearing a uniform that you may decide pretty early on in the visit that you have no intention of ever wearing. However, the kids and their parents feel obligated to do all this BS just to keep the school happy in case they need to use it as a backup plan.
Most rules the NCAA makes are based upon what the member institutions want. If the majority want to get rid of something stupid like this, what's the problem? Sometimes it seems like certain folks are against anything that has the word "rule" associated with it.
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Also, the west coast no longer has a Power 5 conference that kids can go to and know that most of their games will be played in their own time zone. This may make kids from that side of the country more likely than in the past to consider a school in the Midwest.
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18 hours ago, billikenfan05 said:
I and others have been accused of being negative or haters. I believe the negative or pessimistic outlook has presented a very clear reasoning for this outlook as of 10/18/2023. Meanwhile the positive or optimistic sector of the fanbase have only really chastised the negative sector without presenting a reasoning. The “optimistic” sector has only served as backlash to the haters.
So here it is a thread to present why you are optimistic, content, satisfied with the last decade of Billiken basketball and believe the future will be better than the last 19 years. Feel free to present a case for Ford, May or anyone you want.
In the spirit of respect, I can only speak for myself but, I urge everyone on this board with the opposite outlook of the program to wait until Friday at 6pm the end of the open practice to offer rebuttals to the points made in this thread.
I think the issue more complicated than your presenting it. You seem to be setting up being able to say "See, the optimistic guys can't really state a competent argument" by starting this thread and at the same time create a forum for the so called negative guys to bash the opinions of whatever gets said. This is evidenced by the fact that in your sort of peace offering of bestowing a thread upon the optimistic crowd, you describe those with optimism as "content, satisfied with the last decade of Billiken basketball." A Billiken fan can be optimistic and not, yet, wanting changes in leadership. Someone can be optimistic, but still not be satisfied by what this program has accomplished in the past ten years. The two sides you are presenting are not mutually exclusive. Also, based on my experience with this board, it is beyond the capabilities of the "negative guys" to not attack whatever is said in this space. That being said, I'll take the bait and give you something.
I am optimistic about the things that are within our program's control. I agree with SLUSignGuy that our basketball facilities are as good as it gets and comparable with most, if not better than some, Big East programs. They are certainly better than most A-10 schools, West Coast Conference Schools, and Missouri Valley Schools.
I am optimistic about having Chris Harriman on board and getting international recruits. There are schools that have had a lot of success going this route.
I am optimistic that a coach who typically get us 20-23 wins per season (which, to be clear, is not sufficient for our goals) can make tweaks which lead to bigger and better things (see the Chris Harriman statement above). I, at the moment, would rather have the possibility of that coach making improvements that make us incrementally better than the unknown of whoever would have to be next, because I don't believe we will get some amazing Power 5 coach that much of this board thinks we would if we had to conduct a search.
I am optimistic about a new group of guys coming together this season and being, possibly, better than a group of guys we had last season despite the new guys having far less expectations. Sometimes, more talented groups underperform and have injuries, and less talented groups get better results just from capturing the right chemistry.
There are other things that I am not very optimistic about, but I won't go into any of them, because this was, allegedly, set up as the Trust Tree for optimism. So, I won't go there. Any bets on whether others will?
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55 minutes ago, brianstl said:
Being a mid major isn't the reason SLU can't compete in NIL. Programs can't put any money they earn into NIL. NIL is the one place that SLU should be on equal footing with many high major programs if people in and around the program put a real effort into it. The problem is that SLU doesn't want to compete when it comes to NIL. The BVF's philosophy statement makes that clear, Shempie's post on this board makes that clear and Troy's comments yesterday makes that clear. SLU is unwilling to even try to compete at this point. SLU has what would be the fifth largest alumni base in the Big East. Bigger than Marquette's. It doesn't have to compete with a NBA team for attention for it's basketball players. There is no excuse for SLU not to be able to not only compete with Marquette when it comes to NIL dollars to high school recruits, but they should exceed them. They should be absolutely obliterating offers Butler makes to players. So I'm not hear for the crying for mid majors stuff.
The problem is not us being a mid major. The problem is competing with schools with way more alumni than us. I just looked at a website that says that SLU has about 137,000 alumni. Big state schools have way more alumni than us. After that, it's just a numbers game. If the BFV has the same amount of success that in getting the same percentage of SLU alumni to donate as one of these schools, then those other schools still will have three, or four, or five times as much to spend on building their teams than we would. In the past, we have had some success by convincing some local kids to stay home rather than go to the big guys. Now, we have no chance if we are offering a kid $30,000 and another school is offering $100,000. Over time, SLU and schools similar to SLU will fade into insignificance and it will not be because of our coach, our AD, or the guys volunteering their time to run the BFV. It will be 100% because the system that was already stacked against us suddenly became even way more stacked against us.
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21 minutes ago, billiken_roy said:
it doesnt hurt that his shooting percentage is indeed up across the board. but imo the biggest difference is he is showing he is a capable point guard. imo he always had that but ford wasnt interested in that because he already had the best point guard in america............or so he told us.
Most guys start shooting a bit better when then get into NBA style training and an NBA camp. Other than that, which happens a lot, he is the same guy we saw.
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On 10/14/2023 at 9:26 AM, thetorch said:
So the BVF gets a pass because they are volunteers. MMP, who are also volunteers, need to step up and do more and be less critical.
Fans like you are the reason we have 1 NCAA berth in going on 10 years.
So, I guess you wrote a big check to the BVF? How much did you give?
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I love that doing nothing different than what we saw at SLU for 4 years is why he's getting a shot and getting praise right now. So many times, you hear about guys not making it in the NBA, because they don't have some necessary aspect of the game in their repertoire. He is just being himself and playing his game and that is what is impressing people. We will always be the ones who got to see that first.
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Now that the Champions Center is finished, I would bet that baseball/softball upgrades are next on the priority list.
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20 hours ago, cheeseman said:
Do you really think anybody really cares about what casual viewers want - they only care about what they want. They know people will have to watch what they come up with.
I disagree. The NCAA tournament would get so-so ratings with a field of only big state schools. It is the Cinderella stories that bring in the casual viewers. Eliminate the surprise upsets and the shocking Sweet 16 teams, and you lose the casual viewers. I guarantee, if that happens, all of the sudden we will hear about below average ratings, and CBS and the NCAA will not be able to comprehend why.
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10 hours ago, thetorch said:
Show me evidence that dropping down will cause us not to go up again? Examples?!?! until then its just an opinion, and a wrong one.
A10 tv has very few advantages over the MVC. Pay is roughly the same. What has all this "national" exposure done for SLU?
Major Markets is myth #3. If we play a basketball game in a city with 9 million people but attended by 1500 people is that really a major market game? St. Louis is THE major market in the A10. Besides Dayton SLU has the highest attendance, best tv ratings, and most media coverage of any team in our league, year in year out.
What is the difference between playing Fordham or Bradley? Fordham has better restaurants, and its fun to take the team to a broadway show. Other than that Bradley has a better facility and more fans at the game than Fordham will ever have. They usually play better basketball too. I guess you can't put a price on it being a slow news day in New York and the chance the Billikens could get a blurb on page 56 of the Post the next morning.
What good does it do SLU to play teams that while in major markets, have the stature of Fontbonne in those markets (and worse facilities)? None. Quit bringing it up. Fordham, Duquesne, St. Joes, LaSalle, GW etc having any type of presence in their respective huge markets is as mythical as the unicorn.
There are no examples, because no one is stupid enough to make that move. You ask us to show evidence that dropping down will not allow you to go up again. I ask you to give one example of a program that dropped down. Give as many as you can, and then we will evaluate what kind of success came out of that strategy.
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11 hours ago, thetorch said:
Jimerson has been a great role player. He's racked up points, but he's been a top 3 or 4 player on the team his career, not 1 or 2. This is his chance to be a difference maker, but we'll also see that a team led by Jimerson isn't a .500 squad.
Isabel was a good one year investment. Without him Ford would already been fired. That said Isabel came dangerously close to getting kicked off the team that year on more than one occasion and wrecked the chemistry on Ford's best team at SLU. While he won us the A10 tourney, his antics put us in a position where we had to win it to make the NCAAs. Talentwise that team was an at large team, a top 7 seed. Isabel's fights, hazing, skipping practices, leaving the team on road trips, and robbing teammates led to a 6th place finish in conference instead of a 1st place.
That has been Ford's MO, take on risky recruits and hope #teamblue rehabilitates them. It hasn't worked at all, but he gets the credit of bringing in highly rated recruits. They just never end up playing here.
Jimerson is not a role player. He has led the Billikens in scoring the past two seasons (16.3 per game and 14.0 per game). That is not a role player.
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1 hour ago, brianstl said:
The high school recruiting had been subpar since the 2019 class. Not one starter on last season from a high school recruit since that class.
It was the reason that being an at large bid quality tournament team last season was so needed. They needed it to jump start their recruiting. Selling the future and program building has a shelf life. You have to produce results at some point.
Sadly, I think this is looking at the recruiting process through the lens of the former way things were done. If we had made it to the Sweet 16 last year, kids who we want on our team this year are still going to ask "How much NIL money to I get?"
Let's suppose there is a kid that we are recruiting who was also being recruited by Ole Miss. Let's suppose we made it to the Sweet 16 last year, and that Ole Miss went 12-21 last year (their actual record). We offer the kid $20,000 in NIL money and Ole Miss offers him $60,000. Do you really think that kid is going to go to SLU because we had a good year last year over getting 3 times as much money in his pocket? There in lies the problem.
As unfortunate as it is, even having good seasons now may not beat NIL money, which, if I had to make a prediction, we will always be short of compared to large state schools.
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35 minutes ago, RUBillsFan said:
Welp...we're all a bit down on the program, but if Brian Conklin is hyped about the season starting then I'm hyped too. LETS F*CKING GO!!!
Before any season, I'm excited about the Billikens until they give me reason not to be. When they give me reason to no longer be excited that this is going to be a great year, I still go to the games and support my team. Let's Go Bills.
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On 9/15/2023 at 3:10 PM, TheA_Bomb said:
Thanks for the response. In my previous message I agree that a student athlete should be a full time student in good standing. So I think you misunderstand my position. In good standing means that you are eligible academically at the school you attend based on whatever educational certification board they utilize.
As to your other point regarding receiving something therefore something is expected. Yes many athletes receive special benefits because of their talent. So they are expected to perform the sporting event if able. It is a meritocracy for the public to view. If you don't practice and perform you lose your place on the team you can lose your scholarship. I agree with this position. Much like your reference to a job there are expectations
I also understand that no one is forced to be an athlete. However why does choosing to be an athlete in college subject someone to undue external control? That I don't agree with. We the sports consumers are the reason why this is so out of control relative to what it used to be or what you think it should be.
It is none of anyone's business why someone may decide to transfer schools and why should that decision preclude them from participating in sports that the school and fans of that school want to see? It's arbitrary and unduly limiting that other students do not experience. Therefore, it's wrong within our American standards of individual freedom.
If you're a student in good standing, enrolled in the school, the school wants you to play. You should be able to play.
I suspect those opposed do not like the turmoil, the speed of change lately and think that it impacts their chosen school negatively. Furthermore, I suspect that many value loyalty. I understand that we want to believe that player is loyal to a school we love. Some are and those that transfer aren't. To force them to stay my arbitrary rules is selfish and controlling. I value a person being able to determine how they want to live their life aka Freedom over my selfish enjoyment of a sports team that may lose a good player.
A-Bomb, I'm going to give you credit here. I am appreciating this debate, because you are taking the right path with your argument. If this were a true debate, and I was assigned your side of the argument instead of mine, I would be making arguments very similar to the ones that you are making.
That all being said, I think it just boils down to the simple fact that someone, anyone, who accepts the benefits that college athletes accept when they get a scholarship can be made to accept those benefits under a set of rules. If you know that you are accepting benefits to be a college athlete who is playing under the rules laid out by the NCAA, then you are agreeing to abide by those rules, even if you disagree with them. So, on the legal side, if the question is whether or not the NCAA can make and enforce those rules, the answer is that they can.
An entirely different question is whether or not free transfer should be the rule. I think transfers should be restricted. You think they should not. That is opinion. That is a different question than whether the NCAA can make the rule.
My argument for why transfers should be restricted ties into what Wendelprof is saying. College football and college basketball benefits universities financially. The NCAA and its member universities are not for profit entities funneling their money to shareholders/owners. They are non-profit entities earning money to benefit education. I know that there is this sentiment that the NCAA is the huge, evil, greedy organization. However, the truth is that the money the NCAA earns pays its bills and the rest is distributed to member institutions (https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2021/5/4/finances.aspx). The money made by the revenue sports not only benefits the students who play those sports, but it also helps fund the non-revenue sports, and helps the universities fund educational ventures.
Kids staying around at universities they agree to play for and accept benefits from helps keep interest in college sports up. Allowing kids to transfer freely hurts people's interest in college sports. At least that is my opinion, but I think that opinion is shared by many. If free transfer is causing interest in college sports to drop, hurting viewership, hurting butts in seats, then I think it should not be allowed. I'm not asking for a drastic change, just a return to the rule that has always been there so that we aren't taking money away from the institutions. You know that if profits fall off, they fall off will be taken away from the education side and the non-profits sports, not from the football and basketball budgets.
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13 hours ago, TheA_Bomb said:
Conference teams are competing against each other for standing within the Conference and a mid-season change within the conference could severely effect the outcome of that specific season. Therefore, I understand controls to stop immediate eligibility for mid-season transfer. It is a reasonable limitation on a student athlete to protect the integrity of the game.
However, I think that limitations on transfers and immediate eligibility out of season are unreasonable. It is none of our business why a student wants to transfer. So now some panel of strangers picked by a faceless organization in Indianapolis gets to review the merits of someone's psychological reasons to transfer? A young man or woman in order to play a sport is forced to display their most private life issues for debate by panel of strangers and internet fodder?! That could have a detrimental impact on their mental health, and or future chosen career. It is a definite violation of privacy.
To take part in school activities of which athletics are, you should be a full time student in good standing. Outside of that there should be very minimal rules.
Those advocating limited transfers and loss of playing time are advocating protectionism because they want to keep a student athlete at their school. I advocate freedom and a right to privacy. I will usually side with the individual vs a conglomerate of beareaucrats making money off the efforts of said individuals.
I asked a legitimate question only 3Star gave an answer. Make the argument why should a student be limited on transfers and immediate eligibility? I've explained what I feel is a reasonable limitation and what isn't and my reasons for my position.
Let me take a shot. Because colleges are supposed to be about educating people and not about billion dollar sports leagues. Collegiate basketball players who switch schools multiple times are not doing so because they have an issue with the quality of the education they are receiving for free. They are doing so, because of purely basketball related reasons.
When players sign with a school as freshmen, they are getting a lot out of signing that piece of paper. They get free tuition often valued at $30,000 to $80,000 a year. They get free housing. They get all of their food for free. They get access to multimillion dollar facilities to play a game that has nothing to do with the education they are receiving. They get free transportation to and from games. They get hotel rooms for road games. They get free tutoring for their classes that most students don't have access to. They get fame and notoriety that allows them to, now, profit from given the new NIL rules.
For all of this, it is not unreasonable to ask those players to live by a certain set of rules. Show up to practice. Go to class. You say you "advocate freedom." How about the freedom to get all this stuff and not have to show up for practice. Why doesn't your philosophy include that? How about not show up for classes? Why doesn't your advocating of freedom include proposing that they be free from having to go to class or maybe not have to show up at the games.
When someone receives something, like a salary for instance, there are requirements that come with it. You have to show up for work. You have to do a good job. You do not have the "freedom" to punch your boss in the nose. There are rules you have to live by.
The idea that college athletes who choose to go down a road that they don't have to, no one is forcing them, should not have any restrictions on how they collect the benefits they receive is asinine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with placing restrictions on what an athlete is allowed and not allowed to do when he agrees to attend a university and play for that university's team and receive all of the benefits that come with it.
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11 minutes ago, JMM28 said:
I like the idea in an "out of the box" way. I don't think this part would necessarily be true. You still need conference officials on the ground at some level as well as enough folks to handle a lot of schools and their needs.
I would also kick some of the no-loads out and add in some of the midwestern private schools Belmont, Drake, Bradley, etc. to create a better nationwide swath.
Also, for those that have always wanted to dump the dead weight of the A-10, this would be an opportunity to do that. As we know, it is nearly impossible to drop a team from an athletic conference. However, if the upper portion of the A-10 accepted offers to joint the WCC, they could leave the dead weight behind.
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9 minutes ago, JMM28 said:
I like the idea in an "out of the box" way. I don't think this part would necessarily be true. You still need conference officials on the ground at some level as well as enough folks to handle a lot of schools and their needs.
I would also kick some of the no-loads out and add in some of the midwestern private schools Belmont, Drake, Bradley, etc. to create a better nationwide swath.
I wasn't suggesting not having a conference office or commissioner. I was just saying that the two conference offices (A-10 and WCC) would not be so excited about working on this idea if it meant one of the two offices gets laid off. The schools would have to do the deal on their own.
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4 hours ago, brianstl said:
The MVC shares tournament revenue equally. In the A10 the tourney team keeps 75% and the conference only gets 25% and that 25% is spread among more programs. So payouts in MVC will be higher for that reason alone.
Unless we are the team making the tournament, which is the goal. Then we would be giving away money by switching.
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17 hours ago, thetorch said:
"Institutional Fit" or "Like Minded" is the biggest myth that has been peddled to and by SLU fans in regard to the A10.
This is basketball. No one cares if a school is Jesuit or not, or has certain majors, or higher acceptance rates like SLU's.
None of that matters at all. When it is brought up as a positive for the A10 I will shut it down every time.
We have a 10,500-seat arena, a 2.5 mil per year coach, opening the 20 mil champions center, the largest asst budgets, charter flights, and the list goes on.
What programs are doing this in the A10 beside us? Dayton, maybe VCU. What programs are even close to us in this respect? Anyone? Bueller? The Champions Center, basically a huge athlete lounge costs more than 3/4 of the conference's arenas.
Look how much the conference applauded Fordham for finishing in the top half of the league last year. They play in a 100 year old arena with 1500 seats in the basketball capital of the world and they can't sell out. 1500 seats in NYC?!?!?! Fordham is excited about this? There are HS teams in the MCC with better facilities and bigger budgets than Fordham.
Did you see the pictures of Davidson's locker rooms? Simply atrocious. I could build a better locker room on a weekend with a $1000 budget and a crew I found standing outside the home depot. A college with less than 2,000 undergrads playing in a 40 year old arena that is half full most games is not a like minded institution.
The list goes on LaSalle, St Joes, Mason, St Bona, Loyola, Duquesne, GW, these are all schools just happy to be in the A10. They have neither the want or need to be any better than they are, low rent borderline mid major programs. What do we share in common with them?
Then we have the public dregs, UMass and Rhode Island, flush with cash but certainly don't spend it on hoops. UMass has a terrible football program to support, RI is happy to be second fiddle to Providence. Nothing in common with SLU. Terrible programs, terrible facilities that SLU dwarfs in every imaginable concern.
Even in our worst attendance year, we averaged a hair under 7k last year. SLU still DOUBLED the attendance of NINE teams in the A10. We TRIPLED the attendance of 4 teams. How is that an indication of "Like Minded" schools.
Every fan on this board has at one point questioned the commitment of SLU's administration to athletics. Imagine being a LaSalle fan, a Fordham fan, a GW fan, and on and on? These programs aren't just worse than ours they are exponentially worse than ours.
SLU places a high value on athletics, maybe not high enough but we are head and shoulders above everyone in this conference save for Dayton and VCU. I may not know what conference SLU should be in, but I know it isn't the A10. We've been in this dump second class conference for going on 19 years and it has gotten us nowhere. The days of making excuses, "this is the best place for us" "Institutional fit" "We make $20 more dollars from ESPN+" trying to convince ourselves that we are in good shape should be over.
Even if everything you said is true, that does't mean the the correct reaction to all that is to move to a lesser conference.
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22 hours ago, Bay Area Billiken said:
A comparison of the number of NCAA Men's Basketball Tournament bids since SLU joined the Atlantic 10 for the '06-'07 season:
A10 51, average of 3.0 NCAA bids per season; MVC 26, average of 1.5 NCAA bids per season; Horizon 19, average of 1.056 NCAA bids per season.
If the comparison is begun at the '13-'14 season, the season after Temple, Xavier and Butler (one and done) left the A10 and Creighton left the MVC, the number of NCAA Tourney bids is as follows: A10 25, an average of 2.8 per season; MVC 12 bids, an average of 1.3 per season; Horizon, 9 bids, an average of 1 bid per season.
All of the above and the following does not include the '20 season when the NCAA Tourney was not played. The MVC has been Juan Bid 6 of the last 7 seasons, the Horizon Juan Bid for the last 13 consecutive seasons. The A10 was Juan Bid in '23 for the first time since '05, before SLU joined the A10. Let's hope '23 was an outlier for the A10, and not the start of a trend. Juan Bid could be an unwelcome guest due to the NCAA Power 5 +1 skewed NET and the Power 5 +1 not playing non-Power 5's on the road.
In terms of television rights, the A10 has deals with CBS for its A10 Tourney Championship Game on Selection Sunday, CBS Sports Network, NBC- now on USA Network after the NBC Sports Network folded, and the ESPN Networks for the A10 Friday Night games, which put the A10 in a national spotlight, in an only game in town scenario. This is not a close call- A10 TV access is significantly better than the MVC and eons better than the Horizon. A lot of MVC games are confined to ESPN+ streaming. Whether the A10 can maintain this excellent linear TV exposure remains to be seen.
The institutional fit is no contest. I realize the detractors don't like to be told that, but that one is also not close.
The only thing the MVC and to a lesser extent Horizon have over the A10 for SLU is geography.
As noted by another poster, if the MVC is so great, why did Loyola Chicago leave the MVC for the A10? That is a rhetorical question and yields an obvious answer.
My fellow Billikens, this one is not a close call. While the ultimate home for SLU should be in the Big East, the A10 is significantly better than the MVC and Horizon.
Great breakdown. Sad that your argument had to be made. Thanks for putting in the time.
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If we lose VCU and UMass, I think one possible move is to try to merge the A-10 and the West Coast Conference into a mega private school conference. I would think this conference would have good bargaining power for TV rights considering its cities would include, New York, D.C. (2 teams), Philadelphia (2 teams), Pittsburgh, St. Louis, Chicago, Bay Area (2 teams), San Diego, Los Angeles (2 teams), and Portland. Non-revenue sports could be kept on one side of the country or the other outside of championship games. Just create Eastern Division and a Western Division.
This would have to be done amongst the schools and Athletic Departments as one of the conference offices would go away. Can't imagine they would be invested in a situation where they have a 50/50 shot of being let go.
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17 minutes ago, Cowboy II said:
-isn't the MVC final also on CBS? it's just the weekend before SS
Maybe, but its at a time when its not on anyone radar. At least the A-10 still gets this prime spot on Selection Sunday (for now).
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On 9/9/2023 at 6:04 PM, thetorch said:
What gets us in the Big East?
Winning 4 straight Valley or Horizon titles?
Finishing on average 4th in the A10 over the same timespan?
I'm taking the titles every time. The BE is too. Nothing else changes. They can't take our facilities, budget or market away from us.
The A10 has done nothing for us, equally we've done nothing for them. Time to cut our losses. We have a limited time frame. We need to be in a major conference NOW if we want to stay relevant. Staying in this A10 purgatory will lead us down the road to playing in the same conference as UMSL.
Yes, they can take your budget away from you. What is the amount Mo Valley teams get paid for their TV package? What is the amount that the A-10 get paid for its TV package (this is the one that always has the A-10 tournament championship game on national television on Selection Sunday). Moving to the Mo Valley would cause a major hit to the Athletic Department budget.
Your assumption is that we would put the same product on the court in the Mo Valley or the Horizon. We would not. We would have less money to spend on the program and lesser recruits playing in the games. The answer is not to drop down a level and hope that winning at a lower level impresses the Big East. The answer is to win at our current level. How about winning the A-10 four consecutive years. That should be our goal.
Also, why do you think Loyola Chicago left the Mo Valley for the A-10? As 05 likes to say "I'll hang up and listen."
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On 9/8/2023 at 9:19 PM, thetorch said:
I may have given up on the A10.
Why can't the Big East be reached from the MVC vs A10. Do you have reasons? Creighton did it.
Do you think if Butler hadn't played in the A10 for a couple seasons that the BE wouldn't have tapped them from the Horizon? If so why?
We joined the A10 because it was the best conference we could be in and it recieved multiple bids giving us a better chance of getting in the NCAA tournament. It has now failed on one of those fronts. No better time to reevaluate.
Best reason I can give is that recruits still look at a schedule that includes Dayton, St. Joe's, UMass, Davidison, etc. as more appealing than playing Illinois State, SIU-Carbondale, Mo State, Indiana State, etc. Dropping to the Mo Valley or Horizon would make it even more impossible to recruit talent.
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Three dots positioned outside the penalty area. Teams get to choose straight on, right or left. Each team runs a set piece from their chosen spot. Once the ball is put into play from the chosen dot, the outcomes are either a goal, out of bounds, goalie has possession, or ball is cleared back out past the line that marks the penalty area. The last three result in the end of the possession. A goal results in a point. Keep running set pieces until one team scores and the other doesn't.