C7 Presidents meeting in New York today

[RiseAndGrind]

It is arguable that Xavier has had a better recent (decade) history than any of the original C7. Why would they ever agree to take less than half of what Providence, SH, and St. Johns are making????

This inequality in payments could be a big deal breaker. SLU doesn't really have a leg to stand on, but it is pretty much guaranteeing that SLU will always be second-rate if/when it joins this new conference.

Found this over on Xavierhoops.com. It just proves that this inequality in payments is bull****:

You are correct about the NCAA credits. I did some research for the last decade and here's what I found.

1. NCAA tourney units earned in the past decade:

   
   

   Butler - 21 units

   
   

   Creighton - 5 units

   
   

   Dayton - 4 units

   
   

   Depaul -2 units

   
   

   Georgetown - 14 units

   
   

   Gonzaga - 19 units

   
   

   Marquette -18 units

   
   

   Providence -1 unit

   
   

   Seton Hall -3 units

   
   

   St. Johns -1 unit

   
   

   St. Louis -2 units

   
   

   VCU -11 units

   
   

   Villanova - 19 units

   
   

   Xavier -23 units

   
   
   

   C7 NCAA units - 58

   
   

   Other 7 NCAA units - 85
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[kappy96]

The A-10 leadership is very quiet. Not sure what legal options they have but standing by and waiting to get plucked over doesn't seem to be a solid strategy. Hope they are working on a proactive Plan B because it sure deals like SLU is screwed.

Where in the world are people getting that we are screwed? You'll have to color me doubtful when the sources that say its a 10 team league are Taj and Billikenfriar.

I'm drawing my own conclusions based on the multiple articles I've read. To me it appears that the 7 schools are concerned about $$ first and foremost. They want to strike while the iron is hot and cable networks are interested and competing for the rights. While an argument could me made that adding the St. Louis TV market is beneficial (I support that argument) I believe that after being pushed around for years the 7 schools want to keep it small and tight to maximize the money they can get from a broadcast partner. Going to 12 teams doesn't appear to lend itself to a bigger financial windfall for those 7 schools based on the most recent report.

I also just don't see Dayton getting left in the dust in favor of us. Just my gut.

I sooooo hope I am wrong.

[waldo027]

The A-10 leadership is very quiet. Not sure what legal options they have but standing by and waiting to get plucked over doesn't seem to be a solid strategy. Hope they are working on a proactive Plan B because it sure deals like SLU is screwed.

Where in the world are people getting that we are screwed? You'll have to color me doubtful when the sources that say its a 10 team league are Taj and Billikenfriar.

Standard Billikens.com to freak out and step onto the ledge at the first sign of any trouble. We should definitely be invited, and even if we somehow aren't, it's not "devastating" and doesn't mean "we'll be mediocre forever." An A-10 with VCU, SLU, St Joes, Richmond, La Salle, ect is still a multi-bid league. I also expect the A-10 to fill its ranks with schools like Murray St, Bucknell, Belmont, Iona, and others.

[SLUDrew]

The A-10 leadership is very quiet. Not sure what legal options they have but standing by and waiting to get plucked over doesn't seem to be a solid strategy. Hope they are working on a proactive Plan B because it sure deals like SLU is screwed.

Where in the world are people getting that we are screwed? You'll have to color me doubtful when the sources that say its a 10 team league are Taj and Billikenfriar.

Standard Billikens.com to freak out and step onto the ledge at the first sign of any trouble. We should definitely be invited, and even if we somehow aren't, it's not "devastating" and doesn't mean "we'll be mediocre forever." An A-10 with VCU, SLU, St Joes, Richmond, La Salle, ect is still a multi-bid league. I also expect the A-10 to fill its ranks with schools like Murray St, Bucknell, Belmont, Iona, and others.

Wow, this is a view through Billiken colored glasses if there ever was one. If we stayed in the A-10 our closest league mate would be in Pittsburgh. The level of recruiting would sink for all of the above mentioned schools due to the low visibility of the league. We would attract a much higher "cailber" coach ourselves if we were in the Big East.

It is HUGELY important that we get in the new league on almost every level.

With all due respect, we did not build Chaifetz Arena to be in a league with Iona and Belmont

[bk18]

Could Chaifetz get the money together to get rid of He who shall not be named?

May or Biondi?

[JettFlight5]

Could Chaifetz get the money together to get rid of He who shall not be named?

May or Biondi?

I like May. So the other.

[JettFlight5]

The A-10 leadership is very quiet. Not sure what legal options they have but standing by and waiting to get plucked over doesn't seem to be a solid strategy. Hope they are working on a proactive Plan B because it sure deals like SLU is screwed.

Where in the world are people getting that we are screwed? You'll have to color me doubtful when the sources that say its a 10 team league are Taj and Billikenfriar.

Standard Billikens.com to freak out and step onto the ledge at the first sign of any trouble. We should definitely be invited, and even if we somehow aren't, it's not "devastating" and doesn't mean "we'll be mediocre forever." An A-10 with VCU, SLU, St Joes, Richmond, La Salle, ect is still a multi-bid league. I also expect the A-10 to fill its ranks with schools like Murray St, Bucknell, Belmont, Iona, and others.

The A-10 as you have gets 2 bids. This is a key time for the school.

[bk18]

I like May. So the other.

Biondi straight up said he wants in, no diplomatic BS like May was giving in interviews.

I don't know how much more you could ask from him.

Biondi's contributions:

- new on campus arena

- high profile coach

- public statement expressing interest in joining

I don't know where he falls short with anything (relevant to joining) in his reach in recent years.

[JettFlight5]

Biondi straight up said he wants in, no diplomatic BS like May was giving in interviews.

I don't know how much more you could ask from him.

Biondi's contributions:

- new on campus arena

- high profile coach

- public statement expressing interest in joining

I don't know where he falls short with anything in his reach in recent years.

I'm saying that on the assumption that SLU does not get into whatever we're calling that league.

[bk18]

School.... Market.... Enrollment... Endowment

Richmond....1.3............ 4250....... $1,880,000,000

Georgetown.. 5.7............17130...... $1,160,000,000

Saint Louis.. 2.8............13785.......$880,300,000

Dayton....... 0.8............10068.......$598,400,000

DePaul.........9.5............24966.......$414,000,000

Marquette.....1.6.............12002......$401,200,000

Creighton......0.9............. 7730.......$375,200,000

Villanova.......6.0 ............10482.......$370,000,000

VCU.............1.3.............31899.....$349,700,000

St John's......19.0 ...........21354.....$267,000,000

Seton Hall.....19.0 ............9245.....$231,000,000

Wichita State. 0.6 ...........14806........$170,100,000

Providence....1.6...............4587.........$164,000,000

Butler ..........1.8............... 4677........ $155,000,000

Gonzaga.......0.5................7764........ $121,000,000

Xavier..........2.1 .................6945........ $117,400,000

Geo Mason ....5.7..................33320.........$51,600,000

from: http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=611163&page=2

[bk18]

The above shows market size, enrollment, and endowment. There are another of other factors left out obviously including NCAA bids, etc.

I just don't know where we fall short compared to the teams that are rumored to be ahead of us.

I can guess attendance and recent NCAA bids. But I think we have a pretty good resume otherwise including market size, University profile (endowment, selectivity, and enrollment), new Arena, athletic facilities.

[slu72]

If the 10 team model is what's really coming, I still see SLU having advantages over DU or Creighton at this point. Sure, both UD and Creighton draw better than we do, but wouldn't the broadcasters be more interested in market size? And the UD market overlaps the X market. They're going to need ad money to feed the Beast that half a bil.

Still, I don't see the sense of a 10 team league at all other than it benefits the original 7, but I should never discount the greed effect. From what I read it seems the 7 aren't going to make their decision on league size and makeup until the end of the season, There would be no better time for the Billikens to make a run into the sweet 16 than this year.

As for X and Butler turning down the lesser money than the original 7, they won't since the lesser amount is almost 6 times what they get from the A-10's deal.

[slu72]

Jeez, I didn't check this out but Richmond must have one of the highest per student endowment ratios in the country. They've got almost 2 bil in endowment money? That's a freakin' amazing stat for a small private school in VA. Must be all that tobacco money filling their coffers.

[Bizziken]

If the 10 team model is what's really coming, I still see SLU having advantages over DU or Creighton at this point. Sure, both UD and Creighton draw better than we do, but wouldn't the broadcasters be more interested in market size? And the UD market overlaps the X market. They're going to need ad money to feed the Beast that half a bil.

In terms of UD's market, I think Columbus and Cincinnati, both less than an hour away from Dayton, also have to be included since there is a large following of Flyer supporters in those cities as well...

[kshoe]

The A-10 leadership is very quiet. Not sure what legal options they have but standing by and waiting to get plucked over doesn't seem to be a solid strategy. Hope they are working on a proactive Plan B because it sure deals like SLU is screwed.

Where in the world are people getting that we are screwed? You'll have to color me doubtful when the sources that say its a 10 team league are Taj and Billikenfriar.

I'm drawing my own conclusions based on the multiple articles I've read. To me it appears that the 7 schools are concerned about $$ first and foremost. They want to strike while the iron is hot and cable networks are interested and competing for the rights. While an argument could me made that adding the St. Louis TV market is beneficial (I support that argument) I believe that after being pushed around for years the 7 schools want to keep it small and tight to maximize the money they can get from a broadcast partner. Going to 12 teams doesn't appear to lend itself to a bigger financial windfall for those 7 schools based on the most recent report.

I also just don't see Dayton getting left in the dust in favor of us. Just my gut.

I sooooo hope I am wrong.

You can't have it both ways where you say its all about maximizing revenues, in particular t.v. revenue, but then Dayton gets in ahead of SLU. Those two don't go together.

[BLIKNS]

What if Notre Dame says they want to be included,but remain indy for football? Sure they would have a HUGE exit fee from the ACC though.

[kshoe]

If the 10 team model is what's really coming, I still see SLU having advantages over DU or Creighton at this point. Sure, both UD and Creighton draw better than we do, but wouldn't the broadcasters be more interested in market size? And the UD market overlaps the X market. They're going to need ad money to feed the Beast that half a bil.

In terms of UD's market, I think Columbus and Cincinnati, both less than an hour away from Dayton, also have to be included since there is a large following of Flyer supporters in those cities as well...

Those markets are already covered with Xavier.

The not so secret to all of this realignment from the SEC on down is that its all about t.v. markets and having cable sports networks that are popular enough to be required parts of each cable package. It doesn't matter if the ratings for the station is huge, it just matters that there are enough fanatics that will call in to their various cable providers and demand the station as part of their package. The station can then charge more for the right to carry it and ALL cable subscribers bare the cost.

[kshoe]

What if Notre Dame says they want to be included,but remain indy for football? Sure they would have a HUGE exit fee from the ACC though.

Not going to happen. They already have a similar deal with the ACC and the ACC offers far better basketball and a full compliment of Olympic sports. Most of the BE7, like SLU, only offers the bare minimum in Olympic sports to remain D1.

[AlumniFan]

What happened to the stuff about Xavier not wanting Dayton in the new conference? I thought that was odd when I heard it, but regardless, why are we not hearing that anymore.

[kappy96]

The A-10 leadership is very quiet. Not sure what legal options they have but standing by and waiting to get plucked over doesn't seem to be a solid strategy. Hope they are working on a proactive Plan B because it sure deals like SLU is screwed.

Where in the world are people getting that we are screwed? You'll have to color me doubtful when the sources that say its a 10 team league are Taj and Billikenfriar.

I'm drawing my own conclusions based on the multiple articles I've read. To me it appears that the 7 schools are concerned about $$ first and foremost. They want to strike while the iron is hot and cable networks are interested and competing for the rights. While an argument could me made that adding the St. Louis TV market is beneficial (I support that argument) I believe that after being pushed around for years the 7 schools want to keep it small and tight to maximize the money they can get from a broadcast partner. Going to 12 teams doesn't appear to lend itself to a bigger financial windfall for those 7 schools based on the most recent report.I also just don't see Dayton getting left in the dust in favor of us. Just my gut.I sooooo hope I am wrong.

You can't have it both ways where you say its all about maximizing revenues, in particular t.v. revenue, but then Dayton gets in ahead of SLU. Those two don't go together.

As I said, Dayton is my gut. The prior sentiment is based on what I've read.

[davidnark]

Did I miss something? I haven't read anything credible indicating we are out. The ESPN article certainly didn't indicate we were in or out.

[kshoe]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="davidnark" data-cid="334912" data-time="1357507320"><p>

Did I miss something? I haven't read anything credible indicating we are out. The ESPN article certainly didn't indicate we were in or out.</p></blockquote>

I asked the same thing only to get more doom and gloom opinions on this board. The unjustified negativity on here is something to behold.

[kappy96]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="kshoe" data-cid="334914" data-time="1357509503"><p>

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="davidnark" data-cid="334912" data-time="1357507320"><p><br />

Did I miss something? I haven't read anything credible indicating we are out. The ESPN article certainly didn't indicate we were in or out.</p></blockquote><br />

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I asked the same thing only to get more doom and gloom opinions on this board. The unjustified negativity on here is something to behold.</p></blockquote>

Guys, I respect the two of your opinions more than most anyone on the board...not trying to pile on.

I've simply added to the convertsation by stating the conclusion I've drawn based on all the information i've digested. I also just have a bad gut feel. As I said I hope I an wrong.

[LouisvilleBilliken]

Rovell only talked about the money situation. Rovell has very little to no credibility with me after he got tricked into "reporting" about a decline of an escort service during the NBA lockup and it turns out it was a lie from a bored 18-year-old.

Everyone is freaking out, but honestly nothing has been really reported or know. Biondi will do everything in his power to get us in the conference. Think about it. How could he stop the current controversy at SLU now, by getting us into the new catholic conference and then all of his current problems will go away for most people.

[brianstl]

I want no part of a conference where we will be a second class citizen when it comes to revenue sharing. Long term that would be worse than being stuck in the A10 or heading to the Valley.

My guess is that it is a negotiation ploy by the 7 to see what they can get out of SLU, Creighton, or Dayton. I am starting to think they plan on going to 12, but are floating the 10 rumor out there to bleed what they can out of the three. They have to go to 12 and eventually have to go out to the west coast. They will have to start a cable network to compete with the BCS conferences. They can't do that as a little east coast conference.