moytoy12 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I believe they will sign some player(s) in the spring. I doubt how much those players will contribute based on the quality of PF signees UB has brought in to SLU. I doubt they will challenge for a starting spot. First, Brad has a loyalty to players in the system. Second, we haven't seen Brad bring in a big man to compete right-away outside of TF maybe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I gotta admit, I'm a little nervous right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Nate didn't say that they won't sign a single player in the Spring, he said "Looking at the recent success of getting recruits in the spring, I doubt they'll be able to bring in anyone to contribute solid minutes." Based upon prior track records, I have no reason to believe otherwise. Since his first year at SLU, has Brad signed a single impact player in the Spring? I know that he has scholarships to offer every spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 does that mean >if sampson hadnt shown up last minute last year that stemler >wouldnt have started this year? > Stemler would be starting, however it would be at Marquette thanks to BS's waffling on him early and letting the big boys get involved with him. What from the past give reason to believe that anyone brought in during the spring will be able to contribute next year, if at all? Most JUCO's take a year to adjust to the D-1 game (Frericks was an exception but he had played at the D-1 level already) and all other spring signees have been major projects. Even Ian took 2 years before coming into his own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Latsch Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I have no doubts that the Billikens will sign a couple kids in the spring. I have doubts about whether or not those players will be able to contribute. When you're recruiting players late like SLU has had to do the last few years, more often than not you're going to end up with players like Horace Dixon and Obi Ikeakor — players who may have talent, but also have enough baggage that has left them unsigned at that point. For every Anthony Drejaj, how many Dixons and Ikeakors are there? The recruiting over the last few years has been terrible. It makes no sense to say otherwise, because if the recruiting wasn't terrible you wouldn't have a Division 3 caliber walk-on playing meaningful minutes in a must-win conference game. I said a few months ago I thought Soderberg did a good job of evaluating talent with this class, because the kids he went after (and missed on) were able to really improve their stock in the summer and ended up signing with good programs. From talking to JUCO coaches, the chances of getting a sought-after kid in the spring are very slim. At that point, bigger and better programs are trying to fill holes from early entry draft guys and transfers and pay a lot more attention to the JUCO guys. It's not like recruiting JUCOs is an easy thing anyway, with trying to get them in school in the first place. I want to see Brad Soderberg succeed at SLU. I do. I like Brad and I like the assistant coaches. I'd like to see all of the best local talent go to local schools and help those schools get to the NCAA tournament every year. I had high hopes for this SLU team. But when I look at the recruiting situation — the misses, the kids that weren't offered and the fact that the Billikens have lost two young players (Dixon and Ikeakor) but have yet to sign anyone for next year — I know that this program is headed in the wrong direction. - Nate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Has Stemler's JUCO teammate who went to Marquette been getting much playing time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 >Has Stemler's JUCO teammate who went to Marquette been >getting much playing time? Nope. He had to work all summer to get enough credits to be eligible, keeping him off the court (typical situation when JUCO's transfer to private schools) and he just isn't ready for D-1. I never understood that signing and still don't. Crean's last 2 JUCO signings have been busts (Blackledge and Lott) and the previous one, Jackson, took a year to pay off (some due to injury, some due to the adjustment period). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDELL Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I talked to Tommie after the game he upset and very tired,he said the last 5 minutes of the the game he started cramping in his legs and he couldnt jump.I think that packed defense is hurting us, if Xavier would have been hitting their shots we would have lost that game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDELL Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 They are supposed to get this kid from Chicago 6'10" and can really play,I cant think of his name,I'll find out from Tommie and let you guys know.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaginCajun Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I had a chance to meet one of Tommie's cousins at the game the other week, Money, and he seemed like a really good guy. He said Tommie had heard from some NBA scouts, but that he thought it was something that he probably wouldn't realistically explore till next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDELL Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Im his Dad,It looks bad for the future at St. Louis but he's going to hang in there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Don't tease us! Official Billikens.com sponsor of H Waldman Official Sponser of the Stemmler and Ahearn could and would have helped club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 First of all let me say to all concerned that I consider billiken roy to be a very good friend and one of the best people I have ever had the privilege of getting to know. I never knew him in undergrad but through Steve and Nark's invention and continuance of this board, enjoy our times together on line, at the tournaments and elsewhere. I have taken advantage of roy's business expertise and asked advice to which he has never failed me. Having said that, I am extremely mad at thim for not sharing whatever he is smoking at this particular time!!!! I don't have the answers as to how to right this ship ... I've been searching for those for three decades now .... but for him to blindly state that some prospects are in the bank and things are going to get better come spring when there is no track to suggest such miracles quite frankly amazes me. Even if we do sign folks, isn't it a fact as made above that Brad shows loyalty to those in the system (current walk-on not included) and plays them accordingly? If that is the case, and we do sign someone like Leon Powell or the Three Rivers kid (again doubtful based on track record) what makes you think they will see the light of day off the bench (again track record). Fro the record, even with Temple in a down year, winning at their place was a preseason loss in my book. Of course, 4 and 1 wouldn't be as bad as 2 and 3 but this whole walk-on issue complicates things. I owuld ahve been more happy to have Adma and Dustin thrown to wolves to cut their teeth. These are are scholarship kids that we will need to rely on later on the line. Is that rolled gold or a water pipe you're using, roy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaginCajun Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I did not realize you were his father. I am decent friends with the senior manager on the team, Mike, and he said that Tommie is an absolutely great kid. You should be very proud of what your son has accomplished as an athlete and as a person. Take back what I said about him transferring out, I said that without knowing that you were so close to him. Tell him to keep his head up and keep up the good work, it won't be long before the rest of the country takes notice of your son. If he keeps this pace up, will you sit down with him and discuss the possibility of him entering the draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaginCajun Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 My father is a dean in the business school at the University of Missouri. I was suggesting he jump ship and Mizzou would be a system that he could really flourish in and get the exposure he deserves. SLU is a joke and they are completely wasting an extremely talented player. As far as the racist thing, that does not warrant a response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 No problem. Why in the hell would anybody want to go to backwards a$$ Columbia and play in front of an empty house. They had 7,300 for their game against K-State. The PD did an article about how terrible their attendance has been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I don't care if your dad is coaching Mizzou. Why would you tell a current SLU player to transfer if you are a SLU fan? You are just loud wrong...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 I predict Cajun will disappear and a "new poster" with similiar views will emerge..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaginCajun Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Rich, I don't care what you think. I have been to far too many games since Soderberg has become the head coach to put up with this crap any longer. Call me what you want, but one thing is for sure, I am not the only SLU alumni fed up with this BS. I really do like Mizzou at this point, they have a coach who just puts out an unbelievable amount of passion and he has a team of guys who were labeled as underachievers completely selling out for him night in and night out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 It's probably best you don't respond. Your defense of metz's post was shameful. Mizzou players are getting a lot of exposure to empty seats these days. We had 3,500 more fans at our game on Saturday than they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaginCajun Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Rich, I can take the heat from you clowns. I am the one who has been right from day one. You can say what you want, I have the inside knowledge of the program and it pisses you off to no avail. I will not leave this board or change my name, I have shown to be one of the most credible posters on here. I even proved to be right when opposing OJ who you all said was never wrong. I will sit here and bash this program and continue to leak inside information until something is done about the state of this program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 This has gotten a little out of hand. Ace and Rich need to relax a little. In all honesty, a player of Tommie's caliber WOULD get recognized a heck of a lot more at Mizzu then at SLU, that's just a fact. That being said, I could really care less about Mizzu. And I don't want Tommie to leave. He's so damn good. He's a great addition to SLU. But saying he would get more exposure at mizzu is pretty true. like it or not. big 12 vs. a 10. at least tommie has various espn games to show case his talents. oh wait... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaginCajun Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 If the attendance and fan support is so great for SLU, they should be able to use that to get some recruits who are deserving of a scholarship to a Division I program. The fact that you are calling me a racist is absolutely absurd. You don't even know me, yet you are calling me a racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheRaginCajun Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Canadian, you don't need to stand up for me. Let these guys bash me all they want. The proof is in the pudding. We have a roster full of projects and gambles and it is an ambrassment. It just kills them that the Bills are no good and I can sit back and say I told you so. We are nothing outside of Tommie Liddell, Kevin Lisch, and Luke Meyer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 18, 2007 Share Posted January 18, 2007 Thanks for setting us straight Canadian. We know you always have the best interests of the SLU program at heart?!?! I think Tommie could do a hell of a lot better than Mizzou. Get recognized by who? Pro scouts? I think they'll be able to find him in the A10. If they were watching Ian last year, they sure as hell are watching Tommie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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