cgeldmacher
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6 hours ago, Pistol said:
Oh, I agree. I just mean that for now, K-State is head-to-head with us on a higher number of recruits than any other program. Mizzou and Illinois will pass K-State soon, I'm sure, although it'll be hard to measure because some offers and interest will be stale and it'll be hard to tell which without diving into their individual recruiting details, which I'm not going to do.
Yeah. I was sad to see that K-State is continuing to succeed. Weber gets too many of our local kids. It's a shame he's so likeable, otherwise, I'd hate him more. Even if he got fired at K-State, I'd be worried he'd land at SIU-C or MoState and continue torment us on the recruiting trail.
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I agree that sports teams don't draw new residents. I don't want this particular sports team to come to town to draw new residents. I want this sports team to come for the residents that are already here. So much of the dissent for these Propositions is about the sting we all still have from the Rams leaving. However, not doing a good deal simply because you got burned by a previous bad deal is not smart. Any good businessman evaluates deals individually and doesn't allow past business dealings to affect his current business relationships.
This is a good deal. The stadium will pay for itself if the team is a success. The team will be a success. It will be around for years. I guarantee there is no idiotic escape clause in the lease like Kroenke had. Let's not let this good deal go, because we recently got burned by Kroenke. If we do, then we will have let him hurt St. Louis twice.
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23 minutes ago, cheeseman said:
Most of the studies I have seen that say stadiums do not generate new revenue for the city work on the principle that the money that would be spent on the games would be money spent anyway in the city on other entertainment so no net gain. I have never thought that makes sense. I think those people who bought season tix for the Rams are not saying well I have $2k more now so lets go to the movies more often or lets buy more clothes, or lets order more pizzas. I know if I did not spend the money for Billiken tix and Billiken Club membership it is not money I would automatically just go out and blow on something else. Not everybody lives by the "I have money burning a hole in my pocket" approach. All that being said I get some people's thoughts - I may not agree but I do understand. I also agree that cities do get some intangibles from professional teams just like they get from museums and zoos and gardens.
Agree again. If I didn't buy my Billiken tickets, I would probably take that money and put it into taking a trip somewhere. Then the money would end up somewhere in the Carribean. It is not guaranteed that the money would stay local.
Also, those studies don't look at the tax money from the players', coaches', and other staff's salaries.
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20 hours ago, AnkielBreakers said:
This is a stupid debate. St. Louis is a soccer city. Professional soccer would do well here. It would bring in revenue for the city. Who cares if millionaires would benefit, when we would all benefit. Soccer is likely to grow tremendously over the next two decades. This is the right time to jump on board.
I doubt this will pass though. I have seen and heard too many idiotic arguments both on this board and elsewhere to believe it will happen. Also, the structure of the bill is so convoluted, it must have been brought in from Illinois.
Oh well, just another missed opportunity.
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I hope you're wrong, but I fear you may be right. The worst argument that I have heard from seemingly intelligent folks is that this is only being done to benefit millionaires. That's crazy. This is being done to benefit the City. The opponents need to get over what happened with Kroenke and realize that this is a different situation. Another absurd argument out there is that the City and State are in a financial mess because of giving money to these stadiums. The City and State are in a financial mess because of their complete inability to bring new business and keep existing business. Part of the problem is the attitude that exists that you can't possibly give a business any incentive to come here or to stay here. That's working out pretty well, isn't it? Businesses seem to not be able to leave St. Louis fast enough and everyone blames that on the Dome!!! INSANE. St. Louis will not turn the corner until this attitude reverses and was see that businesses leave where they are and head to wherever they get the best deal. So, let's stand on our principles people until this is a ghost town. I hope we all keep in touch from whatever other City we find jobs in.
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An MLS team will be successful in St. Louis. I will buy season tickets to the MLS team when it arrives. The MLS is on the rise and the NFL appears to be in decline. Look at the NFL's ratings dive last year. If this stadium deal gets done, I think we might look back and say that we were lucky to get out of the NFL and into MLS at just the right time.
The owners are putting up a $150 million expansion fee and have agreed to pay the $150 to $200 million remaining on the stadium costs after the City's $60 million. I truly think they need this money to make this happen. If we take a chance on the idea that the owners will pony up the money, we will be without a team. The MLS will give the expansion franchise(s) to other cities.
The use tax will take the funds for this tax increase right out of the ticket sales on the stadium. I truly believe that the team will be a success. So, I also truly believe that the use tax will fund the City's $60 million completely on its own. Therefore, the City won't lose any funds that should be going elsewhere. The City of St. Louis and surrounding region has lost way to many businesses or potential businesses to the old curmudgeon attitude that you shouldn't provide any tax incentive for businesses to come to or stay in St. Louis. Remember the Chinese import air hub that we were going to get until politicians shot down those tax breaks. I think Chicago got that after our politicians "turned it down." Let's not lose another opportunity.
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2 hours ago, JohnnyJumpUp said:
Tilmon's game reminds me a lot of Billy Coby's.
Are you saying he rufies his opponents?
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If Gillman is not graduating, then I apologize for starting the past two pages. However, I will say that players graduating in three years at SLU seems to be much more common that at other universities. Plus, Gillman is a smart kid.
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9 hours ago, Glorydays2013 said:
2017 MR. BASKETBALL OF ILLINOIS
139 ballots cast. Five points for first, three for second, one for first.
- 251: Mark Smith, Edwardsville sr. (41 first-13 second-7 third) named on 61 ballots
- 175: Nojel Eastern, Evanston sr. (22-19-8) 49
- 136: Jordan Goodwin, Belleville Althoff sr. (11-24-9) 44
- 105: Jeremiah Tilmon, East St. Louis sr. (13-9-13) 35
- 85: Taylor Bruninga, Glasford Illini Bluffs sr. (10-9-8) 27
- 51: Alonzo Verge, Thornton sr. (6-6-3) 15
- 46: Nana Akenten, Bolingbrook sr. (4-7-5) 16
- 46: Javon Pickett, Belleville East sr. (2-7-15) 24
- 45: Cameron Krutwig, Jacobs sr. (4-4-13) 21
- 31: Lucas Williamson, Young sr. (2-5-6) 13
- 30: Justin Smith, Stevenson sr. (1-6-7) 14
- 29: Evan Gilyard, Simeon sr. (2-4-7) 13
- 25: Ayo Dosunmu, Morgan Park jr. (4-1-2) 7
I hope Underwood keeps his promise to concentrate recruiting efforts on the Chicago area. That would be fine by me. We'll just have to settle for the scraps left in southern Illinois.
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Since Gillman is a senior graduate transfer situation, I wonder if he is looking for somewhere to land before committing to transferring. I don't know if the situation exists where Ford can allow him to search for a new school while still under scholarship. If this is possible, I would keep an eye on another transfer possibly developing.
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BTW, does anyone else find the Underwood hiring odd? Maybe it was discussed on a different thread, but the criticism of Ford at OK St. was not winning in the tournament. Underwood goes to OK St. for one season, loses in the first round of the tournament, and Illinois wants him to, and successfully gets him to, switch over. He is 2-2 in NCAA first round games and has an over all tournament record of 2-4.
He's only been a Div.1 head coach for 4 seasons, three of which were in the Southland Conference. Seems a far cry from hiring Brad Stevens away from the Celtics like some of their alumni thought could happen. What is Illinois seeing in this guy?
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I hope Jamal cashed in on his situation. I'm thinking big bump in pay, plus a guarantee for a few years.
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So, Tatum went to Duke to make a run at a championship in his one year of college. In the end, he only has one NCAA tournament will more than the Billikens this year.
I'm not saying that he made the wrong call. He seems like a nice kid. I also don't have any particular hatred of Duke. Just interesting that after all that was made of his going to Duke, they only got one tournament win over a 15 seed.
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I'm worried right now that Tate will leave to join Martin at Mizzou. If that happens, then bye-bye Gordon.
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22 hours ago, Old guy said:
cgelodmacher you obviously never got into the rat race of applying to med school in the US. To start with most med schools, including the lowest ranking most maligned ones in this country have in excess of 10-20 or more applicants per sport available. Some kids do not get accepted the first try. Many go to, let's call them less than great medical centers, places like Grenada, Dominican Republic and the like to get their diplomas. Then they have to go through hoops to pass the ECFMG before they are allowed to take their boards anywhere. Getting into a reasonable internship/residency program is a problem for these kids and they may wind up practicing in out of the way places, places where generally no one else wants go go practice at.
Then there is a second group of kids that apply to dental, osteopathy (which are perfectly comparable to med schools by the way) or even to homeopathy schools. Some of the ones that cannot or do not want to get into these types of schools go into graduate studies any number of subjects. They get Masters or even PhD's and then retake the exams and try again. Finally a few go into Veterinary medicine, some go into Podiatry and some get into Pharmacy school, always thinking of heading back to med school some day. Graduate programs in the health sciences are chock full of these failed MD applicants trying to get back in course until they settle in Academia somewhere.
I disagree with you, the SLU School of Medicine will continue going at full quota, the quality of the students will not be the same as at Harvard or Wash U but these kids will uniformly be bright and happy to have made it into med school in the US, believe me there. Besides probation is not the same as losing accreditation.
I agree with you about the class still filling up and SLU still turning people away. That's going to happen regardless. What I'm worried about is that they will be filling up on lesser applicants, because the stronger applicants will want to go to a school that is not on probation. I don't think there is any doubt that it will play a role in the thought process of potential applicants.
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I P5 that is a dumpster fire like Mizzou that sees that Ford just appears to have turned around a dumpster fire like SLU quickly and that knows he would bring Gordon and Thatch with him might just be intrigued. Like SLU72 said, doubtful, but still possible.
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14 minutes ago, RiseAndGrind said:
Is there something wrong with the SSM merger?
There's nothing wrong with the SSM merger. It is a great deal for the Med School. However, the article mentioned problems after the merger that were associated with the merger as being some of the issues for which we were put on probation. For instance, I believe it suggested that students were being supervised by SSM doctors that are not school faculty. Apparently, that is a no-no. My point was the those problems arose with Pestello in charge. The great scape goat of many on this board was gone by then.
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Slightly off topic, but why doesn't St. Louis host a non-conference tournament every year like other cities. Kansas City has one every year. I think the Sports Commission has dropped the ball on this one. St. Louis is centrally located and would be a good destination for fans of teams in the Midwest. If you got a Big 10 team, a Big 12 team, an SEC team, and maybe an A-10, AAC, or Mo Valley team every year, you could pack Scottrade and downtown for the event.
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What college student is going to want to apply to a med school that is currently on probation. This is a huge blow that will affect the quality of students the Med School gets for years.
Pestello took over in July of 2014. He's been at the helm for over two and a half years. He was in charge when the merger with SSM happened. At what point do we start holding this guy responsible for the myriad of problems that have arisen since he took over? The budget is a mess, employees are getting laid off left and right, and the Med School is the only med school in the country currently on probation. Can the alumni protest down on campus and give Pestello a vote of no-confidence just like the idiots in the faculty did to Biondi a few years ago?
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Here were the winners who predicted 12 wins:
3star_recruit
JMM28
WestCoastBilliken
Waldo027
Bonwich
hsmith19
BrianSTL
The Pelican
DesmetBilliken
SShoe
Billiken Blue
The Pelican actually suggested, after picking 12 wins, that the over/under should be 12.5. Nice call.
The worst picks were TheTorch saying 6 wins and BillikenBay saying 18+. For full disclosure, I said 14. I will also add that shortly after the season started, several people took to this thread to lament picking so high, including a few who are on the list above for nailing the 12 win total.
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13 hours ago, bauman said:
I was listening to Mike Claiborne on KMOX's Sunday Morning Sports show this morning and he was adamant about MO/ILL and SLU playing each other every year instead of some of the directional blood donors they all schedule now. That got me to thinking how to pull this off as a win/win/win for all concerned
If this is ever an idea whose time has come and which might be feasible due to new leadership and coaching at all three schools, NOW is the time!
I know it is always thrown up as a deterrent that MO and ILL don't want to give up their annual "Braggin Rights" game but how about this for a simple solution that allows all three to meet each other each year:
Year ONE:
1) MO and ILL play their annual game in STL at Scottrade;
2) SLU plays MO in Columbia;
3) SLU plays ILL at Chaifetz
Year TWO:
1) MO and ILL play their annual game in STL at Scottrade;
2) SLU plays MO at Chaifetz;
3) SLU plays ILL in Champaign
Continue Year 1 in all odd years and Year 2 in all even years.
This gives each team a new home game every other year with a Regional rival and, allows the two state schools to continue their series. I gotta believe that the home games every other year at each of the schools would fill up the arenas. Reasons why this might be able to be done now include the need for all involved to increase their attendance, the HCs are all new and not involved in any of the previous decisions to avoid scheduling each other and MO and ILL have new AD's w/o a predisposition to avoid SLU. In fact, the new ILL AD just moved from STL if I remember correctly.
I have heard the leader of our Sports Commission talk on a number of occasions about the Commission trying to assist in getting a SLU/MO annual game in STL and failing because MO felt one game in STL was enough. Now, I would think MO would do anything to increase their exposure in STL, likewise with ILL. It certainly couldn't do anything but help them in recruiting the area.
What's in it for the Sports Commission to get involved---good pub in the region and one additional high profile game in STL each year.. No downside that I can think of. Am I missing something?
If not,let's get this done!
Since schedules are no where near set for next year, this could begin in the 2017-18 season.
So, the Braggin Rights game really has nothing to do with your idea. Basically, you're saying sign a home and home series with Mizzou and sign a home and home series with Illinois. Sounds great, but if it were that easy, it would have happened long ago.
I don't disagree with your thought that MO & ILL should be wanting to increase their exposure in St. Louis. However, I think that they think they accomplish that with the Braggin Rights game.
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1 hour ago, majerus mojo said:
The amount of conjecture in this thread is astounding. Here's the obligatory 'the media are shitstirrers' comment someone mentioned that clearly does need to be reiterated
I asked for it, and I agree with it 100%. That being said, my main point is that I don't want to lose all the momentum we have here, because the University fails to live up to its promises with regard to funding athletics, particularly basketball. Even if Ford is not going anywhere this year, I don't want him having a bad taste in his mouth about the university that will cause him to have one foot out the door his entire stay here. Just give him what he was promised.
I heard that they are raising the funds for this project. Is that what Ford was told was going to happen? Does anyone know? If he was told the University was going to do this, and then later the Athletic Dept. was told sorry now you need to raise the funds, that falls into the same category of not reimbursing a coach for buying the team ice cream. It's not going to leave a good impression.
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I got blasted for suggesting that there was something to this, and now it seems like most are at least admitting that there's enough noise in the media that there must be something to the rumors. Go ahead and give your obligatory the media are liars speeches again if you want, but I'm going to face the facts. Several sources are saying that Ford is "expressing interest" in other jobs. That means one of two things. Either it's a ploy to try to get SLU to fulfill the promises it made to him (i.e. refurbishing locker rooms and creating player lounge) or he really is interested in leaving and is using Gordon and Thatch as incentive for any interested school. I don't care what tier people think he is on as a coach, those two players are game changers for a program, obviously more Gordon than Thatch, and Ford's recruiting abilities in general are enticing.
Let's suppose for a second that he doesn't intend to leave, but that it is a ploy to get SLU's attention. Does that not bother anyone on this board?! We appear to have a great situation going here with Coach Ford. If he's pissed that he was promised a locker room and lounge, you should all be pissed that he doesn't have those things already like he was promised. Why does nobody here seem to care about that? We shouldn't have to put up with getting excited about the future only to, once again, have the carpet pulled out from underneath our feet because of BS like Pestello not coming through on a promise.
Also, someone questioned my previous post about why I blame Pestello. Simple answer: He buried his head in the sand for several years while the finances went to s#*t. Now we have something like a $16 million dollar deficit. He knew when he came in that Biondi was out because he was "the bad guy" and Pestello decided he needed to be liked by everyone instead of making hard decisions about finances. Now its biting him in the ass. Also, if this is the reason Ford hasn't got his locker room and lounge, then it's also biting the athletic department in the ass. That would not be May's fault. That would be Pestello's fault if non-athletic budget problems are affecting money for athletics.
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Dave Matter was just on with Bernie. He said that Mizzou does have interest in Ford. They talked about several other candidates also. Matter said that the interest in Ford is do to the success that Ford has had in recruiting area kids while at SLU and that it should be viewed as a compliment to Ford's success in that area.
Bernie followed up by saying that he didn't think that Ford was a big enough hire for Mizzou. He actually said that Ford was a good hire for SLU, but not a big enough splash for Mizzou.
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Here is why I'm concerned about this using the arguments against it as references:
* He wouldn't move his family two years in a row - His family could stay right in the house they are in now and go to the schools they are going to right now while he coaches and commutes from Columbia. I assume, given his recruiting schedule, that they don't see him a ton as it is. A two hour drive isn't going to hold this back.
* He wouldn't leave the recruits he has coming in - The prize recruit he has a commitment from, Gordon, absolutely could go with him and Tate to Mizzou. So could Thatch.
* No one would respect a coach that leaves after one year - The guy many consider the best coach going right now, Calipari, doesn't have much respect among a lot of people. Respect, unfortunately, doesn't matter much. Recruiting and winning matters. This is why Calipari gets paid millions to do what he does. Does anyone really think that Mizzou would shy away from Ford because of this issue. If they think he's the right guy, because of his recruiting skills, they won't hesitate.
* Ford might be pissed that he didn't get things he was promised by SLU - If it is true that Ford was promised a swanky players locker room and Pestello is telling him he can't have it because Pestello crapped his pants with regard to the school's finances, then Ford might be saying to himself that he needs to get out of here before it's too late.
* Ford hasn't proved himself, yet, during his one year at SLU - Mizzou doesn't care. Look at Illinois. Groce continues to fail to prove himself every year, but the fans and administration get hypnotized by his recruiting classes. Look at us. Ford hasn't changed the results much from a record standpoint, but we are all overly impressed with his recruiting and what the future may hold. Mizzou may simply see Ford's ability to recruit this area and see that he could bring Gordon and Thatch and say "done deal."
If Ford leaves to take the Mizzou job, Pestello needs to pack his bags to head back to the East Coast.
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My god father was on the team (John Cordia). Someone needs to let all those folks out there that say we don't have the history that some other schools do that we ranked ahead of Creighton & Dayton.