Basketbill Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I think they will have to be very severe in this situation, as the NCAA will not want another baylor fiasco occuring in the future. MU may recieve a penalty severe enough to deter others in the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 What were the details of the Baylor penalties? That would be the best place to start. The problem with this situation is that some many coaches and administrators at so many levels of the university were involved. It isn't like this was the case of one bad apple. There will have to be resignations. Who will be the first to go? I guess that will be determined by which coach or administrator wears the biggest pants at Mizzou. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted December 11, 2003 Author Share Posted December 11, 2003 at baylor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StLouBlue Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I think it is too early to think penalties. These tapes don't carry much weight unless there is other evidence to back up what is being said. We probably won't know about any other evidence they have until the NCAA report is issued. A paper trail like cancelled checks, statements from people in the know that support Bunge, an assistant coach or someone in the Athletic Dept coming clean, something like one of these has to happen. I do think these tapes being released will make the Athletic Dept a tough place to work at in Columbia. It will be interesting to see if anyone resigns immediately over this, because there are some obvious differences in opinions in the dept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huzzah Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 This story is now national. Check ESPN. For a local version check the Columbia Tribune. My guess is the president of the school and the assistant AD are gone. Snyder is also gone. Mizzou will have to self impose penalties and clean house. Snyder could end up out west, in the area of Pat Kennedy, away from media attention; that is; follow the example of Bob Knight. Pauling and Johnson, most likely, will not play in the tournament their senior year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjray Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I highly doubt Missouri shall self-impose. The university president is involved and, typically, this is the guy who does the house cleaning after the athletic department gets itself mired in the mudd. The board of regents is not going to step forward and fire the president, athletic director, and coach without more than what we have so far IMHO. So everyone in a position of authority at Mizzou is denying, guarding their backside, and buttoning down the hatches. The NCAA is going to have to pull out its cannon and fire. Depending on the severity of the findings and penalties assessed by the NCAA will pretty much dictate whether a purge results. In my mind, Synder and Alden are walking dead men. The only issue is whether the president can hold on or not ... his wife might have just sunk him. Then again, there was an FBI investigation as well. An indictment of anyone at the university could also be the spark for a purge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 They discussed the Mizzou situation and had a film clip of Snyder denying that any players were paid. Andy Katz and the other dude seemed to think this will be all water under the bridge and nothing major will come of it. What' up with that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonka Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 A lot of people in the media say the same thing. Could it be that nothing comes of this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted December 11, 2003 Author Share Posted December 11, 2003 I recall hearing an interview with Dale Brown who apparently helped Harrick recruit Tony Cole, he kept saying it was not true, Harrrick denied it all, even his son denied it all........ time will tell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLU8592 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 check today's PD article: http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/stor...on+to+Columbia+ I love the comment that he is "slightly" embarrassed by the Clemons situation. What does it take to completely embarrass this guy? He's also noted as adding the role of Chancellor to his duties and thus consolidate control of the Mizzou (i.e., KC, St. Louis, Rolla) fiefdom in his office. Talk about airing dirty laundry. I just don't see how this guy, Stewart, or Snyder and one or two members of the staff remain on the State payroll. We'll definitely have to see all of the evidence, but the tapes alone paint a pretty grim picture of Floyd's ability to lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 had a discussion last night with some friends and we all agreed that what is absolutely amazing about all of this is the way they have all stuck with the story that they wanted to help ricky clemons. i mean from the first day that he was being recruited to even today, they are all so adament about their need to help this young man. i understand the humanity issues, but my gosh, how far do you carry this socialism thing? when the wives of high ranking officials decide to make ricky clemons life their life priority it is just beyond belief. i just cant "get" that part of the story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I wonder why they don't just pick some other disadvantaged youth to help. I am sure there are plenty of young men in and around the Columbia area that could use a helping hand. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjray Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 >A lot of people in the media say the same thing. Could it >be that nothing comes of this? Pretty Quin is one of their boys. They promote the guy, he is well known by most of the ESPN analysts ... they don't want to believe what they are reading but do want to believe what Quin is telling them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 The "fiefdom" is already consolidated. He's president of the MU system (which includes KC, STL, et al.) but each school has its own chancellor. What he is intending to do is become chancellor of Mizzou because his office is in columbia. What this does is create a horrible conflict of interest, and the more i read about it, the less i like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Floyd announced today that he will not seek to combine the position of Chancellor and President. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheeseman Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 MUfan - you were correct on your belief that Floyd consolidating would be a big mistake. Glad to hear he has changed his mind - or at least others have told him drop it. For those of you who say he is not going anywhere - Nixon said the same as has others who have found themselves under fire. They do this because they use it as a negotiating tool for a settlement. The problem with this is that there are too many to pay off - Floyd, Stewart, Alden, Snyder. Why is Floyd's wife employed by MU - is this not neopotism? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I believe her actual job responsibilities include "entertaining guests." I don't think it's very worthwhile a profession. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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