Billiken Rich Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings 5 and 4 votes respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_Ken R Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 http://espn.go.com/m...etball/rankings 5 and 4 votes respectively. Maybe that is a good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Maybe that is a good thing. It will probably take a home court win over Xavier to get SLU ranked in the polls. Some of the national pundits, who are ahead of the crowd, are taking notice of SLU. I find it fascinating that Notre Dame has risen from near oblivion to suddenly being ranked, this despite an RPI of 40 as of Sunday's play, whereas SLU's RPI was 23. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirahna Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 It will probably take a home court win over Xavier to get SLU ranked in the polls. Some of the national pundits, who are ahead of the crowd, are taking notice of SLU. I find it fascinating that Notre Dame has risen from near oblivion to suddenly being ranked, this despite an RPI of 40 as of Sunday's play, whereas SLU's RPI was 23. Totally agree, but ND is a much sexier name to throw out there than SLU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccarthyirish7 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Totally agree, but ND is a much sexier name to throw out there than SLU And ND also has beaten a handful of "ranked" teams, including #2 Syracuse. Those are attention getters....we lack any of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 And ND also has beaten a handful of "ranked" teams, including #2 Syracuse. Those are attention getters....we lack any of those. And ND lost by 29 points to Mizzou in KC and by 20 points to Gonzaga in Spokane. Those were also attention getters for this observer. Presumably the "We are ND" Exemption is now evident with the voters. Next, watch Texas rise from the deep abyss, along with Washington and/or Arizona from the Pathetic (Pac) 12. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 This being said, the Irish have certainly made an impressive recovery. Whether they should be ranked in the Top 25, however, with 8 losses (17-8) and an RPI of 40 is open to question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 And ND also has beaten a handful of "ranked" teams, including #2 Syracuse. Those are attention getters....we lack any of those. Finally, someone who gets it. ND has beat 'Cuse, Louisville, U Conn, WV, Marquette. Four are top 20 give or take. WV is 40th. ND SOS is 33. Big wins, especially on the road, count in a postive way much, much more than bad losses penalize a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Finally, someone who gets it. Do the routs ND suffered to Mizzou and Gonzaga no longer count under the "entire body of work"/"eye test" standard? Evidently those routs are no longer part of the entire body. They've been exorcised from the pundits' consciousness. ND's RPI is 40, yet the voters have ND ranked in the Top 25. SLU's RPI is now 22, yet SLU remains unranked by the voters. Thus, SLU's RPI is significantly better than ND's RPI, and that's following the BCS's own self-perpetuating rating system, the RPI. This one cannot merely be rationalized by the Luck of the Irish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David King Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 How much time per week do you think a coach spends thinking about how to vote in the coaches poll? 10-15 minutes? Do you think any of them use sophisticated algorithms or high speed super computers, like KenPom or the Wiz? Doubtful. It also makes sense that the voters think more in terms of what a team has done lately vs. their entire body of work. ND beat then #10 Louisville, #1 Syracuse, #19 Uconn, and #15 Marq. in the last 5 weeks or so, plus they are 9-3 in an excellent conference. Coaches evidently take notice of that, as does the general public, who aren't near as well-informed as us. Hey, there's no reason to hate on Notre Dame. At least they believe in God, unlike the pagans at Mi$$ou. I look forward to SLU and ND being in the same all-Catholic conference some day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 I don't think it's a "Notre Dame bias" but rather a "BCS bias." This is what happens to the non-power conference members. Frankly, I'm surprised Murray State didn't even drop out witrh their one loss. Harvard did yet did so by losing at a place (Princeton) they haven't won at in years. A rivalry week game. And Harvard now resides one notch above us in the AP poll. Only six teams are in the AP from non-power conferences. Less than 25%. In the coach's it five teams and 20%. Face it -- that's the piece of the pie we are playing for. We might only get ranked by winning out. Which is fine by me --- I hope these same coaches pay us no nevermind when it comes tournament time and we stun them when it counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mccarthyirish7 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 Which is fine by me --- I hope these same coaches pay us no nevermind when it comes tournament time and we stun them when it counts. Totally agree. As much as I'd like to be ranked, at this point in the season...I'd rather stay under the radar of the Top 25, win the rest of our games, make the NCAA tourney and then shock the world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted February 14, 2012 Share Posted February 14, 2012 They'll notice whether they want to or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 How much time per week do you think a coach spends thinking about how to vote in the coaches poll? 10-15 minutes? Do you think any of them use sophisticated algorithms or high speed super computers, like KenPom or the Wiz? Doubtful. It also makes sense that the voters think more in terms of what a team has done lately vs. their entire body of work. ND beat then #10 Louisville, #1 Syracuse, #19 Uconn, and #15 Marq. in the last 5 weeks or so, plus they are 9-3 in an excellent conference. Coaches evidently take notice of that, as does the general public, who aren't near as well-informed as us. Hey, there's no reason to hate on Notre Dame. At least they believe in God, unlike the pagans at Mi$$ou. I look forward to SLU and ND being in the same all-Catholic conference some day. That's a pompous and utterly ludicrous statement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted February 15, 2012 Author Share Posted February 15, 2012 That's a pompous and utterly ludicrous statement. Absolutely right. No one at Notre Dame believes in God or the Catholic Church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlumniFan Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 That's a pompous and utterly ludicrous statement. I think that statement was more meant to be amusing than offensive...at least I thought it was funny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 I think that statement was more meant to be amusing than offensive...at least I thought it was funny.I think it's been said that something isn't humorous if it doesn't offend somebody. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop Posted February 15, 2012 Share Posted February 15, 2012 #22 and #23 in the ESPN/coaches poll both lost last night. We take care of business this week we might crack it Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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