Billiken Rich Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 This post is absolutely hilarious. Where to start. First of all do you know the difference between a fact and an opinion? An opinion is something like "everything wrong with the Bills this year is Soderberg's fault". A fact is "Soderberg is not the coach of the Bills this year Rick Majerus is". See the difference?? I especially like "Fact" #3 that "most of us thought that one of the best basketball minds alive could have overcome fact number 1. We were wrong. FAULT GOES TO BRAD!! LMAO. We thought they would be better this year and we were wrong and that's Brad's fault! Here are some real facts for you that undermine your "facts": -Tommy Liddell averaged 15 pts and 7 rbs last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 11 pts and 3 rbs -Kevin Lisch averaged 15 pts and 3.5 assts last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 13 pts and 3 asts -Dwayne Polk averaged 5 pts last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 3 pts -Last year under Coach Soderberg the Bills ended with an RPI of 74. This year under Coach Majerus their RPI is 143. -In games that Ian played less than 30 minutes last year the Bills were 11-4. In games he played more than 30 minutes they were 7-8. 3Jack? Sorry you are just one jack off.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Jack Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 3Jack? Sorry you are just one jack off.... Is that a fact or an opinion? By the way Rich how many games did you predict the Bills would win this year at the beginning of the year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoophead Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I'd just as soon you not agree with me. It's like having the commie's helping you defeat Hitler........... In any case, we do agree....just this once...... I bet we agree more than you think. I love Billiken basket. I think Majerus will get things going when he gets his players in place. I hope to see bigger and better crowds at the new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 -In games that Ian played less than 30 minutes last year the Bills were 11-4. In games he played more than 30 minutes they were 7-8.I don't know where you got your numbers, but the Bills were 20-13 last year. You are missing three games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoophead Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I agree that RM is better equipped to take us to the next level, but comparing Rick's recruiting to Brads is like comparing apples to oranges. The "kids want to play up-tempo" argument doesn't work. Name one school that practices and/or plays in a dump that is good.....the only one I can think of is St. Joe's, but they are making big facility changes, too. GW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 This post is absolutely hilarious. Where to start. First of all do you know the difference between a fact and an opinion? An opinion is something like "everything wrong with the Bills this year is Soderberg's fault". A fact is "Soderberg is not the coach of the Bills this year Rick Majerus is". See the difference?? I especially like "Fact" #3 that "most of us thought that one of the best basketball minds alive could have overcome fact number 1. We were wrong. FAULT GOES TO BRAD!! LMAO. We thought they would be better this year and we were wrong and that's Brad's fault! Here are some real facts for you that undermine your "facts": -Tommy Liddell averaged 15 pts and 7 rbs last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 11 pts and 3 rbs -Kevin Lisch averaged 15 pts and 3.5 assts last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 13 pts and 3 asts -Dwayne Polk averaged 5 pts last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 3 pts -Last year under Coach Soderberg the Bills ended with an RPI of 74. This year under Coach Majerus their RPI is 143. -In games that Ian played less than 30 minutes last year the Bills were 11-4. In games he played more than 30 minutes they were 7-8. Fact, mid-way through last year's spring recruiting period, when most of the good players were already signed, Coach Soderberg had a roster that only had two bigs - AK and BH... Inexcusable. Fact, Coach Soderberg did not sign a point guard to compete for playing time with a point guard who only averaged 5 ppg. Fact, Coach Soderberg said numerous times prior to last season that he had a team that could make the NCAA Tourney. He grossly overestimated the talent on the team as they failed to even make the NIT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 Is that a fact or an opinion? By the way Rich how many games did you predict the Bills would win this year at the beginning of the year? I made no prediction at all. I was hoping for post season. In any case, my facts point to a lack of recruiting being our undoing this year. Yours seem to point to Majerus style of play. I'll grant you that Majerus isn't necessarily as likeable as Brad but upon reflection, I do not believe that Brad recruited at a high enough level to survive. Bryce and Adam to not a front court make. Barry might have come or might not. Relphorde isn't really a forward and again might or might not have come. Rick isn't playing 5 guards against Dayton because he wants to. Rick inherited less than I thought......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Jack Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I don't know where you got your numbers, but the Bills were 20-13 last year. You are missing three games. These are actually Jale Jarr's from another thread but it appears these are regular season stats they do not include the A-10 tourney. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 This post is absolutely hilarious. Where to start. First of all do you know the difference between a fact and an opinion? An opinion is something like "everything wrong with the Bills this year is Soderberg's fault". A fact is "Soderberg is not the coach of the Bills this year Rick Majerus is". See the difference?? I especially like "Fact" #3 that "most of us thought that one of the best basketball minds alive could have overcome fact number 1. We were wrong. FAULT GOES TO BRAD!! LMAO. We thought they would be better this year and we were wrong and that's Brad's fault! Here are some real facts for you that undermine your "facts": -Tommy Liddell averaged 15 pts and 7 rbs last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 11 pts and 3 rbs -Kevin Lisch averaged 15 pts and 3.5 assts last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 13 pts and 3 asts -Dwayne Polk averaged 5 pts last year playing for Coach Soderberg. This year he is averaging 3 pts -Last year under Coach Soderberg the Bills ended with an RPI of 74. This year under Coach Majerus their RPI is 143. -In games that Ian played less than 30 minutes last year the Bills were 11-4. In games he played more than 30 minutes they were 7-8. Jack, you have gone off the deep end. Your love for BS and hatred for RM has prevented you from any semblance of objectiveness. Please answer this, did Ian's presence help Tommie and Kevin's production last year. If you say no, then you obviously know nothing about basketball, if you say yes then you are calling yourself a fool. You decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dewey33 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 And Duquense wasn't even selling a mediocre past, they were selling a "we've been in the toilet so long the urninal would look like heaven" past. Duquesne facility really isn't all that bad....they just never had a product.....they practice where they play, it doesn't need much of a crowd to get jumping. It looks terrible on TV because the better seating is on the opposite side of the benches.... Ron Everhart came there from Northeastern, he looked at it as an opportunity compared to where he was. Our crowds would fill up nearly every arena in the league and the Scottrade is a palace, but you never have a homecourt advantage and it is hard for the students to attend. Students either pay for parking or wait in line for a smelly school bus.....neither is very fun. Plus, the only time our guys get to shoot in the building is on the day of the game. The sightlines are much different that they are at West Pine.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Jack Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Fact, mid-way through last year's spring recruiting period, when most of the good players were already signed, Coach Soderberg had a roster that only had two bigs - AK and BH... Inexcusable. Fact, Coach Soderberg did not sign a point guard to compete for playing time with a point guard who only averaged 5 ppg. Fact, Coach Soderberg said numerous times prior to last season that he had a team that could make the NCAA Tourney. He grossly overestimated the talent on the team as they failed to even make the NIT. I'm not defending Coach Soderberg's recruiting and I have never defended his recruiting on this board. But Soderberg was able to win last year and get more out of the players on this team than Majerus is. That is what I am criticizing Majerus for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 I'm not defending Coach Soderberg's recruiting and I have never defended his recruiting on this board. But Soderberg was able to win last year and get more out of the players on this team than Majerus is. That is what I am criticizing Majerus for. Do you really think Brad would've beaten GW or Dayton? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Jack Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Jack, you have gone off the deep end. Your love for BS and hatred for RM has prevented you from any semblance of objectiveness. Please answer this, did Ian's presence help Tommie and Kevin's production last year. If you say no, then you obviously know nothing about basketball, if you say yes then you are calling yourself a fool. You decide. I can say to you with 100% certainty that when IV was sitting on the bench he did nothing for Tommie and Kevin's production last year and they both were still able to produce. And in some of the Bill's biggest wins last year IV was on the bench close to half of the game. Here are a couple of box scores for you: @ St Joes Ian 14 minutes 3 pts 4 rbs 2 asts Tommy 37 minutes 21 pts 4 rbs 1 asts Kevin 36 minutes 19 pts 6 rbs 3 asts Luke 27 minutes 7 pts 2 rbs 0 asts Dwayne 30 minutes 11 pts 4 rbs 2 asts vs Xavier Ian 24 minutes 5 pts 1 rbs 2 asts Tommy 38 minutes 21 pts 5 rbs 4 asts Kevin 36 minutes 19 pts 5 rbs 5 asts Luke 38 minutes 12 pts 7 rbs 1 asts Dwayne 35 minutes 12 pts 5 rbs 5 asts How much did Ian help them in those games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Jack Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Do you really think Brad would've beaten GW or Dayton? Would've for sure? No I can't say that. Would've scored more than 20 pts against GW? Oh yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIG BILL FAN Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I can say to you with 100% certainty that when IV was sitting on the bench he did nothing for Tommie and Kevin's production last year and they both were still able to produce. And in some of the Bill's biggest wins last year IV was on the bench close to half of the game. Here are a couple of box scores for you: @ St Joes Ian 14 minutes 3 pts 4 rbs 2 asts Tommy 37 minutes 21 pts 4 rbs 1 asts Kevin 36 minutes 19 pts 6 rbs 3 asts Luke 27 minutes 7 pts 2 rbs 0 asts Dwayne 30 minutes 11 pts 4 rbs 2 asts vs Xavier Ian 24 minutes 5 pts 1 rbs 2 asts Tommy 38 minutes 21 pts 5 rbs 4 asts Kevin 36 minutes 19 pts 5 rbs 5 asts Luke 38 minutes 12 pts 7 rbs 1 asts Dwayne 35 minutes 12 pts 5 rbs 5 asts How much did Ian help them in those games? Jack,Jack,Jack, I promise this is my last post on this subject. As, I and others have mentioned numerous times to you, value to a team can not just be measured by their raw stats. Regardless of Ian's points in a game, he still demanded defensive attention from the other team. Ian also allowed you to play Bryce far less than he does now. Jack, were you actually at any games last year? If so, didn't you notice that Ian was always double teamed? Don't you think this helped Tommie and Kevin? Please quit saying this team should be as good as last year. There have been no significant additions and 1 major loss. How could it possibly be expected to be as good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I can say to you with 100% certainty that when IV was sitting on the bench he did nothing for Tommie and Kevin's production last year and they both were still able to produce. And in some of the Bill's biggest wins last year IV was on the bench close to half of the game. Here are a couple of box scores for you: @ St Joes Ian 14 minutes 3 pts 4 rbs 2 asts Tommy 37 minutes 21 pts 4 rbs 1 asts Kevin 36 minutes 19 pts 6 rbs 3 asts Luke 27 minutes 7 pts 2 rbs 0 asts Dwayne 30 minutes 11 pts 4 rbs 2 asts vs Xavier Ian 24 minutes 5 pts 1 rbs 2 asts Tommy 38 minutes 21 pts 5 rbs 4 asts Kevin 36 minutes 19 pts 5 rbs 5 asts Luke 38 minutes 12 pts 7 rbs 1 asts Dwayne 35 minutes 12 pts 5 rbs 5 asts How much did Ian help them in those games? It's pretty easy to cherry pick stats. Truth of the matter is that Ian only had 3 games where he played 20 min or less. The conclusion to the argument behind Jale's stats is that when Ian didn't play, we had a better record. Well, yes, stats can be used to support any argument. So everyone can look at the facts and decide for themselves, here are the minutes and won-loss stats last year for Ian (including Quincy and post-season). Under 30, w-l = 11-4, 30 or over, w-l = 9-9. Quincy 26 minutes Win La Tech 33 minutes Win Lamar 17 minutes Win Tex. A&M 28 minutes Loss Houston 35 minutes Win Loyola 26 minutes Win SIU-c 36 minutes Loss W. Ill. 20 minutes Win Pacific 32 minutes Win Tenn- Martin 25 minutes Win MSU 33 minutes Win UNC 32 minutes Loss Missisippi 33 minutes Win St. Bona. 33 minutes Loss Duq. 34 minutes Loss URI 34 minutes Win X 24 minutes Win Temple 34 minutes Loss Ford. 30 minutes Loss UNC-C 32 minutes Win Houston 21 minutes Loss St. Joes 14 minutes Win GW 28 minutes Win X 19 minutes Loss URI 24 minutes Loss La Salle 21 minutes Win Dayton 25 minutes Win Umass 31 minutes Loss Richmond 24 minutes Loss Dayton 41 minutes Loss Duq. 31 minutes Win Umass 32 minutes Win GW 31 minutes Loss Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Do you really think Brad would've beaten GW or Dayton? He watched upwards of 10 games on TV last year - he knows what he's talking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 He watched upwards of 10 games on TV last year - he knows what he's talking about. Were you talking Bills games or games in general? I didn't think we had ten televised games last year....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Jack, you have gone off the deep end. Your love for BS and hatred for RM has prevented you from any semblance of objectiveness. bbf, and considering your post history, your love of josh harrelson and soderberg's decision to wait on alexander to sign or not before offering has obviously affected your objectivity as well when it comes to soderberg. when i see your moniker, i immediately think, "the harrelson guy, get ready for either a i hate soderberg, why rickma is better, or if only we had josh" post. " i am amazed that we even have to talk about soderberg anymore. he's gone. the discussion should only be about what we have now and will get in the future when discussing the here, now and future imo. accept what it is, and discuss how it can get better now why it wont. i for one have more confidence in our coach and staff and believe they can do more with less. the trick is getting them to put out the designs to accomplish that instead of it being all about the future now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Jack Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Jack,Jack,Jack, I promise this is my last post on this subject. As, I and others have mentioned numerous times to you, value to a team can not just be measured by their raw stats. Regardless of Ian's points in a game, he still demanded defensive attention from the other team. Ian also allowed you to play Bryce far less than he does now. Jack, were you actually at any games last year? If so, didn't you notice that Ian was always double teamed? Don't you think this helped Tommie and Kevin? Please quit saying this team should be as good as last year. There have been no significant additions and 1 major loss. How could it possibly be expected to be as good? As I have stated numerous times Ian could not demand double teams and defensive attention from the other teams when he was sitting on the bench, which he was for big chunks of minutes last year and the team still produced. Eberhart is averaging 7.6 pts and 4.6 rbs so you are incorrect about there being no significant additions this year. With the continued improvement of the players that are returning and the addition of Eberhart there is no reason this team shouldn't have improved this years. But the team and most of the players have gone backward. That is a fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJK Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 I can say to you with 100% certainty that when IV was sitting on the bench he did nothing for Tommie and Kevin's production last year and they both were still able to produce. And in some of the Bill's biggest wins last year IV was on the bench close to half of the game. Here are a couple of box scores for you: @ St Joes Ian 14 minutes 3 pts 4 rbs 2 asts Tommy 37 minutes 21 pts 4 rbs 1 asts Kevin 36 minutes 19 pts 6 rbs 3 asts Luke 27 minutes 7 pts 2 rbs 0 asts Dwayne 30 minutes 11 pts 4 rbs 2 asts vs Xavier Ian 24 minutes 5 pts 1 rbs 2 asts Tommy 38 minutes 21 pts 5 rbs 4 asts Kevin 36 minutes 19 pts 5 rbs 5 asts Luke 38 minutes 12 pts 7 rbs 1 asts Dwayne 35 minutes 12 pts 5 rbs 5 asts How much did Ian help them in those games? wow... Dwayne? I don't remember that Polk. Wish we had him around... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 What the heck is that supposed to mean? Just a tongue in cheek comment, sarcasticly arguing an minute point of contention, as so offend occurs on this board but usually with a serious tone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Jack Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 wow... Dwayne? I don't remember that Polk. Wish we had him around... What happened to that Dwayne? What happened to that Liddell? Heck what happened to Danny Brown who averaged 5 points a game all three of his first three years and now he averages 1.5 pts. I guess it's all because Ian isn't around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Heck what happened to Danny Brown who averaged 5 points a game all three of his first three years and now he averages 1.5 pts. I guess it's all because Ian isn't around. Or maybe because he's coming off of fairly major knee surgery. 3Jack, you do see that Ian played 24 or more minutes in 27 games...right? And that he only played 20 minutes or less in 3 games? You said he was gone in "major chunks." I only see 6 games in which he could have been gone in major chunks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3Jack Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Or maybe because he's coming off of fairly major knee surgery. 3Jack, you do see that Ian played 24 or more minutes in 27 games...right? And that he only played 20 minutes or less in 3 games? You said he was gone in "major chunks." I only see 6 games in which he could have been gone in major chunks. I didn't say "major chunks" but if he is only playing 24 minutes that means he is sitting 16 minutes which is a pretty major chunk of a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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