stlsfinest Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 >>What have I said that's ungodly? Excuse me for wanting more >>from the program than what it currently is. People have >>used this integrity and grades excuses for years on why SLU >>isnt competing. If a kid gets in to Duke or Memphis, they >>are also eligible at SLU. SLU is no different as far as >>scholarship eligibility. Integrity + Soderberg + NIT. >>Thicks, what do you do to represent black people so much >>better than me? I'm not on here to represent black people. >>I'm here to represent myself. I try to keep racial stuff >>off of this board although I could bring out some comments >>I've been keeping inside for a long time. I represnt myself >>and community well. I'm an example of what a black kid is >>supposed to do. Go to college, stay out of trouble, be >>active in positive organizations like sports and student >>government, do community service under a prominent >>politician. I've done nothing to embarrass black people. > >What you've said that's ungodly is that SLU ought to cheat >if that's what it takes to win. > >I'm not attempting to "represent" black people or >"blackness" on this board at all. I rarely refer to race at >all, though I have occasionally expressed my viewpoint as a >black man and been criticized for it. I also never have any >stereotypically black signatures in my posts, but at times >you've quoted rap artists. I could be wrong, but my feeling >is that you've done more to promote your ethnicity than I've >ever done, and I've been here much longer. > >Jesus said that out of the treasure of the heart the mouth >speaks, and He also said that a good tree cannot produce bad >fruit. How can a person truly be representing himself and >his community well if he condones cheating? > >You may not feel embarrassed right now, but you're young and >you'll learn. (What's that maxim about being liberal while >young and conservative when old -- I'm sure Rich could help >me out with that?) I hope you'll learn. lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 >VTime, you have really hit an all time low. As Thicks >suggests, if you really do think we need to cheat to win, >then you need to find a different program to follow. One of >the things i pride myself on as a Bills fan is that we do >stuff by the books. We ARE a clean program. Nobody takes >notice because we are little??? How do you explain the St. >Boneventure fiasco? And I really can't believe you condone >cheating after what happened to your boy Quinn down the >road. If that's what you want for this university, you need >to go elsewhere because you're ideals and SLU ideals are >vastly different. In all seriousness Brad wouldn't have to cheat if he would take FULL advantage of his abilities within the rules. You can call each recruit once a week. I know for a FACT he doesnt call Leon Powell every week and it's safe to say he doesnt call Josh Harrellson every week. This guy is quiet and soft spoken. This program needs a guy who is charming and engaging who can relate to the kids and get them to come and get unhappy kids from other programs to transfer in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 "I've done nothing to embarrass black people." Outside of your retarded comments, I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 >>What have I said that's ungodly? Excuse me for wanting more >>from the program than what it currently is. People have >>used this integrity and grades excuses for years on why SLU >>isnt competing. If a kid gets in to Duke or Memphis, they >>are also eligible at SLU. SLU is no different as far as >>scholarship eligibility. Integrity + Soderberg + NIT. >>Thicks, what do you do to represent black people so much >>better than me? I'm not on here to represent black people. >>I'm here to represent myself. I try to keep racial stuff >>off of this board although I could bring out some comments >>I've been keeping inside for a long time. I represnt myself >>and community well. I'm an example of what a black kid is >>supposed to do. Go to college, stay out of trouble, be >>active in positive organizations like sports and student >>government, do community service under a prominent >>politician. I've done nothing to embarrass black people. > >What you've said that's ungodly is that SLU ought to cheat >if that's what it takes to win. > >I'm not attempting to "represent" black people or >"blackness" on this board at all. I rarely refer to race at >all, though I have occasionally expressed my viewpoint as a >black man and been criticized for it. I also never have any >stereotypically black signatures in my posts, but at times >you've quoted rap artists. I could be wrong, but my feeling >is that you've done more to promote your ethnicity than I've >ever done, and I've been here much longer. > >Jesus said that out of the treasure of the heart the mouth >speaks, and He also said that a good tree cannot produce bad >fruit. How can a person truly be representing himself and >his community well if he condones cheating? > >You may not feel embarrassed right now, but you're young and >you'll learn. (What's that maxim about being liberal while >young and conservative when old -- I'm sure Rich could help >me out with that?) I hope you'll learn. I'm sorry I'm not the black man you want me to be. I dont condone cheating, but I do condone breaking stupid rules. There were once rules that said you couldn't own land if your grandfather didnt own land. It was called the "grandfather clause." There were also rules that blacks votes didn't count or if they did, they were 3/5 because blacks weren't whole people. It was called the 3/5 Compromise. You dont have to worry about Brad cheating. He's not even doing the best he can within the rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 >"I've done nothing to embarrass black people." > >Outside of your retarded comments, I agree. It's a start. I can't make everyone happy, and I would should I try for a bunch of people I dont even know. The people who know me respect me for my accomplishments as well as being a well-mannered young man full of potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moytoy12 Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 "I would should I try for a bunch of people I dont even know." Are you trying to ask "why should I try for a bunch of people i don't even know"? Ask yourself that question, you are the insecure person that advertises his "accomplishments" to the board. See Tennis Post. In fact, see your post above: "as well as being a well-mannered young man full of potential." Your comments are generally inane and you desperately seek the approval or commendation of people that do not know you. In trying to garner approval or respect, your posts are self-defeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted June 7, 2006 Share Posted June 7, 2006 >>All of this talk about Calipari has caused me to look at >>Memphis since he has taken over. I cannot see where he has >>done anything but help that program. He is constantly on >>sports programs pushing the cith of Memphis and the >>Basketball program. He is graduating his players, He led >>the program to the elite eight last year, BTW Milt Wagner >>is still on the staff for those that thought that it was >>only going to be while his son was there. I can't see where >>he has done anything wrong, maybe most of you can see >>things I can't. I would love to have a coach going on >>national TV and pushing SLU and the city like he does. > > >I agree. Moving to the A10 conference was a huge mistake. >The biggest rool SLU had recruiting wise was to give kids a >chance to play in a high major school. Playing for SLU used >to mean playing for a high major, now it doesnt. The A10 >produces what, maybe one first round pick a year. In the >last 4 years there was David West, Delonte West, Jameer >Nelson, and this month there will be Mardy Collins. That's >it. I hate say this, but across state a coach came in less >than 3 months ago and in about 9 weeks signed 6 guys at a >brand new program while Soderberg has been at SLU all year >and signed 2 guys. SLU makes me so upset, from the >administration allowing the conference change to the head >coach's ineptness. I think I might be done posting here. >This program is a headache. How many of those 6 are from Missouri? MU let another blue-chipper in Tyus get away. You used to be Snyder's cheerleader, now you're doing the same for Anderson. By leaving, you would clear up two headaches - your own and the board's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 7, 2006 Author Share Posted June 7, 2006 >"I would should I try for a bunch of people I dont even >know." > >Are you trying to ask "why should I try for a bunch of >people i don't even know"? > >Ask yourself that question, you are the insecure person that >advertises his "accomplishments" to the board. See Tennis >Post. In fact, see your post above: "as well as being a >well-mannered young man full of potential." > >Your comments are generally inane and you desperately seek >the approval or commendation of people that do not know you. > In trying to garner approval or respect, your posts are >self-defeating. that was the exact opposite of what I was going for. I really could care less what anyone says on here. I'm not even on here everyday like most people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevinfootes Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Cheating hurts the integrity of the University, which is bad for everyone involved. I sat in a class with a player who had no business being at SLU, and that got me really angry. I was not shocked when he left the school. At least he wasn't getting money. I honestly would rather not win any games than cheat to win. Fortunately, it's not an "either cheat or lose" situation. It may be a little harder, but that's life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 So who determines which rules are good and which rules are ok to break? Each individual? One day you will probably be in charge of an organization of some kind, who gets to make the rules then? Is it ok if people break whichever rules you make that they deem to be "stupid rules" What if you are paying a guy ... and he thinks your Payroll rule, the one that says he makes $15.00 an hour is stupid, so he breaks it and helps himself to more, is it ok because he thought the rule was stupid. Don't call it stealing, it's really just a rule. Lets get simpler ... in my business ... what if my mechanic never changed the oil on my cars and I had alot of bad engines, even though I have a rule about when and what needs changed. If he feels those rules are stupid ... then is it ok if he breaks them. You have chaos if everyone can break the rules that seem "stupid" to them. You say they are not doing anything criminal ... but how can you differentiate. Laws are just rules that our society lives by. When is it ok to and not to break them. Why can't individuals just break the ones they feel are stupid. The rules are set to give everyone a fair playing field. If everyone doesn't follow them, the playing field isn't level. Does the NCAA have some stupid rules, YES ... big YES. But when you don't like the rules then they need changed, but the majority must be ok with most rules ... otherwise the schools would get the rules changed. When a school agrees to participate in the NCAA they agree to abide by the rules. All the rules not just the ones they feel are good smart rules. What if in your Tennis match ... your opponent decided he could run up to the net and serve ... hell it's just a rule that says he has to stay behind the base line ... what if he feels and sincerely feels that the rule is stupid, and since it's stupid he doesn't need to follow it, not only that ... not following it gives him a better chance to win. What if the umpire doesn't care because he thinks its a stupid rule also ... hell it's just a line. I don't think your view that it's ok to bend or break the rules that you feel are stupid if it helps you to win ... says anything about your character as a black man. It says something about your character as a man. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman and loyal subject of Billsboy and all ex D1 players and coaches everywhere. You da man Billsboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 that was the exact opposite of what I was going for. I really could care less what anyone says on here. I'm not even on here everyday like most people. You're kidding right ... Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman and loyal subject of Billsboy and all ex D1 players and coaches everywhere. You da man Billsboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VTIME Posted June 8, 2006 Author Share Posted June 8, 2006 > So who determines which rules are good and which rules are >ok to break? Each individual? One day you will probably be >in charge of an organization of some kind, who gets to make >the rules then? Is it ok if people break whichever rules you >make that they deem to be "stupid rules" What if you are >paying a guy ... and he thinks your Payroll rule, the one >that says he makes $15.00 an hour is stupid, so he breaks it >and helps himself to more, is it ok because he thought the >rule was stupid. Don't call it stealing, it's really just a >rule. Lets get simpler ... in my business ... what if my >mechanic never changed the oil on my cars and I had alot of >bad engines, even though I have a rule about when and what >needs changed. If he feels those rules are stupid ... then >is it ok if he breaks them. You have chaos if everyone can >break the rules that seem "stupid" to them. > > You say they are not doing anything criminal ... but how >can you differentiate. Laws are just rules that our society >lives by. When is it ok to and not to break them. Why can't >individuals just break the ones they feel are stupid. > > The rules are set to give everyone a fair playing field. If >everyone doesn't follow them, the playing field isn't level. >Does the NCAA have some stupid rules, YES ... big YES. But >when you don't like the rules then they need changed, but >the majority must be ok with most rules ... otherwise the >schools would get the rules changed. When a school agrees to >participate in the NCAA they agree to abide by the rules. >All the rules not just the ones they feel are good smart >rules. > > What if in your Tennis match ... your opponent decided he >could run up to the net and serve ... hell it's just a rule >that says he has to stay behind the base line ... what if he >feels and sincerely feels that the rule is stupid, and since >it's stupid he doesn't need to follow it, not only that ... >not following it gives him a better chance to win. What if >the umpire doesn't care because he thinks its a stupid rule >also ... hell it's just a line. > > I don't think your view that it's ok to bend or break the >rules that you feel are stupid if it helps you to win ... >says anything about your character as a black man. It says >something about your character as a man. > > > > > Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. >Waldman and loyal subject of Billsboy and all ex D1 players >and coaches everywhere. You da man Billsboy There are laws to keep religion and state separate. Meaning no religion in schools etc. The same government who imposes that law prints these words on it's currency "IN GOD WE TRUST." Bending rules to compete wouldn't hurt anybody and who will investigate SLU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Now that is a different arguement. I don't think you can say he doesn't take full advantage of his abilities. I think what you mean is he doesn't take full advantage of the opportunities afforded him. That is a different arguement ... you may or may not be right. He may feel he calls Leon enough ... he is the coach, he gets to decide what is enough. If he is wrong Leon and Josh and all other players he doesn't call enough ... won't come and he won't establish a winning program here. The question now seems to be ... has he had enough time to make the decision that he can or can't have a winning program. That question is where most of the disagreements on UB are. For example ... Nark thinks this year ought to be a make or break yoear for UB ... win or move on. I don't agree ... Who knows which of us is right ... only time will tell. He might have a better year this year, but not make the NCAA's ... and then make it the following year and continue to make it from there. If we were to fire him after this year we wouldn't know ... or maybe Nark is right ... he doesn't make the tourney this year and we don't fire him and then he continues to not make it. I think most of us agree ... UB has not had a great recruiting year and there are alot of very good local kids coming up soon. UB needs to get quite a few of these kids. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman and loyal subject of Billsboy and all ex D1 players and coaches everywhere. You da man Billsboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I don't think most people say we can't be included ... I say we can. I just realize it is a tough battle that we won't always win. We do need to win some. We won with Kevin and Tommie. We lost with Lance and some others this year. There is alot coming up and Brad needs to win some of those. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman and loyal subject of Billsboy and all ex D1 players and coaches everywhere. You da man Billsboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 Well we agree on something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiphan Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 > Now that is a different arguement. > > I don't think you can say he doesn't take full advantage of >his abilities. I think what you mean is he doesn't take full >advantage of the opportunities afforded him. > > That is a different arguement ... you may or may not be >right. He may feel he calls Leon enough ... he is the coach, >he gets to decide what is enough. If he is wrong Leon and >Josh and all other players he doesn't call enough ... won't >come and he won't establish a winning program here. The >question now seems to be ... has he had enough time to make >the decision that he can or can't have a winning program. >That question is where most of the disagreements on UB are. >For example ... Nark thinks this year ought to be a make or >break yoear for UB ... win or move on. I don't agree ... Who >knows which of us is right ... only time will tell. He might >have a better year this year, but not make the NCAA's ... >and then make it the following year and continue to make it >from there. If we were to fire him after this year we >wouldn't know ... or maybe Nark is right ... he doesn't make >the tourney this year and we don't fire him and then he >continues to not make it. > > I think most of us agree ... UB has not had a great >recruiting year and there are alot of very good local kids >coming up soon. UB needs to get quite a few of these kids. > > > Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. >Waldman and loyal subject of Billsboy and all ex D1 players >and coaches everywhere. You da man Billsboy zzzzzzzzzzzzz. Boring. Wake me up when this guys self important babble ends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted June 8, 2006 Share Posted June 8, 2006 I would suggest you listen up ... you may be able to learn something. You showed your colors ... I'm done with you. I've wiped my ass. Official Billikens.com sponsor of H. Waldman and loyal subject of Billsboy and all ex D1 players and coaches everywhere. You da man Billsboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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