Lurking Dog Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Link for Box and Won-- http://www.courierpress.com/news/2007/nov/08/08c01beard-col/ Evansville was in the Pioneer league for 5 years before dropping football. BTW, Dayton will represent the PFL in the Gridiron Classic on December 1. As they say on TV, "check your local listings." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I love college football, I am a huge Auburn fan. That is big time college football and becoming big time college football is much harder than becoming big time college basketball. However, that is not what we are talking about here we are hoping for something less than that much much less. I think it can be done. I don't think we will be able to compete with Dayton. I think that because it has alot to do with geography Dayton is in OH and SLU is in MO (in case you didn't know). MO HS football stinks. Don't kid yourself Missourians, it is terrible. IL HS football stinks too. So SLU sits in the middle of a sea of bad HS football talent. Isn't it NW MO St. that has thrived in a lesser Division recruiting Nebraska kids? We aren't close enough for that so we are stuck with medicore. Maybe someone could hit the road and travel down to Arkansas and Oklahoma. I'll volunteer to work the DFW Metroplex, Fr. Nolan HS down here has been the state champs for Private Schools a few times recently and I'll go on behalf of SLU and offer schollys to the whole team. Also Harvest Christian Academy right by my house has George Teague as coach (the former Cowboy who knocked TO off the star) I'll hit them up as well. So to summarize my rambling. If SLU fields a team I will support them but I don't think they will ever be good due to geography. I'm torn. D IAA non-scolarship should be attainable. Where would they play? The soccer field? I wouldn't want them to tear up the surface because Soccer is actually good. When I was at SLU we just had our pledges play other fraternities pledges on Saturdays at Tower Grove while we all partook from a cold Keg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Here are a couple of conferences we could fit into. This is from the Sagarin Ratings 12 GATEWAY (AA)= 59.16 57.14 ( 14) TEAMS= 7 College Football 2007 through games of November 10 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.64 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR 35 Northern Iowa AA = 77.91 10 0 55.05( 147) 0 0 | 0 0 | 85.69 12 | 72.17 57 60 Southern Illinois AA = 72.78 9 1 50.90( 159) 0 0 | 0 0 | 75.02 44 | 70.22 68 91 Youngstown State AA = 64.15 7 4 56.92( 134) 0 1 | 0 1 | 62.24 103 | 65.54 86 96 Western Illinois AA = 62.00 6 5 59.00( 124) 0 0 | 0 1 | 62.30 101 | 61.14 103 138 Missouri State AA = 53.44 6 5 53.15( 152) 0 0 | 0 0 | 55.75 130 | 50.48 151 146 Illinois State AA = 52.64 4 7 57.00( 132) 0 1 | 0 1 | 52.05 144 | 52.64 147 240 Indiana State AA = 17.04 0 11 56.13( 138) 0 0 | 0 0 | 13.48 239 | 19.18 236 ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ That league maybe just a little too competitive for an upstart SLU but the fit is there geographically. We could find a few alumni with Suburbans to drive the teams to games on the weekends. Maybe BoxandWon could bring the orange slices, B-Rich could bring Gatorade and BluewCrewPrez could be the team mom. 25 OHIO VALLEY (AA)= 36.52 36.88 ( 25) TEAMS= 10 College Football 2007 through games of November 10 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.64 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR 131 Eastern Kentucky AA = 55.49 8 2 43.90( 185) 0 0 | 0 1 | 59.59 114 | 50.74 150 168 Eastern Illinois AA = 47.21 7 3 40.56( 205) 0 0 | 0 0 | 48.48 164 | 45.31 176 177 Jacksonville State AA = 45.07 6 4 40.74( 204) 0 0 | 0 0 | 44.00 178 | 45.55 173 196 Tennessee State AA = 39.86 5 5 39.89( 210) 0 0 | 0 0 | 40.63 192 | 38.46 199 206 Tennessee-Martin AA = 36.87 3 7 40.19( 208) 0 0 | 0 0 | 28.13 223 | 42.33 186 208 Austin Peay AA = 36.03 6 4 35.80( 229) 0 0 | 0 0 | 36.04 201 | 35.44 205 216 Samford AA = 31.46 4 6 41.50( 200) 0 0 | 0 0 | 30.22 213 | 32.08 214 221 Tennessee Tech AA = 29.02 4 6 43.01( 188) 0 0 | 0 1 | 26.97 226 | 30.30 220 231 Murray State AA = 25.82 2 8 45.80( 174) 0 0 | 0 0 | 21.71 232 | 28.43 224 233 SE Missouri State AA = 21.92 2 8 43.45( 187) 0 0 | 0 1 | 15.28 237 | 25.57 227 A little more driving but if you really like hills and Jack Daniels could be a good fit. 24 PIONEER (AA)= 37.33 36.93 ( 24) TEAMS= 8 College Football 2007 through games of November 10 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.64 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR 137 Dayton AA = 53.47 10 1 36.21( 225) 0 0 | 0 0 | 58.32 122 | 47.78 164 155 San Diego AA = 50.72 9 1 32.25( 236) 0 0 | 0 0 | 54.98 133 | 45.51 174 193 Drake AA = 40.01 6 5 42.59( 191) 0 0 | 0 0 | 43.51 180 | 35.11 207 194 Davidson AA = 39.96 6 4 36.87( 223) 0 0 | 0 0 | 43.31 181 | 35.29 206 198 Morehead State AA = 38.87 7 3 33.52( 234) 0 0 | 0 0 | 43.96 179 | 31.17 218 222 Valparaiso AA = 28.95 5 6 37.69( 220) 0 0 | 0 0 | 33.50 209 | 20.82 234 230 Jacksonville AA = 25.97 3 7 38.69( 216) 0 0 | 0 0 | 29.88 214 | 19.07 237 239 Butler AA = 17.46 4 7 40.84( 201) 0 0 | 0 0 | 19.31 234 | 14.40 240 who the hell put this league together? Davidson is on the East Coast and San Diego is on fire. If you like Golf you can take the road trip to Davidson if you like the beach hit San Diego. A couple nice vacation options in this league. I'll skip Drake. 5 BIG TEN (A) = 76.60 76.18 ( 5) TEAMS= 11 College Football 2007 through games of November 10 Saturday the BCS uses the ELO_CHESS from here HOME ADVANTAGE= 2.64 RATING W L SCHEDL(RANK) VS top 10 | VS top 30 | ELO_CHESS | PREDICTOR 5 Ohio State A = 90.32 10 1 70.04( 55) 0 0 | 2 1 | 88.03 6 | 92.46 5 20 Illinois A = 82.04 8 3 74.17( 20) 1 1 | 3 2 | 83.02 18 | 80.60 27 21 Michigan A = 81.84 8 3 72.44( 39) 0 1 | 2 2 | 81.98 23 | 81.15 24 22 Penn State A = 81.79 8 3 70.07( 54) 0 1 | 1 3 | 80.66 29 | 82.40 19 26 Wisconsin A = 80.02 8 3 71.63( 43) 0 1 | 1 3 | 81.07 28 | 78.50 39 42 Purdue A = 76.63 7 4 69.04( 63) 0 1 | 0 3 | 74.43 49 | 78.46 40 49 Michigan State A = 75.53 6 5 71.11( 46) 0 1 | 0 3 | 72.63 59 | 78.25 41 63 Iowa A = 71.10 6 5 70.30( 53) 0 0 | 1 2 | 71.74 62 | 69.92 70 66 Indiana A = 71.01 6 5 65.45( 88) 0 0 | 0 3 | 69.79 68 | 71.68 59 78 Northwestern A = 67.80 6 5 68.16( 69) 0 1 | 0 2 | 68.41 75 | 66.64 77 114 Minnesota A = 59.84 1 10 73.12( 34) 0 1 | 0 3 | 56.47 128 | 62.71 98 This league has some good academic schools, good geographical fit and their own television network. Could also be beneficial for the basketball team recruiting as well. Come on guys USF didn't even have football a few years ago now they are Big Least and were ranked #2 this year. All we need at SLU is for someone to dontate $100 million and we can do it too. We'll just have to recruit out of state for reasons mentioned in a previous post. If Northwestern can do it why can't SLU? I'll make some calls to help raise some money. I have past success on getting funds for a brick. Maybe we could start in the WAC first and play Bowling Green and Miami OH. ________________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alameda bob Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 The A Bomb has detonated. If you SL fans miss the autumn experience, do what I did when I was a SLU student. Head west on Friday night 120 miles, party till 2AM. Rise & Shine and head to Farout Field and you'll get that big time experience. Get home on Sunday in time to get a good nights sleep before class on Monday. The Tigers have been fun this year. And you have SLU soccer to get excited about when they are on the road beating everyone except OU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 The A Bomb has detonated. If you SL fans miss the autumn experience, do what I did when I was a SLU student. Head west on Friday night 120 miles, party till 2AM. Rise & Shine and head to Farout Field and you'll get that big time experience. Get home on Sunday in time to get a good nights sleep before class on Monday. The Tigers have been fun this year. And you have SLU soccer to get excited about when they are on the road beating everyone except OU. I was there on Saturday, and it just made me want football even more. While I'm proud of the success our soccer program has had over the years, there's just no comparison to football. A-Bomb, I think that the Pioneer is the only league that would really be a good fit for us initially due to the fact that it consists of non-scholarship programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 For all games at Faurot Field I usually root for a natural disaster. Pioneer is alot of travel unless we were only required to play a few conference games not everyone like USD and Davidson. I'm holding out for the big donation and move to the Big 10. We could play at EJ Dome for a few years until our 80,000 seat stadium is built right on top of where that old Horse Stable was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheA_Bomb Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Idea so crazy it just might work: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/69222 Yes I am off today. Hug a Veteran, especially if you are a hot chick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RF1 Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 Perspective from a Rhode Island fan: Cost: IAA or FCS football is a big drain on funds. It does not have a big revenue stream as there is little tv money. Any revenues it brings in are from local sources with ticket monies being the far and away largest factor. As an example, UMASS went to the championship game last year yet lost over one million dollars on its football program. Expenditures outrun revenues for the great majority of FCS programs. Pretty much only BCS programs have any chance of making money off football. Fan interest: 1AA or FCS football is not big with the causal fan. It is not considered "big-time". There are isolated pockets of interest in some places (Delaware and some Rocky Mountain and southern based programs). It is not very much followed in the densely populated northeast even though there are many programs located there. Look at the attendance for northeast FCS football games. SLU draws better for early season basketball games against no-name teams. Equity Issues: Having a football program with all its scholarships is tough for gender compliance. There is no single women's sport that uses anywhere near that number of scholarships. URI has a FCS football program. It is usually not very good and it garners little fan interest. There is always some talk that it should be dropped. UConn is a bad example to use. I have been to the new and old UConn stadiums and live in New England so i think I can comment. UConn was never a football school even when they were in the same league with UMass and URI. Basketball has always been king at UConn. The Huskies were fortunate to be picked for the Big East when the league was formed for basketball only some 25 years ago. When the Big East later added football, UConn had the option of upgrading. UConn eventually upgraded football to 1A but the main reason it did so might surprise you. UConn upgraded football for its basketball programs (men and women). There were rumors that the Big East might split along football lines. UConn, had the league split, would have been left with the small Catholic non football schools and its dreams of continued national college basketball prominence would have been greatly endangered. It chose to upgrade football to protect its basketball programs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurking Dog Posted November 12, 2007 Share Posted November 12, 2007 I was surprised to see how low Rhode Island's attendance has been. For a state university in a scholarship conference, they have very little interest in football. URI ranks behind three PFL schools in attendance, and they're only slightly ahead of San Diego and 1,700-student Davidson. http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/Internet/attend...GATTENDANCE.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sillybilly Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Maybe I am dreaming, because whenever the subject of football has been raised for SLU, it is like some Dr. No appears to shoot down every idea, while we watch similar institutions to SLU making inroads into football, some of them with tremendous success. I cite Fordham as the prime example because I was just there Saturday. Fordham went from D-3 football to 2 Patriot League D-1AA championships in 2002 and this year. There were 8.300 people sitting on one side of Jack Coffey Field in The Bronx on Saturday, most of whom were rooting on the Rams. It brought the whole school together, Jesuits, parents, alumni, students, all for one, all for the Rams. I just couldn't help but wonder why this couldn't happen at the beloved alma mater, good old St. Louis U. For once, why can't SLU be the pacesetter? Let's get a SLU Football team before say a Marquette resurrects its team. (Now I have no information that Marquette is actually doing that.) SLU has almost twice the endowment of Fordham. Even in disappointing years in recent SLU basketball history, SLU basketball would double the best attendance Fordham could ever have as long as Fordham plays its games on campus at Rose Hill Gym. I would fully expect SLU hoops this year to triple Fordham basketball attendance, if not quadruple it. And most neutral observers, coast to coast, think that Rick Majerus will have tremendous success with the SLU Basketball program, as in conference championships and perennial NCAA Tournament appearances. That will mean increased revenue into the SLU coffers. We are lucky as all heck to get RM. I still don't know why he didn't go to a national power. However, don't count on him being here more than 3 years....tops. His health is not good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 Give it up silly. Nobody is buying it when you refer to Slu as "we." The Majerus "health" thing is already a tired old line floated out there by non-Slu fans. You're only 12 posts into your billikenboard career and it is already clear you aren't a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 We are lucky as all heck to get RM. I still don't know why he didn't go to a national power. However, don't count on him being here more than 3 years....tops. His health is not good. You're either talking out your azz or in serious violation of HIPAA regulations. I'm assuming it's the former. Give it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLfan Posted November 13, 2007 Share Posted November 13, 2007 If SLU is going to add Football I hope they go all out. Join the bowl division, Build a 40,000 or so seat on campus outdoor stadium, and create a new conference because there aren't any really near by worth joining. That's not asking to much is it? UCF just built a 45,301 seat stadium for $54 Million. What do you think it would cost to get all of that done? 100 Million or so? New conference that can compete in both football and basketball. Saint Louis Memphis Tulsa TCU SMU Houston UTEP New Mexico Colorado State Tulane Southern Miss UAB UCF's new stadium Hire a good coach, win a bunch of games and in 10-15 years replace Baylor as the private school in the Big 12. That sounds good to me. Of course I don't expect any of that to actually happen but it would be fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 so basically conference usa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurking Dog Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Not happening. You might find yourselves in this conference, however. http://www.xu.edu/football/mcfc.cfm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Not happening. You might find yourselves in this conference, however. http://www.xu.edu/football/mcfc.cfm That would be a great place to start, IMO. Doesn't UW-Milwaukee have a team as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurking Dog Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 Yes. UWM doesn't travel as much as their cross town rivals. They play a lot of D-III junior varsities. http://www.uwm.edu/StudentOrg/MPF/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
provos528 Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 If luck comes my way, I will gladly sponsor a Football team complete with stadium.. Mark my word.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted November 14, 2007 Share Posted November 14, 2007 If luck comes my way, I will gladly sponsor a Football team complete with stadium.. Mark my word.. Same here. I'm just waiting for the Powerball to get back up over $200 million so that we can do it first-class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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