cgeldmacher
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On 8/10/2023 at 9:54 AM, billiken_roy said:
so Hoosier, you dont like young hughes to be an important part of the point guard solution for the billikens? interesting.
I have always looked at LHJr at a better option as a shooting guard than as a point guard. The special talent he had in high school that got him looks was his flashes of showing elite shooting ability. Our best case scenario is that he steps in, after this season, as Jimerson's replacement as our top outside shooter. To me, if he's having to worry about running the point, he won't be developing like he should at this best qualities.
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1 minute ago, QUAILMAN said:
That makes us the third school he has “committed” to in the past 5 months. Hopefully this one sticks!
He was just Dandridging those other schools until he found the one he really wanted to play for.
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I guess the transfer rules don't suck if you are at the top of the food chain in a sport. So, this must be what it feels like to be Duke in basketball.
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On 7/15/2023 at 11:00 PM, Coach314 said:
Yeah. But i think now is the perfect time to take a flyer on him. I think the offers will start flowing in with his expanded role this coming season.
Anytime somone that size is getting looks, I assume it is because they have intangibles great enought to make up for their height limitations.
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Jordan is the perfect guy to have this type of success happen to from SLU's perspective. He is a local kid who trusted our program with his future. He spent all of his eligibility at SLU battling like a warrior every minute of every game. Now he's earned his way into a great spot on a top team in the NBA. Ford should be hyping Jordan's story when talking to recruits much more so than talking about Marcus Smart.
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1 hour ago, DOC said:
The fact that he looked Tate and Ford in the eye on the eve he was leaving and assured them everything was good is what I didn't like about it. And I agree if you say you are leaving then leave. Coming back after you stated you want to be somewhere else only brings problems
This is sports, man. Albert Pujols says he wants to spend his entire career in St. Louis and then leaves. College coaches assure fanbases that they are committed to a program and then cash in somewhere else. A guy like Ryan O'Reilly appears to be destined to finish his career in St. Louis, but gets traded when doing so serves the best interest of the team.
Let me let you in on a little secret. It is not their job to worry about your feelings. It's their responbility to take care of themselves and their family. I'm sure you've made similar decisions in your life that were just not as public as Yuri's decisions.
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Wow. Just did a search of best players available in the portal. Check out number 4. Doesn't make me excited about who is left out there.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2023/?status=best-available
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I disagree with those questioning his lack of scoring. Do you think the Warriors want rookies coming off the bench and taking shots that could be taken by Steph Curry, Klay Thompson or Jordan Poole? Or would they maybe prefer someone who shows they don't need to "get their points," but instead are willing to do everything to make the stars they already have better?
Goodwin got to the league using his skill set, not the skill set that most people think is necessary. I think Yuri can do the same thing. Time will tell.
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On 7/1/2023 at 9:09 PM, Brighton said:
but with one NCAAT appearance in 11 years and 5 in 16 since it opened.
That doesn’t scream Gonzaga to me. Or even VCU.
One should expect to get more bang for their buck, but again, it’s SLU.
You first claimed SLU was not commited to athletics. Then, when it was pointed out how that wasn't true, you pivoted your argument.
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On 7/1/2023 at 1:12 PM, TheA_Bomb said:
Let's just take sports out of this, 17 or 18 year old student decides to go to Big State U to get their Presidential Scholarship (full ride) and study Electrical Engineering, then gets an offer from MIT for a full ride to study Electrical Egineering so they change their mind and go to MIT. Do they now have to sit out of engineering classes for a year?
No and it would be dumb to enforce such a rule. So why should we expect anything different from someone that plays a sport? Because he NCAA is involved with arbitrary rules and is now shown to be powerless and inept? I love sports but my love of sports and desire to see a good player on my chosen team can't over ride a students school choice.
The new reality is you gotta recruit until classes start and keep recruiting your own players you want to keep. Be honest with those that need to move on and constantly be seeking improvement.
Athletics are not classes. Classes are the entire reason a university exists. Not sports. In the scenario of a kid that backs out of his commitment to go to a school to play basketball, that kid can still take classes at the new school he goes to. Your comparison is not apples to apples.
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These are the current rules. I don't think we have much of a chance if we play by the rules everybody else is. That being said, maybe the scenario I described above is a creative way to give us a shot. If we pretend that NIL is not for "pay for play" we have ZERO chance.
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4 minutes ago, JMM28 said:
Except that is totally against what few rules there are regarding this stuff. That is pretty much a definition of "inducement to attend a university" just on the back end.
Except nobody is hiding the fact that NIL is being used for "pay for play." Kansas outbid Michigan for Hunter Dickson. No one questioned it one ounce.
Former Michigan basketball star Hunter Dickinson implied that an increase in his name, image and likeness earnings played a role in his decision to transfer to Kansas.
Dickinson, an Associated Press All-American honorable mention who averaged 18.5 points and 9.0 rebounds per game as a junior at Michigan last season, said his critics would also make a move for a pay raise during his appearance on his "Roundball" podcast Tuesday.
"The people hating on me would leave their job right now for a $10,000 increase," Dickinson said. "I got, at Michigan, less than six figures. I got less than six figures at Michigan for the year."
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I never really considered what was meant by pay upon graduating, but the more I think about it, this may just be the novel approach needed in a system that is stacked against us. It has been discussed at length already, but we WILL NOT compete against power conference teams, with 5 times as many alumni as us, on a year to year basis for kids wanting to cash in immediately (which sounds like its most of them). Knowing this, the BVF may be coming up with a system that attracts "kids that want to be here" and are willing to stick around and wait to cash in right before they go out into the real world.
Here is a possible structure. When a kid commits, he gets $5,000 per year up front for expenses. He also banks $10,000 for his 1st season, $15,000 for his second season, $20,000 for his third season, and $40,000 for his fourth season. All the banked money is paid upon graduating and finishing your final season. Also, the kid's banked money earns interest over his four years here. Under this scernario, a kid gets about $100,000 at the end of four years when considering interest. On SLU's end, we are getting kids that likely intend to stick around. A star player that we develop that is being courted by other schools after his junior year would have to consider that he is giving up about $50,000 in money that is sitting and waiting for him, plus $40,000 for his final year, when deciding to transfer. I like the idea of creating incentive for that kid to stick around.
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6 minutes ago, dlarry said:
This got me thinking about tanking professional teams.
Would People be Ok with the Bills punting a few season and not spending any NIL money and then 2 years from now using the money. Jolt up and buy 4 and 5 star players?
I think I would be ok with 2 years of tanking for 2 years of stars.
Non football schools need to think outside the box if they want to compete.The Florida Marlins plan? Stink for several years, then go big and win a title, then stink for several years, then go big again.
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In each of these sources from before LHJ first stepped on campus as a Billiken, he was described as a "shooting guard." The one standout portion of his game before he got here was shooting. Everything else was rather average. Don't get me wrong, I think he has improved all his other skills since he's been here, but we brought him in because he could shoot, not because he could play PG.
https://247sports.com/player/larry-hughes-jr-46097325/
https://n.rivals.com/content/athletes/larry-hughes-jr-260433?view=pv
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I am warming to the idea that we will have less competition for playing time among our guards, who I have more confidence in (Jimerson, Parker), and more competition for time among our bigs. Let the best of our bigs earn their playing time.
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1 minute ago, brianstl said:
Those big public schools have 85 football players that want NIL money, too. That could give a school SLU's size an advantage by not having to worry about covering NIL for football.
SLU has more than enough billionaire and regular grads to compete in big time college basketball. Now do those grads have the desire to spend what it will take on basketball players? That is the question. I wouldn't fault them if they don't, but there is more than enough high roller and regular joe alums out there.
Not incorrect at all. Hadn't considered that angle. At certain schools (Kansas, Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina, Duke) much more NIL money will go to basketball than at other schools. However, at other schools (Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama, Iowa, Oklahoma, Washington) the vast majority of the NIL money will probably go to football.
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On 6/22/2023 at 1:49 PM, billiken_roy said:
but that's what is so unfair about the whole thing. the big public schools that have the big football and basketball programs have these major whales that make gadzillions in income every year and think of $100,000 the way we think of $100. they dont care.
i believe there is such a divide in income sources that we are approaching the divide in Division one fast. and nothing to blame but the NiL b.s. that's why it has never been as important to be in on the biggest conferences. those conferences will drag along the also runs of their conference and we will get tourney money that the non big conferences will never see again.
It's not just wealthy donors. We have wealthy alums as well. However, the big public schools may have 5 times as many graduates as a school SLU's size. For every alum of SLU that wants to donate $50 per month, like the guy above is doing at North Texas, a big public school has five of those guys.
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4 hours ago, ACE said:
I love labels. I guess I'm in the... initially lukewarm on the Ford hire, but quickly enthused based on the staff he assembled and the quick rebuild of the roster thru recruiting of quality transfers, locals like Goodwin and East Coast players, but then recognized the bad break of S2 in slowing down the rebuild, but quickly optimistic again following the trip to the Dance, and further encouraged with the next three seasons, but disappointed in how it played out with some bad luck of one season being canceled, another being derailed due to team COVID and the 3rd blown up by the Perk season-ender - robbing us of at least 1 certain trip to the Dance and possibly more during this period, but then becoming less enthusiastic about recruiting and staff with the Forte hire and misguided recruiting strategy, along with a failure to round out last year's roster, and further disappointed with the on-court performance and now not impressed with the recruiting efforts this offseason, but really even more than Ford MUCH more worried about the impacts of the NET, free agency and NIL on most non-P6 programs like SLU... crowd.
Great post. You can label me as in that "camp" as well.
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I'm hoping the logic holds true that a bunch of good players will still be looking for chairs at the end of this giant game of musical chairs and need to sign somewhere. And guess what we are.....somewhere.
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The best news for Jordan is that he is signed to a team/cap space friendly contract, and the Suns only have room for those types of contracts right now. This means that he will be able to ride out his contract on a team that will be in contention for a title each of his remaining years.
As far as earning his next contract, the Suns will, presumably, have big second half leads against bottom half teams. If they do, the coach will want to send in the grinder/defender types off the bench. He fits that mold. Hopefully, this is when he will be able to showcase his special skillset to the rest of the league.
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Can we start some sort of a petition for the NBA to give St. Louis a preseason exhibition game between the Suns and the Celtics?
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1 hour ago, Pistol said:
Update on Walsh's bio since he got the offer:
Luke Walsh - SG, 6-2, 170 - St. Louis, MO (Vianney) - AAU: Brad Beal Elite (Nike EYBL) - Twitter: @LukeWalsh1414
Offers: Saint Louis, George Mason, Missouri State, Southeast Missouri, Lindenwood, Texas-Arlington, Louisiana-Monroe.Interest: Dayton, Loyola-Chicago, Richmond, Xavier, Butler, LSU, Missouri, Illinois, Northwestern, Minnesota, Notre Dame, Iowa State, West Virginia, Utah, Arizona, State, Belmont, Illinois-Chicago, Illinois State, Indiana State, Evansville, Columbia, Rice, Buffalo, Milwaukee, Green Bay, Austin Peay, Southern Indiana, Furman, East Tennessee State, Chattanooga, William & Mary, Arkansas State, Kansas City, St. Thomas, Omaha, Albany, UC-Riverside, Weber State, Idaho, Utah Valley, Stetson, Central Arkansas, Jacksonville State, Lipscomb, Liberty, Lamar, Abilene Christian, Grambling State, Coppin State.
Latest News: Walsh received an offer from Missouri State. (6/19/23)
Scouting Report: Walsh is a competitive guard and outstanding shooter. He has a quick release, deep range, and a lot of confidence in his shot. He moves well off the ball, too, and gets points at the basket off backdoor cuts and crafty finishing moves. He can create off the dribble, as well. His dad Kevin is the head coach at Vianney.
Walsh is a pure shooter. He will have high percentages in all categories.
When my daughter was in 7th grade, Luke was in 6th grade and they both participated in this free throw shooting competition that the Knights of Columbus run throughout the State of Missouri. I think it is for kids in 5th through 8th grades. They start at their school, then go to a district competition, then a regional competition, and then to the State finals in Columbia. Both Luke and my daughter made it to State that year. They ask for volunteers to shag the balls for kids as they take their shots. I was randomly assigned to help the 6th grade boys, so myself and another dad ended up collecting the basketballs when Luke was shooting. They get three warm up tosses and then take 25 shots. When it was his turn, he made all three warm-ups and then made 24 out of 25 of his official shots. So, basically, he made 27 out of 28 shots as a 6th grader with the pressure of competition and a championship on the line.
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For anyone who is still under the delusion that NIL is not purely pay for play, see above. If he was signed to a deal for his "Name, Image, and Likeness" what does that have to do with his eligibility to play this year. He still attends that school and will play next season. I remember arguing about unintended consequences with those who were worried about the rights of these poor kids who were being given room and board and a free college education for four years that this is exactly what would happen from NIL. I assume that we can all agree that this has turned college sports into a giant mess.