DeSmetBilliken Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I know the RFT angered SLU fans last year, but I was just looking over their Best of St. Louis feature that came out this week. There was a category for "Best High School Athlete." The winner was Kevin lisch of Althoff High School in Belleville. The runner-up was Tommie Liddell. http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2003...ml/1/index.html Also, our own Brad Soderberg got "Best Coach" honors from the RFT. http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2003...ml/1/index.html Frank Cusumano was named "Best Sports Broadcast Personality." http://www.riverfronttimes.com/issues/2003...ml/1/index.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentFLBilliken Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I think winning any award from the Riverfront Times is more like a curse. Any newspaper that is funded by sleazy personal ads and gay porn sites should probably not be taken seriously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 True, but one of their writers, Mike Seeley, has given us some nice write-ups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 The current issue of the RFT has 232 pages. Eight of them have ads for "porn sites" (most of them apparently heterosexual, although only their surgeons know for sure) and there is precisely one-half page of personal ads. (This proportion is probably lower, by the way, then that of the "respectable" sports page that routinely includes stuff like Larry Flynt's Gentleman's Club real close to the high-school sports roundup.) Conversely, there are about ten pages for $250,000 loft condos and a full-page ad for Wells Fargo Home Mortgage. And given the demographics, there's a good argument that our fine marketing department should be running a series of ads promoting Billiken season-ticket sales and continuing to promote the team throughout the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CentFLBilliken Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Things may have changed with that publication since the last time I read it (2-3 years ago). I remember it being just to the right of Stalin editorially and extremely sleazy. If it has changed, my apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 We (I wrote restaurants there 2-3 years ago) always prided ourselves on being somewhere to the *left* of Stalin . However, the days of pages and pages of personal ads have been gone since at least the early '90s, and the relative smut content vis-a-vis "respectable" advertising has been steadily reduced for a very long time. This is generally the case with all alternative newspapers, the vast majority of which are now part of nationwide chains. (Two of the RFT's sister papers are the alternatives south of you, in Miami and Broward, respectively.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 The RFT is still colored toilert paper, in this case with graphic descriptions, of prostitutions and drug use. If the descriptions were acted out on film it would have to rated X. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted September 26, 2003 Author Share Posted September 26, 2003 I still hate the RFT after reading that article trashing SLU last year. It it a trash paper. I was just looking to see how some of the best of St. Louis rankings went, and I came across the sports list. I was shocked to see any commendation to anything SLU-related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 Sorry, I meant to be trashing the Rft's and Bonwich's crediblity not yours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 I don't think you've done much to "trash my credibility." Explicitness doesn't equate to inaccuracy. If you have any doubt about the existence of the Grand Hotel, take a drive by sometime during daylight hours. Our friend from Central Florida claimed that the RFT was supported primarily by gay porn ads and personals; I provided pretty indisputable proof that he was talking through his hat. And as for my fellow excessively Jesuit-educated DeSmetBilliken, which article are you citing that "trashed SLU"? The one about Biondi being a control freak? The funniest part about all of this is that the two items that started it all, about Brad and the two recruits, were almost entirely positive about SLU. We must hope that the current curriculum at our beloved alma mater is doing a better job of "integrat(ing thought and action, values and facts, compassion and fulfillment." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 i would guess he is talking about the rft article last year that was ripping slu for not pursuing local recruits more. it had the potty quotes from some loser aau coach if i remember correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 to make his point. My calling the RFT free toilet tissue due to graffic sex, foul language, and offering pointers on where to buy crack and prostitutes stands on it's own merits. The RFT story seemed to point out the benefits of crack use. Maybe you think that is laudable. I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bonwich Posted September 26, 2003 Share Posted September 26, 2003 "The RFT story seemed to point out the benefits of crack use. Maybe you think that is laudable. I don't." From the second-to-last section of the story (and a photo was included): 'The morning before Peter embarked upon his binge, the body of a woman was discovered on the bed in Room 16 of the Grand Motel. She and a male companion, who had identified himself on a rental receipt as J. Brown of 3113 Hickory Avenue -- a fake address -- had rented the room from 7 p.m. until 4 a.m. The woman's black shirt was hiked up and a towel lay across her chest. She wore underpants, but not her jeans, which were found elsewhere in the room. The St. Louis Medical Examiner's Office has not yet determined the cause of death, but police suspect drugs played a role. Baxter Leisure, executive assistant to the chief medical examiner, says the woman "probably wasn't dead for that long" before her body was discovered. She has not been identified. Police describe the victim as black, in her forties, standing five-six, weighing 172 pounds and missing all her upper teeth.' Perhaps you feel that such a description points out "the benefits of crack use." I don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeSmetBilliken Posted September 27, 2003 Author Share Posted September 27, 2003 I was angered by the article that included the inappropriate remarks made by the AAU coach. He referred to Darren Clarke as "some (expletive) from Minnesota." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted September 27, 2003 Share Posted September 27, 2003 You know...You're right! That paragraph probably appeared in the story after my disgust outweighed my morbid curiousity Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Majerus Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 The RFT is part of our "free press." Bravo for personals and sex ads of any description. How else to get the word out to uptight America? Would the detractors rather have our attorney general as the editor in chief of America?:7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted September 29, 2003 Share Posted September 29, 2003 Better Ashcroft than (to steal a phrase) a long haired, maggot infested, dope smoking, FM type Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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