aj_arete Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Forgive me for starting a new Mizzou thread, but it's not like I've been the first. Was quite disturbed yesterday and still concerned. But here's a Seattle view of Quin. http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/spor...7_kelley10.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I don't know that billikens.com is gonna enjoy this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 this came out 1 hour before the Columbia news broke the story on what Clemons said, and besides, this is Quinny's home-town paper. File this one under fiction.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quality Is Job 1 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 The guy is a liar who believes he can get away with anything. Why are folks here so eager to accept him at face value? And before you suggest that his "statements" corroborate what Jessica Bunge said, just consider that Bunge really didn't know what was going on and that her story is influence by the things Clemons told her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 On the flip side, why were Mizzou and their fans so quick to intially think Ricky was credible when he said he didn't assault Bunge, only to turn around now and say he's not credible? Is it because at the time of the Bunge situation, Mizzou needed their point guard? Now, when he's no longer on the team, he's considered a liar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I don't think we ever necessarily considered him "credible." This is the same guy who said he saw a moose in alaska and had a dead mother. He's never been to alaska, and his mother is very much alive. In fact, he's a proven liar- look at the transcripts, he still claims he hasn't choked Bunge even though he plead guilty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taj79 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 ... everybody has benefactors, detractors, those you like, those who like you. Considering this is, as some said, from Quin's hometown, I would say its to be expected. I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in between the "Quin's a great guy" line and "Money, money everywhere." I do think its laughable that Ricky was not a liar when the whole Jessica Bunge thing broke and now he is. From all this, I think the guy has credibility problems and that alone might be the difference in all this. Do you believe him? Just him? And are you the NCAA? I'd say no because as others have noted, his credibility is certainly lacking ... but I still think the problem lies in what the Missus'es were saying and how that corroborates the story. Even if Mizzou gets out unscathed in general, and frankly at this point I think at most the stuff will be minor, there are huge problems in Boone County that will still need resolution long after this is gone. Can the crackers work for the power elite knowing this is how they're thought of? Interesting storyline will ring long and loud even once Ricky goes back to his old moose hunting ground and his mother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLURadioBoy Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 But why would Ricky lie to the wives about getting money from the coaches? Was he trying to impress them, like we was Jessica Bunge? I highly doubt it. He even said he didn't want to take the bball program down or the coaches because they stood by him, so he would keep quiet about it. Plus it's not like he knew the calls were being recorded, so what reason would he have to lie to them? Sorry, I'm not a Clemons fan by any means, but I believe him in this case. "Praises we sing, to you our alma mater, Praise to the white and blue. Our hymn shall ring, in tribute strong to you, We hail Saint Louis U." Official Billikens.com sponsor of Andrew Latimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 They have signs next to the phone regarding the phone calls being taped, and a recorded message takes place every few minutes to remind them. You don't think it'd be a question of rights to not inform people in jail that you record their phone calls? He knew he was being taped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 It looks as though Floyd, Mrs. Floyd (also on the payroll for some god-knows-what reason), Harvey, and Stewart need to go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLURadioBoy Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Alright MUFAN2000, I'll give ya that one. I wasn't aware that they had signs up or recordings that came on informing people that the conversations were taped. Of course, I also didn't realize that Ricky could read or understand words with more than one syllable either. I still believe him though. But let's face it, we both have biased opinions. "Praises we sing, to you our alma mater, Praise to the white and blue. Our hymn shall ring, in tribute strong to you, We hail Saint Louis U." Official Billikens.com sponsor of Andrew Latimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I agree. We're both gonna be biased, and this is gonna get nowhere. Personally, I think it's gonna be somewhere inbetween what I want and what you guys want, but I'm just hoping it's a little more towards my side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 >It looks as though Floyd, Mrs. Floyd (also on the payroll >for some god-knows-what reason), Harvey, and Stewart need to >go. How about Lane Odom? Quin gets off scott free. He's not accountable for the assistants he hires? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Why Lane Odom? there's no academic fraud in anyone's investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 >Why Lane Odom? there's no academic fraud in anyone's >investigation. What did Harvey do that was worse than Odom was alleged to have done - that is handing out money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I suppose you're correct. Take Harvey off of my list, unless anything comes out regarding the NCAA investigation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamontcranston Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 So get rid of all the blacks who are involved in this mess yet keep all the whites (Snyder,who started it and has been involved in questionable activity since he came to the program.Odom who is also an assissitant just like Harvey and is also accused of cash handouts.And Alden the AD who allowed all of this nefarious activity to take place.Sounds rather rascist to me.I guess we know where you're coming from. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 Wow. Did you read the transcripts? It's racist when I say they should be fired, but not racist when Amy Stewart refers to her husband calling Quin and Alden "cracker crackheads?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamontcranston Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 I tell you even for a Mizzou fan you are really out in left field, no you're completely out of the Ball Park.I did not mention her statements in my post,yes she did use a term "cracker" that at one time was a racial slur in the South, especially in the state of Georgia.But I believe I was responding to your post having racial overtones which it certainly did!!!!Go to class, get an education,learn something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACE Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 >I suppose you're correct. Take Harvey off of my list, unless >anything comes out regarding the NCAA investigation. I'm sure Mizzou is comforted by the fact that they can count on a lackey like you to defend them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 11, 2003 Share Posted December 11, 2003 how did it have racial overtones that you didn't place on it? I never mentioned race once. If they were white people and Quin and Alden were black, would you accuse me of racism? You're creating the issue, and if you were to ask anyone I know (steve for instance) they would assure you that I am in no way a racist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I don't even know what you mean by that. Good, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lamontcranston Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Awful touchy are we not,methinks I must have hit a nerve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFAN2000 Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 Apparently. I really hope you don't just fling around accusations of racism just to get a rise out of people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3star_recruit Posted December 12, 2003 Share Posted December 12, 2003 I think a few of us are curious why you want to get rid of the witnesses - Floyd, Stewart - instead of the perpetrators of the alleged crime - Snyder, Odom, Harvey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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