Old guy Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 The degree of luck involved in the fact that no one present at t he game was hit by a bullet or ricochet is huge, considering an audible level of firing that sounded like a corn popper in use. There was a sudden blast of fire and then very little. Maybe one of the contending groups achieved its purpose and stopped firing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 My wife was searching for news from Philadelphia to see if she could find local news about this event. What she found was someone talking about Temple University reporting a significant burst of gunfire next to their campus which forced the evacuation of players an all other people present in one of their sports playing fields. No injuries or casualties were reported by Temple U. Interesting, LaSalle may have arrangements with Temple for using some of Temple's playing fields for holding their sports events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lord Elrond Posted September 28 Share Posted September 28 (edited) In looking at a map of that area, any shots that weren’t stopped by hitting the bleachers would have been headed directly towards a residential area. This could have been so much worse. Edit: I went to the LaSalle website, they have nothing posted about this, just the box score and that’s it. A10 is also silent on it. Edited September 28 by Lord Elrond Additional information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Do a google earth search on the area. How were the shots fired from the KFC parking lot? 4 lanes of traffic, a huge parking lot, a Mcdonalds are all in between the KFC and the Temple Field. Hard to believe they were shot from over there unless the shooter was on the roof of the KFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted September 29 Author Share Posted September 29 8 minutes ago, thetorch said: Do a google earth search on the area. How were the shots fired from the KFC parking lot? 4 lanes of traffic, a huge parking lot, a Mcdonalds are all in between the KFC and the Temple Field. Hard to believe they were shot from over there unless the shooter was on the roof of the KFC. Are you saying you believe that the shooter was closer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 11 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Are you saying you believe that the shooter was closer? Almost certainly was. What were they shooting at? Bullets had to go through 4 lanes of busy traffic, a busy parking lot, another 2 lanes of traffic and another parking lot to get to the field. Its possible but unlikely. Long way for stray bullets to travel in a crowded urban area. Players clearly heard lots of loud shots, again over heavy traffic, multiple buildings in the way. Seems unlikely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted September 29 Author Share Posted September 29 11 minutes ago, thetorch said: Almost certainly was. What were they shooting at? Bullets had to go through 4 lanes of busy traffic, a busy parking lot, another 2 lanes of traffic and another parking lot to get to the field. Its possible but unlikely. Long way for stray bullets to travel in a crowded urban area. Players clearly heard lots of loud shots, again over heavy traffic, multiple buildings in the way. Seems unlikely. Thanks. I do believe the shooter moved closer to the field. The second burst was noticeably louder in the second video. Only thing I saw was "Officials say a man wearing a black hoodie was firing a weapon in the Kentucky Fried Chicken parking lot, but fled the scene before police arrived." which makes it sounds like some dude firing off random rounds. I really don't know where he was located, but I know that I can hear bullets whizzing by and pinging off metal. iPhone microphones are good but those shots sounded feet away if not closer. I do find it odd that every report seems to do it's best to make it sound further away than it was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 Everyone seems determined to sweep this under the rug. LaSalle finally put out a summary of the game, all they said was the game was ended early, no explaination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old guy Posted September 29 Share Posted September 29 There is a vast difference between effective range and total range of a pistol cartridge. The most common cartridge in use is 9 mm, which is used by the US Army, NATO and countless police departments and by civilians, including those engaged in criminal activities. The maximum effective range is how far you can hit and incapacitate or kill your target, for a 9mm gun this is between 50 yards, and for highly trained people it can go up to 100 yards (football field size). The training is required to hit your target, it does not mean the bullet cannot hit and kill someone you are not aiming at. However effective range is not the full reach of the 9mm cartridge which can reach up 2400 yards. This does not mean it can kill up to 2400 yards away, but certainly some 9 mm cartridges can kill innocent people up to maximum range of 133 yards. The capacity to do this requires a target hit at or above 260 ft/lb. Beyond that distance, the impact of a 9 mm bullet may cause wounds until the bullet becomes "spent" and gradually loses its capacity to penetrate clothing and skin. This is applicable to 9 mm pistols folks, not to rifle ammo. The bullets shot at the KFC could certainly have reached the Temple U playing field. Try this for information https://www.ammoman.com/blog/9mm-effective-range/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted September 29 Author Share Posted September 29 https://unewsonline.com/2024/09/shots-fired-at-slu-field-hockey-match-no-players-or-fans-harmed/ UNews article on the shooting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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OkieBilliken Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 16 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: Nice statement. But not to be a jerk, but why are they okay with claiming a 1-0 victory in a game that they were hosting that was significantly shortened by a mass shooter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 Just now, OkieBilliken said: Nice statement. But not to be a jerk, but why are they okay with claiming a 1-0 victory in a game that they were hosting that was significantly shortened by a mass shooter? It's an odd statement. Because it feels like it's directed at La Salle Athletics and University administration as much as it's about gun violence and gun laws. It feels like La Salle Field Hockey went out on their own to draft this statement. But yes, if the statement is made toward La Salle then it feels like they are talking out of both sides of their mouth. They are okay with taking the win, but also we went through a tragedy/traumatic event. Certainly the former is true and should be given proper coverage. OkieBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 I had read (the day after the incident) that the NCAA considers a game complete if at least 48 minutes have been played. Not sure how much time was left in the game in question, but they play 15 minute quarters. Wanted to see if there's a box score of the game, but the AD's website seems to be down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 9 minutes ago, White Pelican said: I had read (the day after the incident) that the NCAA considers a game complete if at least 48 minutes have been played. Not sure how much time was left in the game in question, but they play 15 minute quarters. Wanted to see if there's a box score of the game, but the AD's website seems to be down. There was 10 minutes and change left. So yeah by that NCAA rule, it's correct. It feels like dirty pool to claim that win given the events that caused the abandonment, especially when it could be argued that they failed to provide a safe facility for play. At the end of the day in the grand scheme the result doesn't matter other than everyone escaped with their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 Here's the box score from Lasalle. Can someone explain it? This is showing 2 overtimes and 110 minutes for one goalkeeper and only 95 for the other. Can someone explain this please? I know absolutely nothing about field hockey. https://goexplorers.com/field-hockey/2024/boxscore/vs-saint-louis-university/11603/pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 1 minute ago, White Pelican said: Here's the box score from Lasalle. Can someone explain it? This is showing 2 overtimes and 110 minutes for one goalkeeper and only 95 for the other. Can someone explain this please? I know absolutely nothing about field hockey. https://goexplorers.com/field-hockey/2024/boxscore/vs-saint-louis-university/11603/pdf That is so weird. I am almost certain this game did not go to OT. OkieBilliken likes this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 The Bill's website is down or I'd look there. Yeah, it shows 2 halves and then 2 ot's. It almost looks like a template for a soccer box score. Edit: looking at my phone, the box score is the same on the Bill's website. I don't understand how the timing works. I read that they normally play four 15 minute quarters but I don't get where the triple digit times come in. As I said, I know next to nothing about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 3 minutes ago, White Pelican said: The Bill's website is down or I'd look there. Yeah, it shows 2 halves and then 2 ot's. It almost looks like a template for a soccer box score. The website is up for me. The game started at 2pm CT. I picked up the game live late in the first half. Looking back at my recent calls, I dialed out at 3:28pm to tell someone what I just saw. There is no freakin' way that game made it to OT in less than 90 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 (edited) The site is working on my phone but not on my laptop. Never had this problem before. University (school) site itself works though. EDIT: The Bill's box score is identical. I don't understand how they keep time I guess. I thought they played four 15 minute quarters but I'm seeing 110 minutes and change on the box score. Edited October 4 by White Pelican More info Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OkieBilliken Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 That game DID NOT go into overtime. It was shortened. That is the most bizarre boxscore I have ever read. Maybe they kept the clock running when everyone was running for their lives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Pelican Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 2 minutes ago, OkieBilliken said: That game DID NOT go into overtime. It was shortened. That is the most bizarre boxscore I have ever read. Maybe they kept the clock running when everyone was running for their lives. I just looked at a SLU home game result. The box score shows 4 quarters, nothing about OT. Is Lasalle so cheap they used a soccer box score? That's what it looks like to me. But I can't explain the weird timings either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Elrond Posted October 4 Share Posted October 4 42 minutes ago, billikenfan05 said: It's an odd statement. Because it feels like it's directed at La Salle Athletics and University administration as much as it's about gun violence and gun laws. It feels like La Salle Field Hockey went out on their own to draft this statement. But yes, if the statement is made toward La Salle then it feels like they are talking out of both sides of their mouth. They are okay with taking the win, but also we went through a tragedy/traumatic event. Certainly the former is true and should be given proper coverage. I think that’s right, it sure felt to me that LaSalle administration wanted to just sweep this under the rug, and the team didn’t like that and were calling their university out. Personally I care more that no one was injured than I do about who won the game. I certainly don’t care enough about the outcome of the game to send our team back there. Looking at the schedule, LaSalle is on the road to Richmond and Longwood this weekend. HOWEVER, at this time, their next home game is scheduled for next week at Temple’s stadium, the same shooting range of last week’s game, as are all their remaining home games. It could be they are just trying to get the location changed. I don’t understand why the LaSalle AD hasn’t found another field to play the rest of the season on, that seems like a minimum response to this. I cannot imagine sending the team back there, talk about sending a message that you don’t care about your student athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted October 4 Author Share Posted October 4 18 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said: I think that’s right, it sure felt to me that LaSalle administration wanted to just sweep this under the rug, and the team didn’t like that and were calling their university out. Personally I care more that no one was injured than I do about who won the game. I certainly don’t care enough about the outcome of the game to send our team back there. Looking at the schedule, LaSalle is on the road to Richmond and Longwood this weekend. HOWEVER, at this time, their next home game is scheduled for next week at Temple’s stadium, the same shooting range of last week’s game, as are all their remaining home games. It could be they are just trying to get the location changed. I don’t understand why the LaSalle AD hasn’t found another field to play the rest of the season on, that seems like a minimum response to this. I cannot imagine sending the team back there, talk about sending a message that you don’t care about your student athletes. This could be a signal that they don’t believe that La Salle is looking to move venues. But that’s purely speculation. I can’t believe Temple played there the next day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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