RUBillsFan Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 There is more money at the top...I think there is a shot at him coming back and trying for a lot more money. The other side of the coin is that if he gets called up to the Cubs, he will have his Octobers free. You may be right. Norwood has the velocity, but is generall described as "raw" and lacking a quality breaking pitch in most of the write ups I have seen. If he comes back and shows improvement with a breaking pitch, he could probably fly up the draft board. That being said, it is tough to turn down money and a shot at your dream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 You may be right. Norwood has the velocity, but is generall described as "raw" and lacking a quality breaking pitch in most of the write ups I have seen. If he comes back and shows improvement with a breaking pitch, he could probably fly up the draft board. That being said, it is tough to turn down money and a shot at your dream. The breaking pitch is the difference in a lot of cases between starter money and bullpen money. I've seen pretty much the same things you have...raw with a good fastball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 There are always exceptions, as we know. Michael Wacha didn't have much of a breaking ball when he was drafted either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 There are always exceptions, as we know. Michael Wacha didn't have much of a breaking ball when he was drafted either. But Wacha had an off the charts change-up. His breaking ball is still a work in progress. Plenty of players pass up the money and come back to college every year. The downside is as a Sr next year he wouldn't have any leverage in regards to signing. Law and many others had Norwood higher but he didn't look nearly as good towards the end of the year and that probably hurt his stock. There were scouts at the A10 game he pitched and got rocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted June 6, 2014 Share Posted June 6, 2014 But Wacha had an off the charts change-up. His breaking ball is still a work in progress. Plenty of players pass up the money and come back to college every year. The downside is as a Sr next year he wouldn't have any leverage in regards to signing. Law and many others had Norwood higher but he didn't look nearly as good towards the end of the year and that probably hurt his stock. There were scouts at the A10 game he pitched and got rocked. I agree on your last point. He would be betting on himself not wearing down (fighting injury?) next year with no safety net for leverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted June 7, 2014 Share Posted June 7, 2014 Hendrickson interviewed for the Tulane job today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyRican Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I believe they hired someone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JettFlight5 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I believe they hired someone else. Tulane hired the coach from Sam Houston State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MB73 Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 If Norwood has pro velocity, which is the key, and can get $ 201K, he probably should sign, now. Otherwise he loses so much opportunity to learn and grow. He will be surrounded by professional coaching and get superior experience NOW, this summer, and then all year around including next spring in a warm weather professional setting as opposed to waiting in the cold weather SL area for next season in the A10. Sure, $ 201K isn't lifetime permanent wealth, but it is a nice chunk of change and signing gets him in line quicker to make big bucks in the pros with all the delays and arbitration policies these days, etc., IF he performs. AND it is outstanding that Coach Darin continues to recruit and develop the caliber of talent that gets drafted. Good job! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 If Norwood has pro velocity, which is the key, and can get $ 201K, he probably should sign, now. Otherwise he loses so much opportunity to learn and grow. He will be surrounded by professional coaching and get superior experience NOW, this summer, and then all year around including next spring in a warm weather professional setting as opposed to waiting in the cold weather SL area for next season in the A10. Sure, $ 201K isn't lifetime permanent wealth, but it is a nice chunk of change and signing gets him in line quicker to make big bucks in the pros with all the delays and arbitration policies these days, etc., IF he performs. AND it is outstanding that Coach Darin continues to recruit and develop the caliber of talent that gets drafted. Good job! I'd say unless he truly believes he can significantly improve his stock he should sign. However, there are players every year who pass up the money and make more the next year. Norwood's problem is he'll be a Sr so even if he moved up to say the 5th round, he won't have leverage and may not make more than he's making as a 7th rd pick this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 I hope the Cubs trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted June 9, 2014 Share Posted June 9, 2014 Checking in on the twitter pages for Norwood and Sole it seems pretty inevitable that both are going to sign. You would think these kids would be smart enough or have advisers that would tell them not to post things like that because it takes away leverage. Then again, I think despite MLB policy a lot of these deals are worked out before the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 Checking in on the twitter pages for Norwood and Sole it seems pretty inevitable that both are going to sign. You would think these kids would be smart enough or have advisers that would tell them not to post things like that because it takes away leverage. Then again, I think despite MLB policy a lot of these deals are worked out before the draft. MLB changes the rules. Each pick has an assigned value and each team essentially has a soft cap on what they can give out on contracts for players selected in the first ten rounds. After the first ten rounds if you give a draftee a bonus of over 100,000 it counts toward your cap allotment. This has eliminated much of the need for negotiation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUBillsFan Posted June 10, 2014 Share Posted June 10, 2014 MLB changes the rules. Each pick has an assigned value and each team essentially has a soft cap on what they can give out on contracts for players selected in the first ten rounds. After the first ten rounds if you give a draftee a bonus of over 100,000 it counts toward your cap allotment. This has eliminated much of the need for negotiation. Each pick has value for the 1st 10 rounds and it all adds up to the team's overall pool that they can spend. Meaning if a team gets say a 3rd rounder to sign for less, then they can splurge on a 6th rounder. Basically it is as important as ever for teams to violate the MLB "policy" of not negotiating before the draft. Teams need to know how much it is going to take to sign a certain player so that they can draft accordingly and stay within their pool allotment to avoid penalties. It would not surprise me at all if Norwood already had a deal on the table with the Cubs going into the draft and when he was still available they looked at their other draftees and figured out they had enough money to make their deal with Norwood. For certain teams and certain picks, there may not be much negotiating because just go with the MLB slot. However, smart teams like the Cardinals use their overall pool to try to game the system by saving on certain picks and splurging on others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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