Food For thought...Better Career

[BillyKen]

Who will be the better foreign born center in Billiken history?

ROB LOE OR IAN VOUYOUKAS??

Ian Vouyoukas' Career Stats:

Career Stats

YR G/S MIN/AVG FG/A PCT 3FG/A PCT FT/A PCT O/DR R/AVG PF/D A TO BS ST TP/AVG

03-04 21/7 220/10.5 18/46 .391 0/0 -- 10/13 .769 15/21 36/1.7 24/0 4 13 3 3 46/2.2

04-05 27/17 652/24.1 68/131 .519 0/0 -- 51/93 .548 48/97 145/5.4 72/1 22 32 20 11 187/6.9

05-06 29/29 934/32.2 136/248 .548 0/5 .000 132/182 .725 81/134 215/7.4 76/2 48 78 55 16 404/13.9

06-07 33/32 939/28.5 154/298 .517 5/23 .217 96/160 .600 66/178 244/7.4 101/1 49 81 57 9 409/12.4

Total 110/85 2745/25.0 376/723 .520 5/28 .179 289/448 .645 210/430 640/5.8 273/4 123 204 135* 39 1046/9.5

http://www.slubillikens.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/vouyoukas_ian00.html

To breakdown that chart:

MIN PTS REB Blocks (total)

FR 7 2.2 1.7 3

SO 17 6.9 5.4 20

JR 32.2 13.9 7.4 55

SR 28.5 12.4 7.4 57

Honestly, I would have to say that Ian will end up the better Billiken. I think Rob might have better total numbers when all is said and done, but Ian had a strong Jr. and Sr. year, even though we all expected even more out of the Big Greek. Ian was also the only reliable big we had for quite some time. He didn't have the talent around him that Rob will have. I don't know if the scoring will be there for RL but hopefully he can put up solid rebounding numbers.

I would have to give the edge to Ian, but I hope I am wrong!

[Billikenbooster]

Who will be the better foreign born center in Billiken history?

ROB LOE OR IAN VOUYOUKAS??

Ian Vouyoukas' Career Stats:

Career Stats

YR G/S MIN/AVG FG/A PCT 3FG/A PCT FT/A PCT O/DR R/AVG PF/D A TO BS ST TP/AVG

03-04 21/7 220/10.5 18/46 .391 0/0 -- 10/13 .769 15/21 36/1.7 24/0 4 13 3 3 46/2.2

04-05 27/17 652/24.1 68/131 .519 0/0 -- 51/93 .548 48/97 145/5.4 72/1 22 32 20 11 187/6.9

05-06 29/29 934/32.2 136/248 .548 0/5 .000 132/182 .725 81/134 215/7.4 76/2 48 78 55 16 404/13.9

06-07 33/32 939/28.5 154/298 .517 5/23 .217 96/160 .600 66/178 244/7.4 101/1 49 81 57 9 409/12.4

Total 110/85 2745/25.0 376/723 .520 5/28 .179 289/448 .645 210/430 640/5.8 273/4 123 204 135* 39 1046/9.5

http://www.slubillikens.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/vouyoukas_ian00.html

To breakdown that chart:

MIN PTS REB Blocks (total)

FR 7 2.2 1.7 3

SO 17 6.9 5.4 20

JR 32.2 13.9 7.4 55

SR 28.5 12.4 7.4 57

Honestly, I would have to say that Ian will end up the better Billiken. I think Rob might have better total numbers when all is said and done, but Ian had a strong Jr. and Sr. year, even though we all expected even more out of the Big Greek. Ian was also the only reliable big we had for quite some time. He didn't have the talent around him that Rob will have. I don't know if the scoring will be there for RL but hopefully he can put up solid rebounding numbers.

I would have to give the edge to Ian, but I hope I am wrong!

I thought IV did not do as well his senior year as he did his jr year, even more than the 1 ppg in his average shown above. He progressed tremendously between his 2nd and 3rd year for the Bills, mainly due to his work with the Greek team.

mhg

[bauman]

I thought IV did not do as well his senior year as he did his jr year, even more than the 1 ppg in his average shown above. He progressed tremendously between his 2nd and 3rd year for the Bills, mainly due to his work with the Greek team.

mhg

If RL isn't better than IV then I will be real disappointed.

[brianstl]

If RL isn't better than IV then I will be real disappointed.

I don't think people really appreciate how good IV was. If Loe has the same kind of career IV did, I will be happy.

[moytoy12]

I don't think people really appreciate how good IV was. If Loe has the same kind of career IV did, I will be happy.

When IV was on, he was great. But I think RL has a chance to be more impactful in his first 2 years, and thus, have a better overall career at SLU.

[brianstl]

When IV was on, he was great. But I think RL has a chance to be more impactful in his first 2 years, and thus, have a better overall career at SLU.

Good point about the first two years.

[DeSmetBilliken]

I went with Loe on this one. As already mentioned, IV was great his junior year, then declined a bit his senior year, though he still had his moments of greatness as a senior. He missed the first 10 games as a freshman since he had played with or against some pros, same as Izik Ohanon. By the time he arrived as a freshman, he wasn't a huge contributor, though I don't remember him being a huge liability either. He got more PT as a sophomore due to Tom Frericks missing time due to injuries, and again I don't recall him being a huge liability, and averaging almost 7 ppg showed that he did contribute something on offense.

Still, I'm expecting Loe to contribute something close to what Cody Ellis did last season. Maybe those expectations are too high, in part because Loe might have more talent in front of him than Cody did last year at his position. As a previous post mentioned, I think it should be expected that Loe will make more of an impact as a freshman and as a sophomore than IV. While I haven't seen Loe play, save for his appearance in that Hoop Summit game in April and a couple short highlights, the things I've heard and read have lead me to think that Loe has the greater overall package of skills than IV, and that's not supposed to be a knock on IV. Ian could shoot from outside and drive to the hoop, but it was a complementary part of his game. Things I've read about Loe make me think that the outside shooting and driving ability are more than a complementary part of his game.

[thetorch]

Ian was a very nice player. His first year was wasted really. By the end of his second season he was dominating on the offensive end. His Jr year was a continuation of this. We get confused about his sr season. He improved in leaps and bounds on the defensive end. He was a presence there as a senior whereas earlier in his career his seat on the bench worked as hard on that end. He did expand his offensive repertoire in his senior season, unfortunately to the detriment of his game. He spent more time on the perimeter after getting tired of working for the ball down low and not receiving it or getting hacked by double and triple teams. His main issue his senior year was FT shooting. He was previously a good FT shooter, very good for a big man, his sr season he became bad and he didn't get to the line nearly as often either. If he gets to the line and makes it there at his JR clip he averages over 15 ppg in his senior season. Still with his vast improvement on the defensive end he at least was as good if not better a player his sr year.

I hope Loe is better. He can shoot much better from outside. He's bigger and probably more athletic than IV. I doubt he will ever have the inside polish that IV had. Ian was mostly finesse inside. Never became a great rebounder, especially on the offensive end. I think Loe should be able to better him in those respects.

[bsheldon]

Am I the only one that thinks this is a bit premature? We haven't seen a single minute of playing time from RL yet and we are specutlating on his career as a Billiken?

OK, fine. I'll play.

I have to admit that IV's years are the ones that I didn't follow nearly as close as several years before that time and then again here in the last 3, but I did always catch the box scores in the paper and I tried to make a game every now and then. I think I only saw him play once or twice. Now with all of that said, I think it is tough to compare the two. From what I remember IV was basically it for us back then. He was our main offensive weapon. RL, even it great, in his first two years isn't going to be our primary scorer--probably not even 3rd on the list. He will hopefully only be asked to chip in 6-8 a game and hit a few big shot now and then. Again, this is hopeful speculation. The point is, RL's surrounding cast is superior, hopefully it will still be that way in 3-4 years. I have a feeling he is going to be real good right away and be fantastic in his jr and sr years. As an overall player I would bet that RL will be looked upon as being better. However, will he mean more to the team than IV? It would be tough to mean more to the club than IV did during his tenure. So, to answer the question--I vote for RL.

[Clock_Tower]

Am I the only one that thinks this is a bit premature? We haven't seen a single minute of playing time from RL yet and we are specutlating on his career as a Billiken?

OK, fine. I'll play.

I have to admit that IV's years are the ones that I didn't follow nearly as close as several years before that time and then again here in the last 3, but I did always catch the box scores in the paper and I tried to make a game every now and then. I think I only saw him play once or twice. Now with all of that said, I think it is tough to compare the two. From what I remember IV was basically it for us back then. He was our main offensive weapon. RL, even it great, in his first two years isn't going to be our primary scorer--probably not even 3rd on the list. He will hopefully only be asked to chip in 6-8 a game and hit a few big shot now and then. Again, this is hopeful speculation. The point is, RL's surrounding cast is superior, hopefully it will still be that way in 3-4 years. I have a feeling he is going to be real good right away and be fantastic in his jr and sr years. As an overall player I would bet that RL will be looked upon as being better. However, will he mean more to the team than IV? It would be tough to mean more to the club than IV did during his tenure. So, to answer the question--I vote for RL.

If expectations play a factor (and that is really all that we can consider since RL has not played a minute of college ball), then RL is coming in a the top player from NZ with an international reputation and resume whereas IV can to SLU with no fanfare, hype, no resume and no real reputation or expectations. After IV's first year, IV was considered a major project, many of us wondered why we wasted a scholarship on him... Yes, he had good hands and some footwork, but he also wasn't very good. IV completely turned things around his JR year. Hard to complain with his effort/production his JR year. I sure hope and expect RL to produce prior to his JR year. Sounds like RL will get alot of playing time/experience.