Eddie_Gaedel Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Yeah, maybe I should get out more. As a season ticket holder I would always make a couple of away games every year like DePaul, Louisville, Memphis, etc. But, they are no longer in our conference. However, I am not going to act like a freaking snob and think I'm too good for the MVC. By the way, who in the hell is our rival? Of course you're going to say we don't need one. Ah well. Maybe in the A10 we can be more competitive than we would be in any other conference. Let's beat them Fordham Rams next time, ok boys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 eddie, why do you refuse to believe that xavier and dayton cant be rivals? for that matter, why not charlotte? why not st joes or temple? you throw fordham out there as an extreme example, but i can say the same about evansville or northern iowa. who cares about them? sure because we play regularly siu and missouri state have rival possibilities, but why not dayton and xavier? and as much as you call us snobs for not wanting to be in the mvc, i am just as boggled that you cannot see the advantages to the university to be in the east coast based a-10. you do realize that there are far far more jesuit based high schools in new york, philly, etc than in carbondale and wichita? and those high schools are pushing jesuit colleges. the more we are visiable in those cities where those schools are at the more those kids will come to slu. also, outside of the st louis metro area, i believe that ohio sends more kids to slu than any other geographic area. far more went into the decision than basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Rich Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Xavier. If we keep punking them they'll hate us enough to be a rival. I'll take Cincy over whatever god forsaken hell hole of a city that Northern Iowa is located in. I'll take Philly over Wichita, New York over Evansville, DC over Peoria, Dayton over Omaha, Olean over Carbondale, etc..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtside Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 >Yeah, maybe I should get out more. As a season ticket >holder I would always make a couple of away games every year >like DePaul, Louisville, Memphis, etc. But, they are no >longer in our conference. However, I am not going to act >like a freaking snob and think I'm too good for the MVC. By >the way, who in the hell is our rival? Of course you're >going to say we don't need one. Ah well. > >Maybe in the A10 we can be more competitive than we would be >in any other conference. > >Let's beat them Fordham Rams next time, ok boys? It takes time to build rivals oh impatient one. Do you really think any of your above exampled teams considered SLU a rival when they joined the same conference? Rivalries are built with competitive play. How many times does one need to say it to you. Since you are the well traveled SLU fan, you should know a thing or two about the new conference opponents or at least be willing to learn. Do you think Pittsburgh, Syracuse, UConn, Georgetown etc...considered Marquette a rival when they joined the Big East??? Do you think they do now? or at the very least are starting to? You bet your butt. Why? Competitive play. And, SLU even has Xavier, Dayton and some familar opponents you seem to like. There are some wonderful road trips for you Eddie. Maybe you don't like Fordham...probably not enough for you to do in NYC. It isn't being a snob. Why don't you go back a few pages and read recent threads before posting? I am sure you are too busy. Nobody thinks SLU is too good for the MVC. Just because SLU doesn't want to join that league, the uninformed think SLU is too good for that league. It is a good league. It also isn't a good fit for SLU. How is that being too good for the league? It's not. The reason why Louisville, Memphis etc...had rivals is because they were good teams. Do you really see the following schools as more of a potential rival than the ones you just mentioned. I sure don't. Evansville Drake Illinois St MO St SIU Indiana St N, Iowa Creighton Wichita St. Bradley Those schools aren't going to draw the casual fan to a game at SLU. It never has before. The majority of people aren't especially more interested in seeing these schools. Why, because many have been scheduled and haven't drawn the fans. I do know SLU has drawn a lot more fans vs some of those other teams. The people spoke by not coming to those MVC games. And we walked through all of the other reasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 That's why we need to develop a winning program, so that we'll have a little more leverage the next time there is a conference shake-up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 I think the conference you both described would be ideal for us and would probably result in more stability for everyone involved. I have a problem with Oral Roberts for some reason. Probably because it's named after a televangelist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Box and Won Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 I'd take Omaha over Dayton, but that's it. The Box & Won clan is from Omaha, and it's actually pretty nice. Dayton, on the other hand...not so nice. I have a cousin at Creighton right now, keeping our little Jesuit college family tradition (SLU, Xavier, Loyola and Creighton) alive. Anyway, while I see us developing a great rivalry with Xavier, we'll never be THE rival to them - we'll always be behind Dayton and UC (and maybe even Miami). We unfortunately do not have an archrival. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Courtside the MVC fans only see it from thier side. If you say anything negative about the conference you hate thier conference. When you even say positives things about there conference you are a hater. I had Valley fan get pissed off when I told him that in many sports SLU could not be competive for a very long time in the Valley so for those sports the A-10 made perfect sense. The guy flew off the handle and said i wa putting the Valley dowm. Go figure. Also, the Valley fans see the rivalry thing only from the Valley side. SLU would give those fans a home game to look forward to. It would be the lets go show those upitty city slickers how to play basketball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianstl Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I never forget him crying in that tower telling people if he didn't raise so much money that he was going to die. Jesus told him that he said. He didn't raise the money in time, but Jesus decided to spare him any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I believe that Cincy, Louisville, and USF all joined the Big East for the football probably even more than the basketball. Remember this year the Cardinals played in a lucrative BCS bowl game. Of course that is not true of Marquette and DePaul but they would also share in the bowl game money just as any other BE conference team would. The BE played some darn good and competitive football this year so one cannot discount it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLfan Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I have thought about this from time to time and have come up with a couple of different options. I would take any of these three over our current situation. OPTION 1 If the Big East breaks up. Marquette DePaul Xavier Dayton Saint Louis Creighton Notre Dame Bradley RPI as of Wednesday, January 24, 2007 Marquette - 24 Bradley – 34 Creighton – 35 Xavier – 49 Notre Dame - 50 DePaul – 64 Dayton – 73 Saint Louis - 101 2006 Attendance Marquette – 13,998 Creighton – 13,900 Dayton – 12,422 DePaul – 9,897 Xavier – 9,774 Notre Dame – 9,404 Saint Louis – 9,325 Bradley – 9,220 States Wisconsin Illinois Ohio Indiana Missouri Nebraska Media Markets Chicago Cincinnati Saint Louis Milwaukee Omaha Dayton Peoria South Bend OPTION 2 Join the MVC along with Xavier. Bradley Creighton Evansville Drake Illinois State Indiana State Missouri State Northern Iowa Saint Louis Southern Illinois Wichita State Xavier EAST Bradley Evansville Illinois State Indiana State Southern Illinois Xavier WEST Creighton Drake Missouri State Northern Iowa Saint Louis Wichita State 2006 Attendance Creighton – 13,900 Wichita State – 10,435 Xavier – 9,774 Saint Louis – 9,325 Bradley – 9,220 Southern Illinois – 7,291 Missouri St. – 6,965 Northern Iowa – 6,898 Evansville – 6,025 Illinois St. – 5,409 Indiana St. – 4,278 Drake – 4,267 Current RPI as of 1/24/2007 Southern Illinois – 10 Bradley – 34 Creighton – 35 Missouri State – 40 Northern Iowa – 47 Xavier – 49 Wichita St. – 60 Evansville – 80 Indiana St. – 95 Saint Louis - 101 Drake – 118 Illinois St. – 125 OPTION 3 A modified A10 or new conference with these teams. Xavier Dayton Saint Louis Charlotte UMass Temple Richmond Rhode Island George Washington St. Joseph’s Butler Wright State EAST George Washington Rhode Island Richmond St. Joseph’s Temple UMass WEST Butler Charlotte Dayton Saint Louis Wright State Xavier 2006 Attendance Dayton – 12,422 – Wes t Xavier – 9,774 – West St. Louis – 9,325 – West Charlotte – 6,641 – West Temple – 5,725 – East Wright St. – 5,045 – West UMass – 4,903 – East Rhode Island – 4,759 – East Richmond – 4,748 – East St. Joseph’s – 4,422 – East George Washington – 3,811 – East Butler – 3,760 – West RPI as of Wednesday, January 24 Butler – 20 – West Xavier – 49 – West George Washington – 68 – East UMass – 69 – East Dayton – 73 – West St. Joseph’s – 99 – East Saint Louis – 101 – West Wright St. – 126 – West Charlotte – 127 – West Rhode Island – 131 – East Temple – 148 – East Richmond – 281 – East Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
courtside Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 >I believe that Cincy, Louisville, and USF all joined the Big >East for the football probably even more than the >basketball. Remember this year the Cardinals played in a >lucrative BCS bowl game. Of course that is not true of >Marquette and DePaul but they would also share in the bowl >game money just as any other BE conference team would. The >BE played some darn good and competitive football this year >so one cannot discount it. Actually Schasz no, the basketball only schools in Big East do not get any football money. The 8 football schools get it all, and unlike other football conferences, instead of equal shares, they give the money in tiers based on your league performance that year....so if you finish a little higher, you get a little more. The other BCS conferences split equally. West Virginia pounded Georgia last year as well in BCS game in Georgia. South Florida is on the rise on football as well. People balked at Big East being successful with 16 team conference for hoops. Well...first 8 teams made the NCAA's...nobody thought that would ever happen. Blew it open immediately and set new precedent for league bids. Advavantage Big East. Half of those schools getting bids were hoops only schools, suggesting, their value to diversify the league to non-football schools. Advantage Big East. The Big East signed a $30 million dollar annual deal with ESPN for football and basketball in which nearly all of its basketball games are televised on an ESPN affiliate(the rest are on CBS). Only the ACC can say the same in dollar value and huge exposure. Advantage Big East. Here is where the success of the Big East helps A10, MVC, and other non-football leagues...it shows that a basketball league can be very successful with a lot of non-football schools...get that huge ESPN/CBS money...and exposure...etc...because no hoops only league out there has that. People should hope for the success of the Big East and not its downfall because it elevates the status of basketball only schools. It shows that a high powered conference doesn't have to rely on its football revenues. It helps everyone in the league, and also helps basketball only schools. There will always be a bottom to any league, and pressure on coaches with decent teams at the bottom, but Big East is looking pretty good for now. It will go to an 18 game conference schedule next year up from 16 so everyone can play everyone else at least once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Gee that not sharing in the football money is something I did not realize and kind of F'd up for the basketball only schools, but hey, I guess they signed off on it so no surprises for them. You do not have to tell me about USF and their football team...they get plenty of exposure down here in Tampa. I wonder about Leavitt every time a big job opens, but he seems pretty content trying to build them into a football power and don't kid yourself they may not be too far off. I think they seem to be getting some solid commitments for the Feb. signing period...they have a pretty damn good Frosh QB so they are set at that position for 3 more years. I can see the day and soon when a ticket to a USF game will be a valuable ducat. Their basketball HC has that team playing more competitive ball. Would anyone believe that USF has as many wins in the tougher BE than the Bills have in the weaker A10. They still have a way to go but I seem to remember one of their earlier wins was over Wake Forest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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