MusicCityBilliken
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Belmont was mentioned. I live in Nashville. They have a small gym, similar to a LaSalle or GW, and only draw about 2000/g. Yea the school is in Nashville but that's about it. Vandy sucks up all the basketball oxygen in Nashville. Bradley more than doubles that attendance and as I said, has a far better basketball heritage. BTW Bradley NET today is 71 (which would be 1st in the A10), Belmont is 127. Another ho-hum middle of the pack A10 school. On a personal observation, for Bradley home and away games, people will know who we are playing and get into it. You play Belmont, most people attending either home game will not even know where either school is. I get tired of folks asking me where I went school here, I say Saint Louis and they say oh, you went to Wash U.
Would be good for me, sure. Only have to drive about 30 minutes away for a game with no problem getting a seat. I just want what's best for SLU!
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36 minutes ago, wgstl said:
Why? They are still going to add at least one more team, while we haven't done a lot as far as success over the last year or 2, neither had UD - one of the teams we're competing against to get in.
Until Peoria hits 500k, I'm ok. Th biggest driver for an expansion team are two things, #1 TV market, #2 recent success. While #1 is a lost cause, #2 they are still trailing too far, but not terrible. average ranking of #121 over the last 5 years.
Regarding Big East, the New Big East was establish end of 2012 and they took XU and Butler. That was our time to get in. Chaifetz was still new and we had the strongest teams in my tenure of being a Billiken fan. We had our best Chaifetz attendance and a future HOF coach. It was our heyday and they ignored us. Maybe we get in, not in my life time. It's over, let us improve on what we have.
We have Fordham in thee biggest market, do folks go to the games or watch them on TV in a NYC metro area? I believe Fordham was big mistake that gives the A10 or SLU nothing. Like LaSalle, once they are in you cannot get rid of them. Also it gave us no recruiting advantage in the talent laden NYC/No NJ recruiting area. I doubt it ever entered in French's decision to come here. What is left in the major metro areas that the A10 can get? Georgia State, Boston University, etc.. come on, more garbage.
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44 minutes ago, Lord Elrond said:
And with NIL, they are essentially back to the payroll model…
One the classic ESPN E60 was the show they did on SMU's death sentence.
The quote by, I think the Arkansas coach, "I was in a bidding war for Eric Dickerson and could not compete".
You're right all legal now.
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Here is my recommendation to benefit SLU. First, give up on the Big East, ain't going to happen, that boat sailed when they admitted UConn.
A10 needs to go get Bradley. They are not bad now, they have a very rich basketball history and they are very capable of being very good again. They are also (most important) an old SLU rival from the MVC days. Maybe some of you old timers like me remember the 1971 home game with Bradley but we put 14,000+ in the Old Barn. Jimmy 'the Jet' Irving went crazy that night. Also they check the box of being private.
I know we all complain about Bernadette but she gave us nice gift with Loyola. I was worried she was going to come up with another school from the Southeast. I know Loyola stinks but look at Porter's first couple of years at Loyola in the Horizon. They I feel are capable of being, maybe not a Final 4 team again, very competitive. Still remember the Alfredrick Hughes days. Look at the crowd we put in the Gentile. Kind nice with folks making up from St Louis and nice alum base in Chicago. If Loyola was a little better this year and was on a weekend, SLU probably would have tripled that crowd. We can get that same relation with Bradley. It's close (back when I attended SLU in the early 70's I made it up to the old Robertson Field House and back the same night) and a large alum base in Central Illinois.
The A10, as the Great Majerus stated, "is an East Coast League, I look out from my window in Atlantic City and see the ocean". Other than UD, I don't know if they consider us and we really have not lived up to our end of the bargain, our only rival. Do really have anything in common with New England state schools or Davidson (was good for me when I lived in Asheville). What did we draw the other night with URI, barely made 5000. We should be drawing with crappy conference game at least 8000 and a SRO with the better games (VCU & UD). Over the years I been to games at Charlotte, USM, ECU, UAB, and like I heard from Davidson fans asking "what is a Billiken"? May needs to advocate to make the League more Central Time Zone.
I think it would improve the A10 a lot for SLU's interest in MBB.
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42 minutes ago, brianstl said:
Packer hated Duke.
You have to remember that folks in Carolina consider Duke a Yankee school. Everyone on Tobacco Road hates Duke.
I have a close friend that graduated with Packer at Wake in 62. He knew him and said he was nice guy. Keynote speaker at Wake's Class of 62 50th class reunion. My friend said he very entertaining and funny speaker.
Also, he played on Wake's 62 Final 4 NCAA team.
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I was never Billy Packer fan. "The sun rose and set on the ACC".
I have to admit, the McGuire vs Packer confrontations were classic with Enberg having to officiate.
RIP Billy
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2 hours ago, Billikenbooster said:
for Thicks…it’s presence…unless you meant his presence was a present.
Thanks, Thicks was always on me with grammar, punctuation and spelling. I will miss that.
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This is very sad. Thicks has been with us since David's mid-1990's Rivals board.
He was always was objective and totally in control. Kept the board in perspective. Recall him jumping on me over my grammar. Made the perfect moderator.
RIP Thicks. You presents here will be deeply missed.
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59 minutes ago, dlarry said:
pickleball is an old person game.
40+ would be the main demographic. Most parks in the south city area are converting their tennis courts to pickleball courts. If you drive by ona nice weekend they will be jam packed all day.The game has really turned city parks into hotspots which is awesome.
I really enjoy playing.
That said this news doesn’t excite me one bit.I am a boomer and I am addicted on playing pickleball. Fortunately, where I live has 10 courts. They just converted 2 of the 6 tennis courts we have to pickleball courts.
Also, to be good at it is not easy. You have to play it a lot.
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41 minutes ago, Dr. Holly Hills said:
Poor coaching always accentuates the negative. Look at Memphis.. penny is loaded with 4star guys and the results have been blah.
In 20-21 Penny won the NIT. In 21-22 he made it to the round of 32. He's presently 11-4 with a ranking of 34 on the Pomeroy. Memphis attendance averages around 15,000 at the Fedex.
If Ford had similar achievements we would not be having this discussion.
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On 1/1/2023 at 12:37 PM, billikenfan05 said:
I need the band to stick around so they can play this song for the trumpet solo.
As an old Mets Fan, it did not help:
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30 minutes ago, wgstl said:
South Carolina is not a school that cares about their basketball teams, very hard place to win.
Football (well they try and have rabid fans) and baseball. They hate Clemson (who they play annually Thanksgiving weekend) with a passion who has been far more successful with Dabo. Was at the NCAAs Baseball opening round in Columbia when SLU Baseball Team played close to a decade ago. The ballpark looks like a Double A park with all the bells and whistles and amenities. They fill it during the season.
Martin a darn good coach. He's been to the Promise Land-Final 4. His defense is Majerus like. Heard opposing SEC coaches complain when I used have XM radio and listen to the SEC station and College Basketball station, "we dribble down the court and nothing. Can't run the offense."
Also, give Archie a little time.
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4 hours ago, Pistol said:
Trivia Question of the Week: In the past 40 seasons (after Ron Ekker), how many times has SLU finished in the top 3 of the conference? Which coach had the most top 3 finishes?
Dead has two, I am guessing Spoon.
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44 minutes ago, willie said:
Not saying I want it but the organ works for the NY Knicks.
That was idea when they started with the organ. To make it like the old Chicago Stadium or Madison Square Garden. I grew up in NY and used to get into late 60s Knicks games for $2 with your HS ID. The organ was great. For some reason, maybe the particular organ, the organist or acoustics, it just didn't work. Fans never really got into it like at a Knicks game. It didn't help that the fan crowd was sparse.
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50 minutes ago, Cowboy II said:
-thanks to those giving us an idea of what a mess the ADept has created, a couple more questions:
is it too late to save the band?
might be too soon but after last night any communication from the ADept to band members asking about intentions?
do we know who from the ADept was taking to Austin?
remember years ago during the Christmas break the Gibault high school band would play, I can see the ADept trying to go with a high school band
They did that in the early 70s. Each game featured a different HS. Might have been 74-75 season when Lew Mckinney played. It was bush league.
Prior to that they had the organ in the Old Kiel. That didn't work either.
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12 minutes ago, wgstl said:
Is carrawell known to be a recruiter or x and 0 guy ?
Hard to tell. At Duke, you don't recruit you select.
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19 minutes ago, Deutschkind said:
Band Alum as well. I was a member from 2010-2017, so I was there for the end of Mike's term and the beginning of Austin's.
SLU doesn't have much of a music department, so band was it's own thing. It was mostly people who loved basketball and/or just wanted the chance to keep playing music after high school. It was a fun activity, in contrast to honor societies and resume builders. For a while, the athletic department was asking the band to have less alumni members to provide more space for students, but I think since I left there are less students and the alumni keep coming. It was always a great dynamic and one that was quite unique. You had 18 year-olds learning the ropes from 30-year members.
If I remember my history right, the band wasn't started by the school or AD. It was a student-run group that played jazz and was asked to play at games. It evolved into the 100+ member band of a few years ago.
For some of the other questions that have been raised. I'd assume that other school provide more credit/scholarships if they have more requirements. As others have said, large football schools will have a marching band and multiple pep bands, usually different students play for different sports. They also likely have a lot of marketing/activities they are expected to do. If the "rewards" that the members get haven't changed since my time, I wouldn't be happy trying to do more events.
The first time I heard the Band was when I attended those 2 Grawer NIT finals back in the late 80s. I believe it was called the St Louis U Jazz Ensemble. When I was at SLU early to mid 70s we had no band. Couple times, if it was a big game they bring in a 3-4 piece band-but that was it.
During the 1/2 time they played "McArthur's Park". All of Madison Square Garden was in awe! They sounded great.
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Love to get Carrawell to come. Could be our Shaheen Holloway. Watched him when I lived in Asheville playing in the G league. He checks a lot of the boxes> Local, played for Coach K and was his assistant, assistant at Marquette, lots of overseas playing experiences, able to teach, etc..)
I think if he's successful, rather than him running off to a P6 school, we could make it worth his while to stay.
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28 minutes ago, dlarry said:
Outside the box coaching suggestion…Quin Snyder.
Pluses:
He’s sleazy enough to excel in the NIL and portal and a great offensive mind.
Negatives:
If you have daughters as undergrads you will be a little nervous.
BillikenRoys head might explode
In all honesty I’d kick the tires.
If we are stooping that low, at least go for Marshall.
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4 hours ago, brianstl said:
So you have seen people clamoring for Bruce to burn a year of eligibility by playing this season on the board? I haven’t. I have seen people pointing out that he could enroll for the spring semester if he wanted to and that it appears that he quit he quit his prep program. Enrolling in school and joining the program isn’t burning a year of eligibility by playing.
Will it happen? Probably not unless something creative comes together to cover his tuition.
I always regretted that Cody Ellis came in mid-season and burned a year. Would have preferred he started his eligibility in the class with Evans/Loe/Jett/McCall. Recall he hung around that Fall semester he was not eligible to get his degree.
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1 hour ago, Bills By 40 said:
Zhang would be a very high risk, medium reward addition. I can't imagine he'd acclimate quick enough to be worth significant minutes over Forrester or even Momo. I could be wrong about Momo, but I'd hate to waste a year of his eligibility for an idea that's bound to fail from the jump.
1 hour ago, billikenfan05 said:You're assuming a lot here...
What is the status of Zhang? Did he sign?
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2 minutes ago, DOC said:
Guessing it will be similar to the basketball coach.
So you think 2.6 mil is bad pay for a mediocre coach? 700 grand more then the next highest payed coach in the A10.
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4 hours ago, BrettJollyComedyHour said:
I think Ford is overpaid, like, he deserves a similar salary to successful A10 coaches, but I think we're giving him too much money.
Agree, I believe his salary around 2.6 mil. As of last year the next A10 coach, Rhoads of VCU made about $700,000 less. I am guessing Martin and Miller are making good salaries but no where near Ford's.
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4 hours ago, AGB91 said:
Ford isn’t going anywhere until Chaifetz say he is.
Case closed.
yea, especially if we have to make a big payout.
we payed big bucks to fire Crews which probably came from him and a few other donors
Coach's Show with Rammer, Jan 9 & 23, Feb 6, 13
in Billikens.com Main Board
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Does Ford ever do a call-in show like our previous coaches?
Love for Gary to have go at him
BTW: Those who never heard of Gary or are too new for this board, Gary used to call in at every Majerus call-in show and the two of them would go at it on strategy. Actually made the show interesting.