hsmith19 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Their schedule is a bit better than ours No . And yet if they lose this one, they will in all likelihood be looking up at us in the polls on Monday. Wichita State, on the other hand, has a far weaker remaining schedule than us, and people are conceding that BOTH they and Kansas will finish ahead of us in seeding. It's not just defeatist; it's totally illogical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 GW beats Richmond Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 No ######. And yet if they lose this one, they will in all likelihood be looking up at us in the polls on Monday. Wichita State, on the other hand, has a far weaker remaining schedule than us, and people are conceding that BOTH they and Kansas will finish ahead of us in seeding. It's not just defeatist; it's totally illogical. I'm realistic. Do I think we shouldn't try? No. Would I like to see us steal the spots in STL? Absolutely. I don't think a loss at TTU is going to change that. That being said I'm still rooting for TTU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joe_davola Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Fair point. I will say if someone offers us 5 of 6 we should jump on it. Agree? Yeah for sure. As much as I want to run the table it will be very tough to win at VCU. Anything is possible but I would take 5 of 6. I hope I'm wrong and you bring up this post though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigMouthBilliken Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 IMHO no loss is a good loss. While it may help, we haven't exactly been blowing teams out of the water. We have been grinding out wins which proves that we have the mental and physical toughness to compete in close games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Providence hits a 3-pointer with 19 seconds left to tie 'Nova. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 On FS1 if you're looking for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLUfan_42 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Of course we want to win the A10 tournament. We want the best seed possible. They are not going to send us west again. Never want to lose. No such thing as a good loss. +100 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Texas Tech is 104 RPI. That's a big hit, even on the road. And a tougher schedule also means more chances for losses down the stretch. It's perfectly realistic to think we could "steal" a spot in St. Louis if we win out. That's a much bigger if than what the other teams do--we should be worried about our team winning the games in front of us rather than imagining an artificial ceiling based on what other teams might do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 OT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschkind Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 No ######. And yet if they lose this one, they will in all likelihood be looking up at us in the polls on Monday. Wichita State, on the other hand, has a far weaker remaining schedule than us, and people are conceding that BOTH they and Kansas will finish ahead of us in seeding. It's not just defeatist; it's totally illogical. The polls mean nothing to the committee. In RPI KU is 2 and we are 10. According to Kenpom KU is 10 and we are 19. According to the Wiz KU is 4 and we are 24. Polls really just track who is making the most noise right now. When the committee goes back and looks at our entire body of work, they'll see how much more difficult KU's schedule was (the hardest in the country) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Not arguing KU's credentials, but a loss to TTU (13-12 record and 5-7 in Big 12) would be a terrible loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 The polls mean nothing to the committee. In RPI KU is 2 and we are 10. According to Kenpom KU is 10 and we are 19. According to the Wiz KU is 4 and we are 24. Polls really just track who is making the most noise right now. When the committee goes back and looks at our entire body of work, they'll see how much more difficult KU's schedule was (the hardest in the country) Bingo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Kansas is less than 0.04 ahead of us in RPI as it stands tonight. Factor in wins in our remaining games (including the A-10 tourney) and .04 is not an unrealistic jump, particularly when Kansas faces realistic opportunities to lose multiple remaining games. Wichita State, of course, is as close to us in RPI as they are to Kansas, and even a single MVC loss will knock them way down. Again, it's not unrealistic to pass one of them if we win out. That's the big "if." And passing only one is all we need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 2OT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deutschkind Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Kansas is less than 0.04 ahead of us in RPI as it stands tonight. Factor in wins in our remaining games (including the A-10 tourney) and .04 is not an unrealistic jump, particularly when Kansas faces realistic opportunities to lose multiple remaining games. Wichita State, of course, is as close to us in RPI as they are to Kansas, and even a single MVC loss will knock them way down. Again, it's not unrealistic to pass one of them if we win out. That's the big "if." And passing only one is all we need. Looking at RPIForecast (btw, what's the official NCAA RPI?), KU is as far ahead of us as we are ahead of Pitt. That seems like a decent distance. KU still has games against Texas, OK and WV, along with OSU and 2 games against Texas Tech. Unless they really stumble, I don't see us catching them. Our best chance at getting a spot in St. Louis would be to have WSU stumble. Unfortunately, that will hurt us a little too. If they stumble and we finish strong, I think our better strength of schedule could give us a higher seed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 2OT One hell of a game. I remember some people on here dumping on Providence as a "bottom-feeder" last year during all the BE selection talk, but they look pretty good to me in this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Looking at RPIForecast (btw, what's the official NCAA RPI?), KU is as far ahead of us as we are ahead of Pitt. That seems like a decent distance. KU still has games against Texas, OK and WV, along with OSU and 2 games against Texas Tech. Unless they really stumble, I don't see us catching them. Our best chance at getting a spot in St. Louis would be to have WSU stumble. Unfortunately, that will hurt us a little too. If they stumble and we finish strong, I think our better strength of schedule could give us a higher seed I'm not too worried about our loss to Wichita State becoming a "bad" loss. Even if they stumble, they will still finish a quality team. I agree passing them is the more likely scenario than Kansas, but I don't see the sense in conceding either one. I still think the general sentiment here is underestimating where we'll end up in terms of RPI, BPI, and all the rest if we can run the table. At the same time people post these cautionary notes about how infinitesimal our chances of winning out are, they seem to be underrating just how awesome a position it would put us in if we could pull it off. I remember last year making that enormous jump in RPI over the span of three or four weeks. Even though our remaining schedule might not be quite as strong this year, wins like @VCU, @UMass, and whoever we face in the A-10 tourney would be huge RPI-boosters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenfan05 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I'm not too worried about our loss to Wichita State becoming a "bad" loss. Even if they stumble, they will still finish a quality team. I agree passing them is the more likely scenario than Kansas, but I don't see the sense in conceding either one. I still think the general sentiment here is underestimating where we'll end up in terms of RPI, BPI, and all the rest if we can run the table. At the same time people post these cautionary notes about how infinitesimal our chances of winning out are, they seem to be underrating just how awesome a position it would put us in if we could pull it off. I remember last year making that enormous jump in RPI over the span of three or four weeks. Even though our remaining schedule might not be quite as strong this year, wins like @VCU, @UMass, and whoever we face in the A-10 tourney would be huge RPI-boosters. It's not about it becoming a bad loss but still dragging us slightly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 It's not about it becoming a bad loss but still dragging us slightly. Yes, I understood his point. My point also remains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Providence will not go away. This game is crazy. Tied again with 16 seconds to go in 2OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hsmith19 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 Providence is going to need one more miracle... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
For-DaLove Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I doubt that Wichita State stumbles enough for us to catch them. I see them entering the NCAA Tournament undefeated, and even if they don't, they aren't going to lose more than 1 game. And that won't be enough for us to pass them in the selection committees eye. Let's face it, there's a lot better chance that we stumble than Wichita State. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DD3 Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 'Nova pulls it out. Providence had a surprisingly good look at the basket in the last second but the shot fell just short. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kshoe Posted February 19, 2014 Share Posted February 19, 2014 I doubt that Wichita State stumbles enough for us to catch them. I see them entering the NCAA Tournament undefeated, and even if they don't, they aren't going to lose more than 1 game. And that won't be enough for us to pass them in the selection committees eye. Let's face it, there's a lot better chance that we stumble than Wichita State. Yup. I've given up hope of playing in St. Louis. It's just not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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