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[STL Hoops Insider]

DIVISION I

CORE GRADE-POINT AVERAGE/

TEXT-SCORE SLIDING SCALE

NEW CORE GPA/Test Score Index

Core GPA SAT ACT

3.550 & above 400 37

3.525 410 38

3.500 420 39

3.475 430 40

3.450 440 41

3.425 450 41

3.400 460 42

3.375 470 42

3.350 480 43

3.325 490 44

3.300 500 44

3.275 510 45

3.250 520 46

3.225 530 46

3.200 540 47

3.175 550 47

3.150 560 48

3.125 570 49

3.100 580 49

3.075 590 50

3.050 600 50

3.025 610 51

3.000 620 52

2.975 630 52

2.950 640 53

2.925 650 53

2.900 660 54

2.875 670 55

2.850 680 56

2.825 690 56

2.800 700 57

2.775 710 58

2.750 720 59

2.725 730 59

2.700 730 60

2.675 740-750 61

2.650 760 62

2.625 770 63

2.600 780 64

2.575 790 65

2.550 800 66

2.525 810 67

2.500 820 68

2.475 830 69

2.450 840-850 70

2.425 860 70

2.400 860 71

2.375 870 72

2.350 880 73

2.325 890 74

2.300 900 75

2.275 910 76

2.250 920 77

2.225 930 78

2.200 940 79

2.175 950 80

2.150 960 80

2.125 960 81

2.100 970 82

2.075 980 83

2.050 990 84

2.025 1000 85

2.000 1010 86

Other notes:

• In Division II, there is no sliding

scale. The minimum core gradepoint

average is 2.000. The minimum

SAT score is 820 (Verbal and Math

sections only) and the minimum ACT

sum score is 68.

• Students first entering a Division I or Division

II collegiate institution on or after August 1,

2005, must meet the new 14 core-course

rule.

• Students first entering a Division I collegiate

institution on or after August 1, 2008, must

meet the 16 core-course rule.

• The SAT combined score is based on the

Verbal and Math sections only. The new

writing section will not be used.

For more information regarding the new rule,

please go to www.ncaa.org. Click on “Studentathletes

and Parents” in the “Custom Home

Pages” section. You may also visit the

clearinghouse Web site at

www.ncaaclearinghouse.net.

IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS ABOUT NCAA

ELIGIBILITY, PLEASE CALL THE NCAA

INITIAL-ELIGIBILITY CLEARINGHOUSE

TOLL-FREE AT 877/262-1492. YOU MAY

ALSO CALL THE NCAA AT 317/917-6222.

[kshoe]

Meeting NCAA eligibility standards are far different than meeting SLU admission standards! Let's hope Rick has an "in" over at the admission's office if these rumors are substantiated. A 3.5 GPA with an ACT score of a 15 may get you in at Southern Illinois, but SLU will laugh while stamping the "rejected" ink on the admission application!!!!!

Nothing could be further from the truth. If a HS athlete is eligible per the NCAA then they are eligible per SLU. Its that simple.

[kevinfootes]

Nothing could be further from the truth. If a HS athlete is eligible per the NCAA then they are eligible per SLU. Its that simple.

Well stated. SLU has some trouble with JUCO transfers, but that's a different story.

[Taj79]

To kshoe: Is your statement true?

Here's why I ask: it seems to me that being eligible per NCAA rules is one thing, and if you are eligible in that regard, then it would seem to hold water at SLU. However, and having said that, what if your are not ADMITTED to SLU but still eligible per NCAA standards? Then what? Was this not the case in the great Craig Upchurch fiasco of the early 80's? Where Craig qualified for eligibility per the NCAA (he played as a freshman at Houston) but was denied admittance to SLU based on the same numbers and grades? Granted, that is ancient history but is this kind of situation still doable at SLU?

I think out here we are seeing a similar thing at Maryland. The recent Tyree Evans case. I believe this kid was eligible per NCAA standards coming out of his Tennessee JUCO. He was not yet admitted to Maryland when the uproar broke out over his criminal record. Yow claims she knew nothing about his being offered a scholarship but c'mon --- even we have an inkling of who RM is offering and I've got to believe an AD is more in the flow than we could ever hope to be. Its so bad in College Park that Gary Williams might be walking the job line and reading the want ads as early as next year. Evans withdrew his application for admission to end all this flack but i would offer that as evidence that NCAA-eligible is fine but you have to be in the school first and then worry about that.

I have this vision of today's high school kid sitting in a class with some of the profs I had at SLU and can't help but think neither will understand what the other is saying. Its like aliens from two different planets. But I guess that what team study halls and studnet tutors are for. I understand and recognize the great cultural bias debate over standardized test scores ---- but never found them that difficult so I guess I truly don't understand. I blame that on middle-aged-white-guy syndrome.

[jjray]

To kshoe: Is your statement true?

Here's why I ask: it seems to me that being eligible per NCAA rules is one thing, and if you are eligible in that regard, then it would seem to hold water at SLU. However, and having said that, what if your are not ADMITTED to SLU but still eligible per NCAA standards? Then what? Was this not the case in the great Craig Upchurch fiasco of the early 80's? Where Craig qualified for eligibility per the NCAA (he played as a freshman at Houston) but was denied admittance to SLU based on the same numbers and grades? Granted, that is ancient history but is this kind of situation still doable at SLU?

Biondi changed the policy way back in the Spoon days. Too bad for Upchurch (and Grawer). It has been the policy at SLU for decades that they will take any kid for b-ball the coach wants so long as he qualifies per NCAA rules.

[MusicCityBilliken]

Wasn't one of the stipulations of Rick coming to SLU was an increase in tutorial help for the players. I think this is major in maintaining a players' eligibility. Also, I recall Rick mentioning in one of his radio shows having an assistant literally go to the dorm to get a player out of bed and escorting him to class.

Just last Friday I was driving from Little Rock to the Mississippi Coast and I decided to stop in Oxford, MS (the home of Ole Miss). Next to the football stadium was this building called the FEDEX Academic Athletic Center. What surprised me was the size of this building. It was several storied building and every bit bigger then Cardinal Ritter Hall. BTW, this was the first time I ever visited Ole Miss and I have to say it is prettiest looking campus I ever seen with the exception of Cornell in upstate NY.

[kshoe]

Biondi changed the policy way back in the Spoon days. Too bad for Upchurch (and Grawer). It has been the policy at SLU for decades that they will take any kid for b-ball the coach wants so long as he qualifies per NCAA rules.

Thank you JJRay. The myth of SLU having higher standards than the NCAA for HS kids is one that just won't go away despite it not being true since the days of Upchurch. JUCOs are a totally different situation but thats another story.

[SS601]

YOU are a VERY negative person!

Redbirdfan,

You are really a big fan of RC and that's great. To call me a VERY negative person because I'm telling the truth is a bit much. If a kid has to take the ACT more than three times in one year that should concern you. It should also tell you that the kid may need to seek other options. There is nothing wrong with that. RC,WR, and KM may all need to attend junior college first. If they do the chances of SLU resigning them are very slim. Again, that's not being negative, but being truthful!

RM has put together one of the worst recruiting classes in SLU history! Three of his top recruits may not even enroll in the school because of grades? Why are you even recruiting players like that anyway? I guess he will point the finger at AT for recruiting them. Maybe that's why he fired him.

I hear people on this board saying that they hope RM hires an African American coach. Why? They had one and RM fired him. RM needs to hire an Assistant Coach that knows how to recruit players that will fit into their system. It's pretty obvious that RM needs help.SLU will be lucky if they win 12 games next year!

I know that most of you on this board agree with me but will never admitt it. That's fine! You are too foolish to accept the fact that RM hasn't done anything positive since he's been here. SLU was the laughing stock of COLLEGE BASKETBALL(all levels) for scoring only 20pts the entire game and you morons continue to praise RM. He's being paid 1 million dollars a year and his team scores 20 points? He then gets on National TV and says these are not his players!

RM was a terrible hire for SLU and you fools know it's the truth! Keep making excuses for him while he continues to point the finger at everyone else. I can't wait until the season begins! Again, they will be lucky to win 12 games!

The Great SS601 Has Spoken!!!!

[NH]

Redbirdfan,

You are really a big fan of RC and that's great. To call me a VERY negative person because I'm telling the truth is a bit much. If a kid has to take the ACT more than three times in one year that should concern you. It should also tell you that the kid may need to seek other options. There is nothing wrong with that. RC,WR, and KM may all need to attend junior college first. If they do the chances of SLU resigning them are very slim. Again, that's not being negative, but being truthful!

RM has put together one of the worst recruiting classes in SLU history! Three of his top recruits may not even enroll in the school because of grades? Why are you even recruiting players like that anyway? I guess he will point the finger at AT for recruiting them. Maybe that's why he fired him.

I hear people on this board saying that they hope RM hires an African American coach. Why? They had one and RM fired him. RM needs to hire an Assistant Coach that knows how to recruit players that will fit into their system. It's pretty obvious that RM needs help.SLU will be lucky if they win 12 games next year!

I know that most of you on this board agree with me but will never admitt it. That's fine! You are too foolish to accept the fact that RM hasn't done anything positive since he's been here. SLU was the laughing stock of COLLEGE BASKETBALL(all levels) for scoring only 20pts the entire game and you morons continue to praise RM. He's being paid 1 million dollars a year and his team scores 20 points? He then gets on National TV and says these are not his players!

RM was a terrible hire for SLU and you fools know it's the truth! Keep making excuses for him while he continues to point the finger at everyone else. I can't wait until the season begins! Again, they will be lucky to win 12 games!

The Great SS601 Has Spoken!!!!

Only two people have been mentioned for grade problems. No one has worried about Kwamain this whole time. He has a 3.13 gpa, I know he still has to get a good test score but if he can get a 3.13 he can probably qualify. I bet at least two out of the three qualify.

[TEE]

ss601:

do you like these people or something?

You have issues

[redbirdfan]

First of all Ruben has only taken the ACT once not 3 times. If you know anything at all about him (which you clearly don't!) his score had nothing at all to do with how smart he is or isn't. Again, you know nothing about him.. and again after reading you last post, so full of negative comments on all levels involving Billiken Basketball I have to wonder why you even frequent this board since you obviously have nothing good to say about the organization as a whole.

Redbirdfan,

You are really a big fan of RC and that's great. To call me a VERY negative person because I'm telling the truth is a bit much. If a kid has to take the ACT more than three times in one year that should concern you. It should also tell you that the kid may need to seek other options. There is nothing wrong with that. RC,WR, and KM may all need to attend junior college first. If they do the chances of SLU resigning them are very slim. Again, that's not being negative, but being truthful!

RM has put together one of the worst recruiting classes in SLU history! Three of his top recruits may not even enroll in the school because of grades? Why are you even recruiting players like that anyway? I guess he will point the finger at AT for recruiting them. Maybe that's why he fired him.

I hear people on this board saying that they hope RM hires an African American coach. Why? They had one and RM fired him. RM needs to hire an Assistant Coach that knows how to recruit players that will fit into their system. It's pretty obvious that RM needs help.SLU will be lucky if they win 12 games next year!

I know that most of you on this board agree with me but will never admitt it. That's fine! You are too foolish to accept the fact that RM hasn't done anything positive since he's been here. SLU was the laughing stock of COLLEGE BASKETBALL(all levels) for scoring only 20pts the entire game and you morons continue to praise RM. He's being paid 1 million dollars a year and his team scores 20 points? He then gets on National TV and says these are not his players!

RM was a terrible hire for SLU and you fools know it's the truth! Keep making excuses for him while he continues to point the finger at everyone else. I can't wait until the season begins! Again, they will be lucky to win 12 games!

The Great SS601 Has Spoken!!!!

[NH]

First of all Ruben has only taken the ACT once not 3 times. If you know anything at all about him (which you clearly don't!) his score had nothing at all to do with how smart he is or isn't. Again, you know nothing about him.. and again after reading you last post, so full of negative comments on all levels involving Billiken Basketball I have to wonder why you even frequent this board since you obviously have nothing good to say about the organization as a whole.

I think most billiken posters know ruben is a smart kid just has a little trouble with english.

[NashvilleBilliken]

First of all Ruben has only taken the ACT once not 3 times. If you know anything at all about him (which you clearly don't!) his score had nothing at all to do with how smart he is or isn't. Again, you know nothing about him.. and again after reading you last post, so full of negative comments on all levels involving Billiken Basketball I have to wonder why you even frequent this board since you obviously have nothing good to say about the organization as a whole.

Redbird, don't sweat what this guy is saying. He obviously doesn't have a clue what he's talking about and seems to have something personal against Ruben. It's kinda pathetic actually. Just about all Billiken fans are rooting hard for RC and think he can be a huge piece of this team in the upcoming years. I, personally, could not even fathom having to go through school speaking a language other than my native tongue. Gaining acceptance to SLU will be a huge accomplishment and an indicator of his work ethic.

[GOSLU68]

Redbird, don't sweat what this guy is saying. He obviously doesn't have a clue what he's talking about and seems to have something personal against Ruben. It's kinda pathetic actually. Just about all Billiken fans are rooting hard for RC and think he can be a huge piece of this team in the upcoming years. I, personally, could not even fathom having to go through school speaking a language other than my native tongue. Gaining acceptance to SLU will be a huge accomplishment and an indicator of his work ethic.

if RC gets in SLU and graduates he could keep in mind that Wash U has a PHD program in Spanish

[mcglotherirvin]

you have no credibility. first, cotto has taken the act one time, not three times. second, i have not heard from anyone that KM is at risk of not qualifying. third, WR was going to be redshirted freshman year all along. he has passed the act. waiting on grades which RM could not have predicted would be a problem - all had to do with the school he transferred to. at most, i see us being one short of the players we hoped would come in and contribute right away - cotto. and all along, RM knew cotto might have trouble getting qualified right away becauase of the language barrier. so to see RM has assembled one of the worst recruiting classes if history is just hilarious. i assume you are just flaming. otherwise, you truly are stupid. even without these three, i'd take a class of thompson, conklin, and femi john over any class assembled by BS other than the lisch liddell class.

Redbirdfan,

You are really a big fan of RC and that's great. To call me a VERY negative person because I'm telling the truth is a bit much. If a kid has to take the ACT more than three times in one year that should concern you. It should also tell you that the kid may need to seek other options. There is nothing wrong with that. RC,WR, and KM may all need to attend junior college first. If they do the chances of SLU resigning them are very slim. Again, that's not being negative, but being truthful!

RM has put together one of the worst recruiting classes in SLU history! Three of his top recruits may not even enroll in the school because of grades? Why are you even recruiting players like that anyway? I guess he will point the finger at AT for recruiting them. Maybe that's why he fired him.

I hear people on this board saying that they hope RM hires an African American coach. Why? They had one and RM fired him. RM needs to hire an Assistant Coach that knows how to recruit players that will fit into their system. It's pretty obvious that RM needs help.SLU will be lucky if they win 12 games next year!

I know that most of you on this board agree with me but will never admitt it. That's fine! You are too foolish to accept the fact that RM hasn't done anything positive since he's been here. SLU was the laughing stock of COLLEGE BASKETBALL(all levels) for scoring only 20pts the entire game and you morons continue to praise RM. He's being paid 1 million dollars a year and his team scores 20 points? He then gets on National TV and says these are not his players!

RM was a terrible hire for SLU and you fools know it's the truth! Keep making excuses for him while he continues to point the finger at everyone else. I can't wait until the season begins! Again, they will be lucky to win 12 games!

The Great SS601 Has Spoken!!!!

[redbirdfan]

It is with geat pride and joy that I say I wish I would have placed a bet with you! ACT scores were released today and Guess what? you loose! HA! I told you! Ruben IS a BILLIKEN!

Redbirdfan,

You are really a big fan of RC and that's great. To call me a VERY negative person because I'm telling the truth is a bit much. If a kid has to take the ACT more than three times in one year that should concern you. It should also tell you that the kid may need to seek other options. There is nothing wrong with that. RC,WR, and KM may all need to attend junior college first. If they do the chances of SLU resigning them are very slim. Again, that's not being negative, but being truthful!

RM has put together one of the worst recruiting classes in SLU history! Three of his top recruits may not even enroll in the school because of grades? Why are you even recruiting players like that anyway? I guess he will point the finger at AT for recruiting them. Maybe that's why he fired him.

I hear people on this board saying that they hope RM hires an African American coach. Why? They had one and RM fired him. RM needs to hire an Assistant Coach that knows how to recruit players that will fit into their system. It's pretty obvious that RM needs help.SLU will be lucky if they win 12 games next year!

I know that most of you on this board agree with me but will never admitt it. That's fine! You are too foolish to accept the fact that RM hasn't done anything positive since he's been here. SLU was the laughing stock of COLLEGE BASKETBALL(all levels) for scoring only 20pts the entire game and you morons continue to praise RM. He's being paid 1 million dollars a year and his team scores 20 points? He then gets on National TV and says these are not his players!

RM was a terrible hire for SLU and you fools know it's the truth! Keep making excuses for him while he continues to point the finger at everyone else. I can't wait until the season begins! Again, they will be lucky to win 12 games!

The Great SS601 Has Spoken!!!!

[NashvilleBilliken]

Woo Hoo!! I sure hope you're right.

[Westy03]

Woo Hoo!! I sure hope you're right.

Yeah! Nice job Ruben. Now just go out and stick it to everyone that doubted you.

[NH]

Yeah! Nice job Ruben. Now just go out and stick it to everyone that doubted you.

starting at guard for your SAINT Louis University Billikens........RUBEN COTTO

COTTO for THREE.........Bang HE GOT IT.

p.ss. I think I did bet with you SS601, nice call on none of the three qualifying

[bamjam]

Yeah! Nice job Ruben. Now just go out and stick it to everyone that doubted you.

Andy Strickland declared on Bernie's show this afternoon that Cotto did not qualify academically and will go the JUCO route.