Schasz Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 Apparently, they are going to take USF too. http://sports.tbo.com/sports/MGADLWOKFMD.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 You do realize the Big "Least" is going to be the top hoops conference in the nation, right? In fact, I'm pretty sure every team in the new Big East except for Georgetown, West Virginia (who just missed) and Rutgers (and maybe USF) went to the post season last year. Heard a buddy who graduated from DePaul complaining that now that DePaul is going to the Big East "they'll never make the NCAA tourney. This is their last chance while they're still in CUSA." Doesn't sound like the "Least" to me. Who are the weaklings, West Virginia and South Florida? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidnark Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 It's a great basketball conference, and I wish SLU were a part of it. That being said, it is perhaps the least stable conference in the nation. If SLU is in fact added to the A-10, it will be part of a very good basketball conference with long-term stability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted October 31, 2003 Author Share Posted October 31, 2003 Amen Nark, anyone who thinks that house of cards is on solid grounds...I'd love to sell you some land here in FL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 law, you cant seriously be saying that all the teams will be tourney teams are you? the fact is that they will beat up on each other and their records will still only get 4-6 teams per year. the argument will continue as to the acc, big ten, sec, big 12, big east and pac10 as to who is stronger. nothing will change except that the road may have gotten tougher for marquette and depaul now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiken_roy Posted October 31, 2003 Share Posted October 31, 2003 the sheer number of schools and the continued quest to be an accredited bcs conference will make the conference break apart. one would think that the cusa example alone would have spotlighted that basketball only schools dont mix with football schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted October 31, 2003 Author Share Posted October 31, 2003 The Big (L)East is a total joke as a football conference with the loss of Miami, BC, and VA Tech. IMHO they have two chances of being a BCS player little and none. As to them being the top basketball conference...no way. This year the Big 12 is probably No. 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 The Big (L)East will not be the top hoops conference. Syracuse, Cincy, L'Ville (with Pitino), and UConn are perrennial top temas. Nova is also usually a top 25 contender. But there are big ?s as to whether the other programs can maintain their recent amount of success. And whether some of the former good teams can return to top form. Plus without BCS membership this league will be very short lived. And USF does not exactly put them over the top for membership in the bCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjray Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 >It's a great basketball conference, and I wish SLU were a >part of it. That being said, it is perhaps the least stable >conference in the nation. If SLU is in fact added to the >A-10, it will be part of a very good basketball conference >with long-term stability. Agree with David. Adding another football team, if this report is true, just adds to the instability and, IMHO, shall lead to a quicker divorce betweeen the BE football and basketball teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billiken Law Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 No, I don't think all of them will be tourney teams. However, it will be one competitive conference and that will pay off in the post season, as well as in recruiting (coaches can say you get the play the best every night) and attendence (few teams that will draw zero local interest like CUSA has many of now). Plus, I think the idea that this is a "house of cards" is short-sighted. I've heard from some good sources that isn't the case, this is a permanent solution. Besides, even if it does fall in a few years it's better to be on the inside than the outside when a couple schools are added to the Big East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schasz Posted November 1, 2003 Author Share Posted November 1, 2003 Torch, Surely, you could not have been talking about this upstart fledgling program who is still bowl eligible. However, I am not too sure what bowl they might get an invite. http://sports.tbo.com/sports/MGAPCBM7HMD.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYWarrior Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Stability could be a factor but realize that these 16 schools all will sign a five year contract buffered by a $5M out clause going forward. $5M will buy some degree of stability. The future of the BCS will have much to do with the survival of the Big East (if the BCS is expanded/adjusted, the league should survive as is). But even if this is a limited engagement it will do wonders for the MU program. Regardless, I do believe that within a decade we'll see MU, SLU, DPU and the non-football unis of the Big East join a large hoops-driven league. Good luck to you guys in the reconfigured and very competitive A-10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYWarrior Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 The Big East very well could be the top hoops conference; if not the top, no worse than #3 in any season. The newly configured conference sent two to the Final Four last year & has two national champs in the last decade. The league will begin play with four to five elite programs (based on records in the last few years, tourney success, coaching stability and facilities) - - UConn, 'Cuse, Cincy, Louisville and Marquette. By comparison, the Big 10 has IU, Wisco, MSU & perhaps Illinois. Pac10 has Arizona, UCLA, & Stanford(?). SEC has Kentucky and Florida. Figuring UNC's turnaround is a given, the ACC would have Duke, UNC, Wake Forest, Md and ???. Big12 - - KU, Texas, & Mi$$ery (if Quin can stay outta jail). The new Big East looks better and better. Back to the Big east - - - sure there's question about maintaining programs at an elite level (MU, for instance - and by the same token, Ville is on this list only because of Pitino's rep right now), but at any given time the conference should have at least four teams ranked. Factor in good, young coaches at youthful programs like Seton Hall, PC, Villanova & perhaps SJU and G'Town - - quite a league. And there are no Houstons or USMs in the mix (much less Vanderbilt, Northwestern, Virginia Tech, ). SLU and Charlotte into the A-10 rachets that league up as well - - those universities plus Dayton, X, a well-coached squad at URI and perhaps UMAss. A good league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slufanskip Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 Don't forget OU in the Big 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYWarrior Posted November 1, 2003 Share Posted November 1, 2003 good call, my bad. I still have my head wrapped around college football, not hoops. That'll change quickly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thetorch Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Marquette made one final four, they are not in the elite status yet and certainly have not been a perrennial top 25 team over the last decade much less the past 5 years. Potential is nice but not quite enough. The new BE will be a top 5 conference but not the best. ACC and Big 12 are still better and the BE can only be considered marginally better than the Big 10, SEC, and Pac 10 if at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basketbill Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 nm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYWarrior Posted November 2, 2003 Share Posted November 2, 2003 Fair enough on MU, we'll all see what happens (BTW, 6 NCAA tourney bids in the last decade, including a Sweet 16 and a Final Four, is more than respectable). Regardelss, you are applying quite a discount to the Big East considering two recent NCAA champs have emerged from the league (Cuse and UConn), not to mention the addition of Cincy (perennial top 20) and Ville (likely to be there). Throw in Nova, MU and the rest - - top three league every year hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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