Who replaces Drejaj

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Jamaal wasn't a failure either ... he wasn't a star but he was a good player. Not every player will be a star.

Next regardless of whether DP hit for 20ppg and 10apg his freshmen year ... you still recruit Tommie. If DP was playing as well as many of us thought he would ... they would be on the floor together along with KL.

Marque wasn't really a pg though he played the position. Marque was a 2 in a pg's body. He was a scorer and not much of an assist man.

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[VTIME]

>Despite broy's belief that this is your best post in some

>time, there are items I disagree with. So maybe its a good

>post but I have issues ....

>

>Who are the two studs you mention? Liddell and Lisch? If I

>agree with you on this one, I guess I have to question the

>coach and ask, what ere you thinking? Polk, POY in 2004,

>small dude at 5'9", in my book has only one position and

>that is the point. Then, not even a year removed from that

>and you're bringing in two studs to replace him? Or play

>over him? That is either amazing, or pretty stupid. The

>Ban Brad Crowd will go with the latter. This is probably

>why I always thought of Lisch as a hotting or #2 guard and

>Liddell as a 3 spot player. even when Mike Deane was at

>Marquette, he knew enough NOT to bring in a replacement

>point until the current point was at least a junior. That

>gave the kid a year to learn and then be ready by the soph

>season at the earliest. Otherwise, you've essentially

>wasted a spot on your roster, wouldn't you agree?

>

>Beauty is in the eye of the beholder and again, because of

>that POY distinction, I expected a whole lot more than 35%

>from the field, 26 from the arc, 57% from the line and a 5.8

>ppg. But that's me. And while I can understand where such

>stats as a "Billiken" freshman might be okay, overall I

>would not say its one of the "better freshman seasons in

>some time." I will admit that I was somewhat excited about

>Polk this time last year, but, unfortunately, I guess I am a

>partof the ten-second sound bite society that demands

>immediate gratification in a

>what-have-you-done-for-me-lately situation that reflects

>backon the trend and sees not much waiting in the wings as

>far as Dwayne goes. But I'm nobody so saying "show him up

>Dwayne" will probably mean nothing.

>

>And once again, please stop the Vashon commercials. Until

>something major comes along and proves otherwise, Vashon

>don't play outside of Peoria, to bastardize an old theater

>thought. In my book, which is my book andmight be tougher

>than some, Vashon hasn't produced a "success" story in

>basketball since Bonner. I don't careif they win a state

>title ad infinitum.

>

>Finally, if I subscribe to your theory that Polk can be "on

>of the best backup pg's in the conference," well, then I

>have a problem. Because ine sence, if we recruit these kids

>as you have advocated in the past, then why are we

>recruiting kids to be backups in what some term an inferior,

>low-mid major conference? And again, cloud the issue with a

>former POY heading. I like what you have to say about his

>cahracter, but you don't really know, do you? I mean, the

>perfect human being thing would be to say he won't look over

>his shoulder and he knows he's in for only a short time. I

>challenge you to show me one kid today, sitting at the end

>of the bench, who truly believes he's in the right role and

>is being used properly.

>

>I am tired of the old "he didn't play point in high school"

>excuse as well. Marque Perry, arguably one of the best

>point guards in school history, was a three in high school.

>The coaches coach. They should be able to make him a point

>after two long, intense years, don't you think? If you're

>going to stand around all game and wait for your open looks

>to come, its going to be a long wait. Ask Drew Deiner.

>

>As for Skip's comment he's half right ... I couldn't

>remember Jeremy Biles and that was a failure. But my review

>of MacCauley is tainted as well. The person i meant to be

>talking about was none other than our new coach, Jamall

>Walker. For those that may have forgot, Walker was the

>Kansas POY out of Wichita South High School. I believe that

>maybe the thought was to get Walker and then get that

>Korleone Young that went pro out of high school and never

>amounted to anything. The Walker signing came close on the

>heels of having the Legend in the fold; Young and guys like

>Quentin Richardson were pursued heavily, thinking they'd all

>want to come and play with the Legend. His one and done

>hurt tons in my book. Anyway, Walker's annual stats are

>ppgs of 4.8, 6.0, 6.1 and 3.2. Now, he is fifthon the

>all-time assists list so I guess it wasn't all that bad.

>But again, I guess I expected much more "marquee" headlines

>from a state or metor player of the year than our recruits

>seems to bring in.

>

>Let me put it this way, in two years, H Waldman recorded 295

>assists. TWO YEARS. If he does that for four, he has 590

>total assists which obliterates Josh Fisher's current record

>of 436. Waldman is also ninth in FT%, fifth in three

>pointers made, second in three point %, seventh in threes

>attempted, ninth in total assists, and tied for seventh in

>total steals. All in two years. Granted they were probably

>the best two years in Billiken modern history but so be it.

>Some have argued that if you want to watch pure basketball,

>you watch the women play. I say, you just pop in old tapes

>of the game according to H.

>

>Only the fact tht skip beat me to the punch prevents me from

>listing H's name at the bottom of my posts. Many will say

>that the Legend was the greatest Billiken player. Frankly,

>i'll take H any day including over the Legend. H was a blur

>and H was content in the half court.

>

>I tire of the excuses for guys like DP and JJ. But that's

>just me.

I see, your problem is with the player of the year distinction. On a team with Polk, Meyer, Lisch, Liddell, and Price, Polk was not the best player. It doesnt go on who is the best division 1 prospect, the award goes to a guy that had a great individual season or the top players on a team that had a good season. The 2003 player of the year Ken Burke never played beyond division II while Matt Lawrence who never made 1st team, signed with a Big 12 school. Leon Powell was 2nd team when his Vashon team lost at state and then 3rd team when his team won state. The All-Metro teams are set as a barometer of who some of the more talented guys in the area are, and the POY winner is not necessarily the best player in the area. Also you talk about recruiting kids who are going to be backups. Polk, Lisch, Liddell, and Meyer are all wings, who were on the 2004 All-Metro team. One of them had to come off the bench. At first it was Meyer, now its Polk, big deal. 4 of the team's top 5 players are bums. We have a player from a talent hotbed in Indiana. We call him JJ. How good has he been for us. Continue to recruit the area, and I dont mean just Vashon kids and SLU will be fine. Also, I consider Jimmy McKinney a success story. 4 years starter at a Big 12 school who played on a tournament team during his career while finishing his career as a double figure scorer and on the top 10 list in school history in a few categories.

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Do you have any idea what you said?

4 of the teams first 5 players are bums ... who exactly are the bums.

What categories is Jimmy Mac in the top 10 of Mizzou history?

You want to be a writer for a living?

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[VTIME]

> Do you have any idea what you said?

>

> 4 of the teams first 5 players are bums ... who exactly are

>the bums.

>

> What categories is Jimmy Mac in the top 10 of Mizzou

>history?

>

> You want to be a writer for a living?

>

>

> Official Billikens.com sponsor of H.

>Waldman and loyal subject of Billsboy and all ex D1 players

>and coaches everywhere. You da man Billsboy

I meant to say alums instead of bums. i dont know where I got mixed up. I think JMac finished top 10 in steals or assists or maybe both. During his senior season they kept mentioning how he was the 1st or second player to have like 1,000 pts 4-500 rebs 300 asts 100 stls. Something like that. He had a successful career. Not to mention he was academic all-conference multiple times. He's got nothing to be ashamed of.

[GOSLU68]

in a slu uniform and the locals would remember him and his stats and his grades better if he had gone to slu. What was he thinking? Go to a school with a history of questionable ethics, non existent academic prowess, and poor loyalty to the players on the bench or get to be a media darling and star in St, Louis where he grew up. He would have been a role model for Vashon

just like Bonner if he stayed home and played. And Vtime, he was offered.

[p diddy]

and he had actually gave a commitment to lorenzo, but due to circumstances, he wound up in columbia.

bad boyz for life

[billiken_roy]

wow! that is the first time i have ever heard that.

i would love to hear the details of "due to circumstances".

[Taj79]

... and those are well-documented. I admit that. I shuld probably do a comparison of the Chicago are POY or the Memphis area POY or something like that just to get perspective. I need to motivate.

However, even chaning your sentence to read "alums" from "bums," four of the five alums of that team then must mean four of the five are Billikens. Umm, err, check your dictionary journalistic-one, because last time I checked, alum, short for alumnus, means a male GRADUATE of an institution of higher education. Current Billikens cannot be alums and vice-a-versa. Alumnae are female graduates, but grads just the same.

Again, on the McKinney thing, we will agree to disagree. McKinney's career was mediocre at best. Sending kids to college to produce mediocre results is not my idea of a powerhouse. Dematha. Oak Hill. Compton. Westinghouse. Manuel. Bloomington North. Some of those names are more likely. Vashon .. great in its own talent-challenged state but not much more. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Where I have a personal problem then is how does one endorse recruting St. Louis almost exclusively and drawing lines to that lineup being able to compete if the local talent is, according to the gurus selections, weak at best? What Vee hs said is that the POY is an award given to the kid that has the best year, right? If that's so, wouldn't it be a valid argument to say that St. Louis POYs are one year flashes-in-the-pan at best? If that is indeed the case, and your $90K a year salary depended on that, would you go after them exclusively because even if you do, you may have recruitied them at a level that you will never see again? Big risk?

[bauman]

VTIME, just a helpful suggestion from the "spelling patrol police." I would have let it pass except for Skip's reference to you wanting to be a writer. See your posts 37 & 46-you want a team to play "loose" NOT "lose"-if they play "loose" then maybe they will not "lose."

Just a helpful comment for a college student who wants to be a writer.

[slufanskip]

So we went from a few caregories to maybe steals or assists ... maybe both. Why do you present stuff as fact when in fact ... it's just an unsubstantiated guess ... or an opinion based upon someone else's opinion you read on line.

I didn't say he had anything to be ashamed of ... you presented info as fact which wasn't. In the long history of Mizzou ... I doubt he is 1st or second in any category or grouping of categories. I like Jimmy Mac. Just don't make his career out to be something it wasn't.

based upon your misrepresentation of facts ... are you going to claim to be an ex D1 player and/or coach.

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[slufanskip]

I'll trade you H (no period, see even used car salesman can learn the easy stuff) but you have to commit to writing something positive and new about Coach Soderberg every day for 1 year, while refraining from all negative UB comments for the entire year. You can't repeat things either, each positive comment must be original.

It's a hard bargain ... but H is worth it.

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[VTIME]

>... and those are well-documented. I admit that. I shuld

>probably do a comparison of the Chicago are POY or the

>Memphis area POY or something like that just to get

>perspective. I need to motivate.

>

>However, even chaning your sentence to read "alums" from

>"bums," four of the five alums of that team then must mean

>four of the five are Billikens. Umm, err, check your

>dictionary journalistic-one, because last time I checked,

>alum, short for alumnus, means a male GRADUATE of an

>institution of higher education. Current Billikens cannot

>be alums and vice-a-versa. Alumnae are female graduates,

>but grads just the same.

>

>Again, on the McKinney thing, we will agree to disagree.

>McKinney's career was mediocre at best. Sending kids to

>college to produce mediocre results is not my idea of a

>powerhouse. Dematha. Oak Hill. Compton. Westinghouse.

>Manuel. Bloomington North. Some of those names are more

>likely. Vashon .. great in its own talent-challenged state

>but not much more. Not that there's anything wrong with

>that.

>

>Where I have a personal problem then is how does one endorse

>recruting St. Louis almost exclusively and drawing lines to

>that lineup being able to compete if the local talent is,

>according to the gurus selections, weak at best? What Vee

>hs said is that the POY is an award given to the kid that

>has the best year, right? If that's so, wouldn't it be a

>valid argument to say that St. Louis POYs are one year

>flashes-in-the-pan at best? If that is indeed the case, and

>your $90K a year salary depended on that, would you go after

>them exclusively because even if you do, you may have

>recruitied them at a level that you will never see again?

>Big risk?

Meyer, Polk, Lisch and Liddell are all alums of our metro area. Your just arguing for the sake of argument.

[Taj79]

... while it is a lucrative offer, I cannot accept it. While I am not in the Ban Brad Camp, I am in agreement with Nark that this is a fishor cout bait year in my estimation. Therefore, I intends to call them as I see them and if that means using negative comments, I am afrraid I will have to. I think they will be slight however .... not being there in person will restrict some of the things I can say. Also, it works on the flip side .... can't say something nice because it'll be invented. No sincerity in that either.

I am content to endorse "Special K" .... Kelvin was not only a tireless player but a great guy as well. Although I think he was hitting on my girlfriend of the time.