NH Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 (Updated thru 3/10/10 games) Can we make a list of the Underdogs that win the conference tournament, thereby eliminating an at-large in a few cases and a NIT bid in all cases. Atlantic Sun- Automatic NCAA Bid: ETSU Automatic NIT bid: Lipscomb Big Sky- Automatic NCAA Bid: Montana Automatic NIT bid: Weber State Big South- Automatic NCAA Bid: Winthrop Automatic NIT bid: Coastal Carolina Colonial- Automatic NCAA Bid: Old Dominion Automatic NIT bid: N/A Ivy League- Automatic NCAA Bid: Cornell Automatic NIT bid: N/A Horizon: Auto NCAA Bid: Butler Auto NIT: N/A MAAC- Automatic NCAA Bid: Siena Automatic NIT bid: N/A Missouri Valley- Automatic NCAA Bid: Northern Iowa Automatic NIT bid: N/A NEC: Auto NCAA Bid: Robert Morris Auto NIT: Quinnipiac Ohio Valley- Automatic NCAA Bid: Murray State Automatic NIT bid: N/A WCC Auto NCAA Bid: Saint Mary's Auto NIT: Likely none SoCon: Auto NCAA Bid: Wofford Auto NIT: N/A Summit: Auto NCAA Bid:Oakland Auto NIT: N/A Sun-Belt: Auto NCAA Bid: North Texas Auto NIT: Troy Summary: 6 NIT bids taken* because of Stony Brook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Great thread....Go ZAGS!!! Go Wofford!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Can we make a list of the Underdogs that win the conference tournament, thereby eliminating an at-large in a few cases and a NIT bid in all cases. Atlantic Sun- Automatic NCAA Bid: ETSU Automatic NIT bid: Libscomb Big South- Automatic NCAA Bid: Winthrop Automatic NIT bid: Coastal Carolina Colonial- Automatic NCAA Bid: Old Dominion Automatic NIT bid: N/A Ivy League- Automatic NCAA Bid: Cornell Automatic NIT bid: N/A MAAC- Automatic NCAA Bid: Siena Automatic NIT bid: N/A Missouri Valley- Automatic NCAA Bid: Northern Iowa Automatic NIT bid: N/A Ohio Valley- Automatic NCAA Bid: Murray State Automatic NIT bid: N/A MCC Auto NCAA Bid: Saint Mary's Auto NIT: None (Gonzaga is in the dance) Do we consider this an NIT spot gained? CAA Auto NCAA Bid: Old Dominion Auto NIT: N/A MAAC: Auto NCAA Bid: Siena Auto NIT: N/A SoCon: Auto NCAA Bid: Wofford Auto NIT: N/A Summary: 2 NIT bids taken; maybe 1 gained due to SMC win over the zags If ever there was a year to make a push into the tourney out of nowhere, this may be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Can we make a list of the Underdogs that win the conference tournament, thereby eliminating an at-large in a few cases and a NIT bid in all cases. America East- Automatic NCAA Bid: To be determined Automatic NIT bid: Stony Brook Atlantic Sun- Automatic NCAA Bid: ETSU Automatic NIT bid: Lipscomb Big South- Automatic NCAA Bid: Winthrop Automatic NIT bid: Coastal Carolina Colonial- Automatic NCAA Bid: Old Dominion Automatic NIT bid: N/A Ivy League- Automatic NCAA Bid: Cornell Automatic NIT bid: N/A MAAC- Automatic NCAA Bid: Siena Automatic NIT bid: N/A Missouri Valley- Automatic NCAA Bid: Northern Iowa Automatic NIT bid: N/A Ohio Valley- Automatic NCAA Bid: Murray State Automatic NIT bid: N/A WCC Auto NCAA Bid: Saint Mary's Auto NIT: None (Gonzaga is in the dance) Do we consider this an NIT spot gained? My answer here is no because Zags and SMC were likely both in NCAA anyway. But it is true that an NIT automatic bid (to the Zags) will not be used, so another NIT at large will not be lost. CAA Auto NCAA Bid: Old Dominion Auto NIT: N/A MAAC: Auto NCAA Bid: Siena Auto NIT: N/A SoCon: Auto NCAA Bid: Wofford Auto NIT: N/A Summary: 3 NIT bids taken; maybe 1 gained due to SMC win over the zags I added Stony Brook of the America East to NIT Automatic Bids. So far there are 3 of those. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted March 9, 2010 Author Share Posted March 9, 2010 Instead of everyone posting new pages, if people just post updates I can add them to the original post, I think that makes sense. And St. Mary's winning does not gain an NIT spot, since it just pushes a team out of the dance and into the NIT. Also, I won't add Stony Brook until they complete their conference tournament, otherwise we would have to add every regular season champion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SluSignGuy Posted March 9, 2010 Share Posted March 9, 2010 Thanks to whoever pinned this. To clean up the top. I am going to temporarily take down the free tickets thread (I will put it back up if SLU hosts another game) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b.hayes Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Does sunbelt get a bid for Troy if they lose to north texas (like they are right now)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Does sunbelt get a bid for Troy if they lose to north texas (like they are right now)? Very regrettably, yes. There are now 4 automatic NIT bids: Troy, Coastal Carolina, Stony Brook, and the People's Choice, Lipscomb. Troy was a #1 seed in a 3 way tiebreaker, and Lipscomb was a #1 seed in a 4 way tiebreaker. This List of the new Big 4 shows that this NIT rule needs to be scrapped, assuming the NIT even continues to exist if the NCAA goes to 96 teams. The NIT at large field is down to 28 and counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 10, 2010 Share Posted March 10, 2010 Instead of everyone posting new pages, if people just post updates I can add them to the original post, I think that makes sense. And St. Mary's winning does not gain an NIT spot, since it just pushes a team out of the dance and into the NIT. Also, I won't add Stony Brook until they complete their conference tournament, otherwise we would have to add every regular season champion. Stony Brook, a regular season conference champ, was eliminated in its conference tournament. That's when it was "rewarded" with an automatic NIT bid. So Stony Brook is in the NIT, even if the winner of its conference (America East) tournament has not yet been decided for the NCAA automatic bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Weber State just punched an NIT bid by losing....6 NIT bids gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 Stony Brook, a regular season conference champ, was eliminated in its conference tournament. That's when it was "rewarded" with an automatic NIT bid. So Stony Brook is in the NIT, even if the winner of its conference (America East) tournament has not yet been decided for the NCAA automatic bid.I'll add it when their conference tournament is over, it is just easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 I'll add it when their conference tournament is over, it is just easier.updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Weber State just punched an NIT bid by losing....6 NIT bids gone Make that 7- Jackson State went down in the SWAC. So the Sock Hop tonight says hello to Quinnipiac, Weber State, and Jackson State. This NIT rule is why I hate to see Coach Majerus preemptively taking SLU out of the CBI and CIT. The NIT may well be fading away for SLU thanks to this plethora of debacles in these lower conference tournaments. The NIT could well have a quarter of its teams from these lower conferences- right now it is 7 out of 32 bids and counting. It is more and more looking like win the A-10 Tournament or bust and wait until next year. That is the cold, hard fact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NH Posted March 11, 2010 Author Share Posted March 11, 2010 Make that 7- Jackson State went down in the SWAC. So the Sock Hop tonight says hello to Quinnipiac, Weber State, and Jackson State. This NIT rule is why I hate to see Coach Majerus preemptively taking SLU out of the CBI and CIT. The NIT may well be fading away for SLU thanks to this plethora of debacles in these lower conference tournaments. The NIT could well have a quarter of its teams from these lower conferences- right now it is 7 out of 32 bids and counting. It is more and more looking like win the A-10 Tournament or bust and wait until next year. That is the cold, hard fact. I disagree. If we beat Rhode Island we are in the NIT for sure. I guarantee it. Even with a loss I think we get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 I disagree. If we beat Rhode Island we are in the NIT for sure. I guarantee it. Even with a loss I think we get it. I hope so. Beating URI should help SLU's RPI somewhat. Hopefully, the NIT College of Retired Coaches will hold SLU in higher esteem than Charlotte at this point in the season and not just take the easy way out there. Winning 2 A-10 games, meaning beating Temple, has to get SLU at minimum in the NIT, shouldn't it? I do know that the new NIT has closely followed the RPI, albeit with a few exceptions, but not many. This NIT rule is just terrible. I fail to see how teams with RPI's over 190 should be rewarded with post-season tournament play, even teams with RPI's over 125. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 This NIT rule is just terrible. I fail to see how teams with RPI's over 190 should be rewarded with post-season tournament play, even teams with RPI's over 125. Just come right out and say it....you are referring to a certain school that rhymes with Pipscomb I shudder to think about all of the Big East teams that are going to get invited: 1. Seton Hall 2. Cincinnati 3. South Florida 4.. UConn (hopefully they decline) 5. St. Johns (maybe)...RPI 72 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 11, 2010 Share Posted March 11, 2010 Just come right out and say it....you are referring to a certain school that rhymes with Pipscomb I shudder to think about all of the Big East teams that are going to get invited: 1. Seton Hall 2. Cincinnati 3. South Florida 4.. UConn (hopefully they decline) 5. St. Johns (maybe)...RPI 72 Jackson State too. This NIT will be the Big East also-rans v. the lower conference D-1 masqueraders, a basketball train wreck in the making. Get ready for Quinnipiac at UConn in a battle for State supremacy, which can be decided once and for all on the hardwood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billikenbill Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Lipscomb had to give way to conference member Jacksonville d/t an Atlantic Sun conference rule. The rule is that the NIT bid is given to the tying team that advances further in their conference tourney. Just because Lipscomb won the seeding tiebreaker didn't mean they get the auto into the NIT. Jacksonville advanced further in their conference tourney so they get the ASun NIT bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bay Area Billiken Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Lipscomb had to give way to conference member Jacksonville d/t an Atlantic Sun conference rule. The rule is that the NIT bid is given to the tying team that advances further in their conference tourney. Just because Lipscomb won the seeding tiebreaker didn't mean they get the auto into the NIT. Jacksonville advanced further in their conference tourney so they get the ASun NIT bid. You are correct. Net result is the same- Jacksonville replaces Lipscomb on our list. 8th potential NIT automatic bid went to Kent State today, although Kent State is potentially still on the bubble for an at large NCAA. NCAA is doubtful IMO. NIT is probably down to 24 at large bids and counting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duff Man Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Getting squeezed out of the NIT should be the least of our concerns right now... We've got a fighting chance of winning the Powerball jackpot, and you're focused on Pick 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bizziken Posted March 12, 2010 Share Posted March 12, 2010 Those damn Jacksonville Dolphins.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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